Singles Spar tournament
 

I only log on once in a blue moon but considering the time it's been why is this still not a thing?

I fail to believe to the dev guys can't script a system to accommodate this. How is it that the 64 man UTC's that brought the best sparrers from all around to compete isn't feasible? Playerbase much higher? Ok, have a preliminary qualifier. 1v1 sparring now is stagnant and weak on iclassic. Give players a reason to spar again.

While I personally like the idea, I do like the concept of sparring on a 1v1 base and maybe I'm bias because I personally favor 1v1 instead of a 5v5 because I don't work well with people I'm not familiar with. And while I'd enjoy a 1v1 tournament, I just kinda don't think it is needed... I mean... how would those 64 people be selected?... it wouldn't be logical for leader board because well... it is a leader board of 50, and the 1st place probably fought the rest and knows how to beat them... While I like the idea, I don't exactly think graal is built (Yet?) For such to be a thing.

Stating the blatantly obvious, but the leaderboards would determine who qualifies for the tournament (just like gs points-GST.)

Why isn’t it needed? Single sparring is dead right now and a SST is possibly the only way to revive active sparring, thus making it necessary imo. Not to mention that it would be fun

I know, It would be fun, I'd love such, But leaderboards only go to 50... not 64, plus as I said before, it would be extremely likely the 1st place in seasonal spar will likely place 1st, they got more experience through the time, and also they probably fought everyone else enough to know how to beat them.. I mean, believe me I love the idea, But I think graal would need to be fixed in many areas to even have such possible

A) The GST used to be comprised of 64 teams...
B) Ive sparred 10x this season and am ranked 1500 (hint: just because the leaderboard only displays the top 50 it doesn't mean the rest isn't recorded)

Quit posting here

*spits out drink*

They wouldn't be top in sparrers if they are behind 50, even if 51 is only 1 spar behind 50. If you want a Single Spar tournament, You need to have the best of the best sparring otherwise there would be a lot of noobs going in. So that way only the most qualified people are in the tournament. Even though it is recorded it still would likely bring up issues. In other areas as well like when would this be hosted? If it is hosted same time as GST, then it can interfere with who can participate in GST. Because even if it was before or after, it can cause problems as well.

I mean think about it, If you hosted a SST same time as a GST, then you run the problem of some people who wanted someone in their GST can't because they're in a SST, and if you done it back to back you run into issues with players themselves. Not everyone can spar for a long period of time. And not everyone has hours to do nothing but spar all day, and if we done it a day before or after then we still can run into issues because usually the GST is hosted on a Saturday, Why? Because it's the best time. People don't usually got school, Or the possible religious things like Christianity and going to a church and so on.

Like I said, There is a lot of issues with a SST. Like who qualifies, Scoreboard. Time it takes, Are admins going to be available to watch, not only that but the probability that people who participate in SST probably want their own rewards, like in GST with mystery gift, A SST spar room, and lots more things.

Like I said, I would love to see a SST take place in Classic, But same time so many arrangements would need to be changed and met to make such possible. We may see such in the far future, but in near future I just don't see such being implemented or even being able to smoothly be implemented.

Just saying, When you spar more than everyone else and given the fact more spars= more experience. Which = more knowledgeable information on how people spar on a single hand basis probably yeah makes it pretty likely the 1st place holder probably sparred the rest enough to have a firm grasp of what they are going up against.

activity =/= skill

kaios would win and his friends would take 2nd and 3rd

Mind telling me how he would win when kaios doesn't even play anymore? He told me and others on kik

yes, devs are capable, but they never proposed to make one and they have other plans to execute first. so i don't see it happening anytime soon, if not at all.

Nah, maybe not in this state since I quit but I could surely beat you.

Don't worry he's a troll probably still upset over never beating me in the past. I'll stop posting here now wouldn't want smhegg banning me for being nice.

Savage

The singles leaderboard shows activity more than anything. You can be absolute trash but if you spar a lot you can get to the top.

This has been suggested countless time before... if it has not yet happened then there must be reasons for it that make them unable to do such a tourney. This game is honestly dying and I think they need a new angle to revive it as it’s already been relying on the spar community to keep it interesting for far too long but that may just be my opinion.

There are many reasons why the single spar tournament won't take place such as:

• There are other priorities in the developers perspective view like events, hat shop updates, NGS (Probably won't be released anywhere in 2018) Etc.
• The GP team is going to be needed to host such event that is similar to the GST. I think the GP team itself has other priorities too, specially when they of lack staff members in the team. However, if the single spar tournament is going to take place every 3 month like the GST then it shouldn't really effect the GP team.
• If they do make a single spar tournament, you're going to have people asking for a bug catching tournament, you're going to have people asking for a loot catching tournament, you're going to have people asking for a BK tournament etc. So it will be kinda unfair, not mentioning what would the towering community do if such an update take place lol.

not really
would be literally impossible for a negative sparrer to reach #1 unless they sparred an inhumane amount of hours for 90 days straight

it should be heavily reflective of activity anyway
worth noting that the original pitch of this leaderboard included losing points for losses, but the community is too soft and fickle for that

Dark everyone in the battle arena knows you have sideroomed your entire stats
even idiots like Saber Alumba knows it

Man Rusix talking about #1 would most likely won as if Kaios would’ve won had there been an SST last season ._.

Rusix was the best sparrer from 2010, I think he knows what he's talking about buddy

You animal

I wasn't even around in 2010, Wish I was. But I wasn't really the best sparrer either, being 2012 to now. Offensive players always give me more struggle than defensive ones.

Not particularly Kaios, referring more to this season being Alexx, although I think Kaios could do fairly ok in a SST. And nothing against Kaios but he doesn't seem to do well against a large diversity of people. Alexx on other hand does have a good diversity in what he can be capable of when dealing with sparrers on a 1v1 term

Lol 90% of the community thinks you have some mentally related problems even though you don’t. I don’t think you can call anyone an idiot

What the hell? After what you just said everyone can call you an idiot lol

Id come back to classic for a 5v5 Ctf tournament hosted every year x.x ive always loved ctf on graal on any server just wish it wasnt a event and actually an activity for gangs to face each other in plus its more fun then gang spar lol

good addition to a thread about implementing a monthly SST

There's enough room for them both in that category

This isn't the Star-Spangled Tournament?

You are an idiot

The room must be big because your mom is here too

you're onto something

It is horrible that I always have to clean up the verbal mess caused by those embittered, pseudo-selfironic OGs who think they're floating in higher spheres. That was not my intention when I registered for those forums and frankly I'll have to retire my account if there is no light at the end of the tunnel very soon. I will try to put two major points into a very simple scheme.

1)
A method to figure out a 'best' sparrer does not exist.
Reason: The quality of a player is represented by a mixture of performance and result. A spar win cannot be respected if it is achieved in a spar that falls below a certain quality. The quality of a spar depends on factors such as lag, delay, the players' shape, the way they spar and more. Every player has a different interpretation of which factors out of those that I listed are valid. (The same argumentation, expanded by several more factors, obviously counts for the GST too.)

2)
Events of that nature are meaningless in general.
Reason: Events like the GST (and the hypothetical SST) are being introduced to Graal to make players keep track to it. You need to understand that it is not the case, like many seem to believe, that events of that nature are the only thing that keeps Graal worth playing. In reality, it is the opposite. Remind yourselves that Spar is nothing more than a 'PK game', a special situation with - in theory - two players fighting each other under exact same circumstances. The spirit of fighting, the thought of training hard to become the player who is MOST LIKELY to win ANY spar, that is the fuel for every true sparrer. Everybody who cries for events and rewards is a wannabe-analyst who does not understand how valuable the institution 'Spar' is.

That is just the status quo, not even an accusation. I want to help all of you who represent this kind of belief and make you understand that prize-based events like that do not only not make Graal better, they make it worse.

Conclusion:
Spar is the essence of Graal and holy because it is a pure 1vs1 situation. Graal having an official 'best sparrer' would ruin everything because EVERY win in any spar from that point would be referred and compared to that player.

Quit being so worried about losing this tournament and people not thinking of you as the best sparrer, most people already don’t.

I can assure you, I'm certain that I'm in a higher sphere, I don't just simply think so.

DaYUMMMMM

Who are you to talk, what kind of loser brags about winning 3rd
Shut your mouth and dont post anymore

Better a 3rd placement than struggling to place every season with a team of vpn gods

spar community is scary

Why do you need a tourney to determine the best sparrer? There's already a perfectly good leaderboard system in place for that.

The leader board just represents the most active sparer on the game, even if there was a single spar tournament I wouldn't say the winner will be 'the best sparer'. I'm pretty sure you wont have the same winner for all the tournaments (If it happened regularly). It would be nice to have such a tournament but I guess staff members has other priorities to do for the mean time.

Would be fun, don't think anyone is the 'best' right now, probably wouldn't see anyone win more than once or twice consecutively. Don't see it happening any time soon, even though it wouldn't take too much effort at all. 2-3 hours once a month or every 3 month's should be beyond feasible.

I'd have to agree but also disagree, The leaderboard does show the most active sparrer, however in the same way it also shows they are likely the best at that given season.

The reason I say this is because simply they gained the most experience, they are the most sharp knife in the drawer. If you fought against a strong sparrer every day, you'll probably get better after a while, you will progress a bit if you are truly willing to accept a challenge and its outcome even if you lose.

But same time experience only can go so far. The General person themself can play a a role in just how they think and how they are able to deal with different situations and different kinds of sparrers.

It's kind of like if Sparrer A could beat Sparrer B with a pretty high chance, But Sparrer B can beat Sparrer C with a high chance, but Sparrer C can beat Sparrer A with a high chance.

So who is "Better" Sparrer A, or B, Or C?

Let me give a tangible example as to why that logic is flawed.

Thallen or Sarah. They've barely, if at all, sparred this season. Nowhere to be found on the leaderboard. You're telling me that someone like "predador luo" (rank 9 seasonal) is likely to beat them.

Experience, especially within one season alone, will never play that large of a factor relative to the intangible "skill" someone has at the game.

Rusix how did u manage to live without graalians for last 5 years? were u in AllGraal with Antago?

If they aren't the best then explain how they get the gold trophy????

Okay let's say the best sparer didn't play enough this season to get himself in the leaderboard, does that make the #1 player in the leaderbaord better than him because he is more active? The gold trophy means they done the best this season. Just because no one else bothered to spar or was busy in other factors of the game or maybe even inactive, this doesn't mean they are worse than the people ranked in the leader board.

No, As I said, The quality of experience also matters.
Thallen and Sarah have a higher amount of quality experience, They go to take that leap to spar people who can be a challenge, And not worry about spar score as. Priority. And also as I said the person itself.

If a SST happened right now I'd be willing to bet Alexx would win.because he not only is the most experienced this season but also has higher quality experience.

And if your asking what I mean by quality, Just think of it like this.

Who is going to be better.

Someone who sparred at Balamb 10K times versus someone who sparred in arena 1000 times? One clearly has the better quality experience.

I just didn't have much want to join the forum. People in game filled my time

You can't just retract the statement from leaderboards to argue from marginal cases like that lmao. You said that the leaderboards alone are a good indicator of who would win. Thal and Sarah aren't there. Therefore, in your model, they wouldn't do well vs the people who are on it. Alexx has a good chance in it as well, not because of his activity this season, but because he's just good at spar. Those are mutually exclusive.

Nah but for my money, man, I'm taking the guy with the trophy.

I didn't retract my statement, I just don't think you fully understand my statement.

For one, As I said. Quality of experience, Amount of experience, And the general person in their capabilities depend on how good they are. That's why the 1st place participant in a spar season is likely to win.

Because
1.) They have obtained more experience in general.
2.) Most likely, unless they side roomed to 1# which is extremely unlikely due to the fact it would take longer, They also would have better quality of experience.
3.) Given the fact they are 1#, Shows that they have particularly a more desire to spar than others. And given that they try so hard shows they are more than likely capable of being more strategic to meet their goals.

Yes I know this wouldn't always be the case. I'm not saying 1# place wins 100%, But would without a doubt be more likely than others by a good margin. Especially when people like Alexx literally has almost twice the season wins than Gabriel. Who is 2#.would we really expect Alexx to lose? If not atleast make it to 2#?


As I said, Quality of experience, Amount of experience, And the general person add up to how good you can be. And usually the 1st place holder has a good bit of all these traits.

Take last season then as another example.

Kaios at the top of the leaderboards. Throw in Thallen, Sarah, Alexx, Dante, Exalt, Pt, Zid, Brett, myself, etc. (many of which were not that high on the leaderboards, or on them at all)

Kaios is not favored in any way, shape, or form to win that tournament, and no sane person would argue otherwise. Clear example of why that's a faulty way of thinking about it.

Not even sure if you're just trolling now since you're just repeating things you've said instead of actually respond to the examples but I'll bite anyway.

It was his trophy. He was-number one!