Supreme Being Paradox
 

“Can god create a rock that he can’t lift?”

A simple question but without an answer.

This question challenges the existence of God. How?

Well, if God can indeed do everything then surely he must be able to create a rock that he cannot lift. If he can create a rock he can’t lift then he can’t do everything (because he wouldn’t be able to lift the rock) and then the idea of a superior being is shattered.

What are your thoughts on this, or do you have a potential solution to this paradox?

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Why make rocks when you can create humans and force them to worship you?

God doesn't exist anyways.
There's no need to disprove anything when the existence of a god can't be proven in the first place

Can't God just use his God powers to magically make it lift-able or something?

this proves that god can fulfill every condition

he can do everything and nothing at the same time

Nice try, atheists, but it’s already been well-established that Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson is God. Riddle solved.

There's many religions that don't believe in a christian idea of a god but do believe in a metaphysical being whether it be the universe or a god-like figure so they wouldn't apply to this paradox.

that's a great outlook on life. Can't prove it? Doesn't exist! That actually goes against what science believes, just so you know. Funny that you ironically say definitively that God doesn't exist but then say proof is required to make a statement on something's existence.

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great post.

What a surprise to see PigParty come in and act like a special snowflake because he gets triggered when people talk down about a religion lol

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Goodluck observing God and experimenting with it.

Also I say proof is required to know of somethings existence because that's a fact.
Sure you can make theories but those are just ideas based on information we know thus far and can't be taken as proof or fact as they're just things to temporarily fill in a void about something we don't know yet.
This is not the case for religion though as there's 0 evidence to support the theory that there might be a god or anything like it whatsoever.


If you're really trying to make people believe that a story someone made up so many years ago counts as proof or facts in any way just because people were stupid enough to "believe it" and use it to gain power over everyone else then I feel kind of sorry for you
But hey you can believe whatever you want, just like people can post whatever they want

If you ever find proof or evidence then please share it and enlighten us though lmao

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Snowflake? Coming from the guy that's clearly triggered himself by my argument. I have no problem with people arguing against religion. I just don't like people who think they can say a god doesn't exist simply because they don't know. Thanks for the definition of science, but it doesn't help you. They experiment. They don't make definitive statements on what they do not know, unlike what you did. I simply pointed out that your statement was flawed from the start because of your hypocrisy. You can't say that a god exists, nor can you say that one does not exist - at least, not without being hypocritical anyways. Sorry if you can't have a discussion without getting upset. Don't put your beliefs out there if you're unwilling to have them challenged.

Except that's not a fact. Proof is required to say something exists, yes, but lack of proof does not allow you to say that something does not exist. Common sense, and science, will tell you that.

It's impossible to argue with someone who cherry picks what they deem as evidence. There's plenty of evidence - not empircal - but evidence nonetheless that supports the idea of metaphysical beings. There's books from witnesses to events they describe from many religions. That doesn't prove anything, but it most definitely creates a basis for the not-so-far-fetched idea of there being a metaphysical being greater than humans.

You can't say that there are no living organisms on Earth that aren't known to mankind simply because they aren't yet discovered. Just as you cannot say that there is no god just because you don't have proof. Argue against a religion all you want, but please, be intelligent with your argument, otherwise I can easily argue against your incorrect statement as I just now did. But please, continue to defer to calling me a triggered snowflake when you don't have a good response.

I thought you were trying to insult me at first and then I read what you quoted lol. I was gonna +rep but gotta spread.

The triggered snowflake comment refers to the fact you always try to defend religion whenever it is brought up anywhere.
The reason I say god doesn't exist is because no proof or evidence that actually points to the existence of a god even though we know so much about existence already.
To me it's kind of the same as believing in santa your whole life even if nothing even points to it's existence whatsoever other than people acting like he's real when you're young.

Sure you're right, I can't claim god doesn't exist 100% but I feel comfortable doing so either way.
Yes, that is considered hypocrisy but I see it as justified due to the other points I've made.

Yeah like I said, there's no proof.
People thinking they saw something and claiming things without there being any form of actual proof says enough.

Actual living creatures are a lot different from believing in a mythical higher being that might have the power to do everything and decided to enlighten or help humans in some way though.
We know there's a high possibility of undiscovered things on our own planet because we have actual theories which are supported by facts.

People can do whatever they want with their lives, I just think it's stupid/stupidity to believe in stuff like this to the point where one is willing to devote their lifes to it and follow certain rules just because some other human made all of this stuff up with anything proper to back it up.
There's tons of things we don't know yet but if you actually think a god that humans made up exists then I feel sorry for those people in that regard

This shall be the end of my "triggered" responses as 5hift calls it :P

Ok, but I can't really argue against you saying you're contradicting yourself but are okay with that. Also I defend religion because people criticize it. I don't attack people for criticizing it. I provide a defense for it in a discussion/debate. I like debates. I learn from challenging others' opinions and them challenging mine. If anything, I think it makes me less of a snowflake since I'm actually wanting to get down and dirty and challenge ideas - both mine and others. I don't need a safe space. Name-calling is always a good cue that someone doesn't have a good argument to make.


How do you think history works? People wrote about what they saw and experienced, and much of our knowledge of history comes from letters, books, and other writings from historical figures and those around them. Backed sometimes by artifacts from back in the day such - which I would like to note we have historical artifacts of things from the Bible. You can give whatever merit you want to writings in religious books, but to say that writings from history have no credibility is to dismiss all of history.


What's stupid about trying to better yourself? That's ultimately what religion is; a prescription for how to live a better life and to be benevolent towards others. We follow the American Constitution and have based the entire country off of it. People honor those rules made up by humans. People die for those rules made up by humans.

Also, I don't think it's a far-fetched idea that there's something greater than humans. You really think that we are it? Humankind is the ultimate life in the universe? We are so limited, physically and mentally. And then how did the world or the universe come into existence? Was it always? The idea of a big bang that creates living organisms all of a sudden make sense? What about our souls? Is that something that dies with you? Does that mean it's nothing special and can be recreated with AI, or is it something more, and is why AI can't ever be a true replication of a human? Humans know so little that to only give merit to ideas about what we know seems like such a waste. Even outside of religion, the things that we don't know is what fascinates me the most.

Anyone who wants to see something interesting, look up the double slit experiment on youtube.

you just gotta believe

nothing like arguing the existence of god on a dead forums site for a bad video game

Gross. This is one of those times where math actually becomes useful in real life.
In order to prove or disprove something, one method is by contradiction.
To say some being can create something that cannot be lifted by himself, yet he can lift all things including that which he cannot lift is false by contradiction.

Good thing I paid attention in Discrete math.

...don't think a math course was needed to understand what a paradox is

In terms of if god exist or not, I'm just gonna say this.
Each and every human, Is dumb really, because humans never look into the past and not only do humans in general rarely ever learn from their ancestors mistakes they also forget what happened as well. For instance, What if I told you there was actually many species. Yes species. Not race, Of humans at a point in time? They was called Neanderthals for the most well known ones. Also there is Java man and so on.

When you look back in history, Deep, Deep history. You'll find things humans forgotten. We even forget things in our lifetime even. If a existence of a God was true. We are way too past that time too know about it.and if no Bible was ever made then chances are no human would even know of it today now would we? Saying we could is like saying we would know of the exact details of a conversation word for word one of our parents had with their parents when they was a kid. They probably don't remember word for word and neither could we.

This doesn't make humans dumb. It means we haven't experienced it since we weren't born 80 thousand years ago. You'd be crazy to think that we should sit down and learn every detail about the past without looking into the future.

Also do you know how many people do look into the past? Every history teacher ever who is passionate about their job is one example.

In the end, if humans had forgotten the Bible and other religions, there would be much less wars in history.

If God does exist, and if God is all-powerful
then the unliftable rock can’t exist, regardless of the question

However, it is stated that God can do everything that is possible, and he can’t do the impossible, such as lie
If the unliftable rock were to exist, then it would be infinite in size

Can everything be nothing? Can nothing be everything?

We wouldn't likely have had less war, Not all wars are based on religion and many countries have their own. Plus, North Korea and USA for example. Do either really care about a religious standpoint? No but they getting pretty dang heated where a war is suspected to happen

You're right. I have heard multiple times in my life "religion is the number 1 cause of war." Turns out it's just a myth.

Sources:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766
https://carm.org/religion-cause-war

Don't get me wrong, Religion can play a role in war, But I wouldn't say it was the most major starter, (Maybe the 3rd biggest war starter)We had wars over terrorism (Which yes I'll kinda count as a religious issue because seemingly most terrorist associate killing Americans with a religious reward like I think 60 ******s or something, They don't state which gender so hope they like it in the bum if they didn't get what hey was expecting). But generally speaking not many wars was brought by religion itself. Biggest war probably with a religion aspect in recent history was WW2 ( I say that because Hitler believed Germans was superior and teeecchhnically it was religious due to it's connection to Jews later on when it started, Even though it technically didn't start because of Jews but Hitler blamed Jews so they technically mads it a slightly religion issue) but real cause of it WW2 happened in WW1 being the treaty of Versailles.

However bigger things for wars usually happen before hand, Like North Korea and America with issues between them. Fighting for resources. Preventing spread of communism. Even assassinations caused one of the biggest wars in our time (WW1 with the Archduke ).

But generally speaking Religion plays a role in war time to time, But I'd hardly say it is the biggest culprit. Possibly 2ND to 3rd largest issue. But hardly the main reason

I don't know if this was meant to portray religion as a bad thing, but I know some people would agree with that portrayal so I'd like to say something about that.

There would be fewer wars if everyone was the same race. There would be fewer wars if everyone was the same gender. There would be fewer wars if everyone was of the same social and economic class. There would be fewer wars if everyone came from the same territory/nation. There would be fewer wars if everyone was exactly the same. People war over religion because it's what differentiates them from another, and to religious people, is likely the most significant difference. The same goes with race and any difference that we can distinguish between groups of people. A great example of how easy it is to pin two groups of people against each other for no reason other than a physical difference is the blue eyes experiment performed by Jane Elliot, an Elementary school teacher. Just because people can't always accept differences between each other doesn't make those differences bad.

Regardless of whether or not it's a good argument, it's a true statement. Just like saying there would be less wars if everyone looked and acted exactly the same -- it's not gonna happen, but the statement is true.

Either way, I researched my own argument and discovered how naïve my comment was.

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