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Aguzo 10-03-2017 04:28 AM
Any thoughts?
 
I deleted the last thread, cause I figured that it was due to using unidentified accounts. Deleted the game, and installed again
A few hours later, I was banned on my main and another identified account

Seems like graal staff can't tell if someone is really using macros/bots to farm
They just assume that you're cheating? Why would you ban people without actually checking?

What's the point of having "Are you still there?" prompt, is it not to avoid the use of bots?
Is it against the rules to use more than 1 account to farm at the same time?

Aguzo 10-03-2017 05:32 AM
Update: I was able to ask why my main was getting banned, before I was IP banned
Most likely by snow noob
https://i.imgur.com/XBm3dzj.png

This is the only image I could find. Can't get on to show you the autofarm I have
https://i.imgur.com/XuP8cFo.gif

Was not able to get on iclassic, so I had to use another example
Imagine spamming the sword button with left hand, and s key with right hand on keyboard


https://i.imgur.com/0qeRQIs.jpg

Vladamir Blackthorne 10-03-2017 06:57 AM
You can make an automatic farming contraption out of conveyor belts and junk?

Aguzo 10-03-2017 07:05 AM
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Posted by Vladamir Blackthorne (Post 797619)
You can make an automatic farming contraption out of conveyor belts and junk?
Yes, I have 3 separate autofarms, each one can rack up 2k gralats per hour. 2000 x 3 = 6000 per hour.
I have 2 in my house, which I wasn't banned last month when I was using it with only 2 accounts.
I added a 3rd one in my guild house today, a few hours before I was banned.
I wanted to see how comfortable it would be to use 3 accounts at the same time by just spamming 2 screens on left, and hitting s key with the right.

Eugeen 10-03-2017 09:50 AM
Seems like they did some quality investigation work to check wether you were macroing or not lmao

Definitely a screw up by them, hope you get your accounts back

4-Lom 10-03-2017 12:22 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 797615)
I deleted the last thread, cause I figured that it was due to using unidentified accounts. Deleted the game, and installed again
A few hours later, I was banned on my main and another identified account
Did you just... publicly declare you're evading a ban?

Bio 10-03-2017 12:27 PM
So they just... assumed then banned you? fantastic graal....

Sir Travis 10-03-2017 01:20 PM
You could always try a ban appeal via toonslab but I don’t think playing multiple accounts for the benifit of one profile is really an intended game feature, basically you have bots feeding you lol

slyde 10-03-2017 02:45 PM
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Posted by Sir Travis (Post 797641)
You could always try a ban appeal via toonslab but I don’t think playing multiple accounts for the benifit of one profile is really an intended game feature, basically you have bots feeding you lol
But, then does that mean having multiple accounts is not allowed? Because that would be considered "bots feeding you" in your term.

Reemas 10-03-2017 03:06 PM
Any thoughts?
 
You're missing the key point here and that is there is no CHEATING allowed.


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Zetectic 10-03-2017 03:29 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797645)
You're missing the key point here and that is there is no CHEATING allowed.


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Lol??

alexx 10-03-2017 03:45 PM
Graal punishes creativity, get with the meta aguzo make a codeshop and afk 24/7!!!

Nice to see admins banning people like aguzo (without any evidence) and still letting people at night boost/speed in spar while reporting them daily

Reemas 10-03-2017 03:46 PM
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Posted by Zetectic (Post 797647)
Lol??
Using more than one account to better yourself is unfair to others. You’re gaining an advantage over other players by other means. Like Travis said, the game isnt meant to be played that way.

Eugeen 10-03-2017 03:46 PM
Quote:
Posted by Reemas (Post 797645)
You're missing the key point here and that is there is no CHEATING allowed.


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There's no cheating involved so what key point is being missed and by who lol

alexx 10-03-2017 03:52 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797649)
Using more than one account to better yourself is unfair to others. You’re gaining an advantage over other players by other means. Like Travis said, the game isnt meant to be played that way.
Agreed, let’s start banning every alt account in spar because they have the advantage of using another account to practice in spar where everyone else uses their main!!!1!

In addition it’s not unfair to others if everyone has access to a second account lol...?

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Posted by Eugeen (Post 797650)
There's no cheating involved so what key point is being missed and by who lol
everyone knows using alt accounts is a form of cheating duh

Reemas 10-03-2017 04:04 PM
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Posted by alexx (Post 797652)
Agreed, let’s start banning every alt account in spar because they have the advantage of using another account to practice in spar where everyone else uses their main!!!1!

In addition it’s not unfair to others if everyone has access to a second account lol...?


everyone knows using alt accounts is a form of cheating duh
In spar, you’re not using three accounts against one player. Entirely different from farming. Stick to one topic.

The choice is yours. Keep using multiple accounts, keep getting banned, keep complaining. If thats how you like to have fun, then keep doing it. Im not stopping you. Play the game how you want.

You ruin the fun for other players. That I dont like. Not everyone knows how to make multiple accounts and its unfair to them. Its unfair to players that choose not to make multiple accounts.

super kurosaki 10-03-2017 04:49 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797655)
In spar, you’re not using three accounts against one player. Entirely different from farming. Stick to one topic.

The choice is yours. Keep using multiple accounts, keep getting banned, keep complaining. If thats how you like to have fun, then keep doing it. Im not stopping you. Play the game how you want.

You ruin the fun for other players. That I dont like. Not everyone knows how to make multiple accounts and its unfair to them. Its unfair to players that choose not to make multiple accounts.
what’s wrong with using multiple accounts to farm??? how does someone’s amount of gralats personally affect anyone else or stop them from “having fun”?? Just cus you’re not able to think innovatively doesn’t mean someone else should get banned for doing so. Also making multiple accounts is extremely simple & there are multiple ways to do so, 1. log out of your verified account & there you have an extra account. 2. if you’re iOS just download the + version as well as the normal version. 3. use different browsers on PC for a new acct. I personally don’t think you, Reemas, should be commenting at all because it seems that you have little to no idea what you’re talking about

SomeGuy 10-03-2017 04:51 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797649)
Using more than one account to better yourself is unfair to others. You’re gaining an advantage over other players by other means. Like Travis said, the game isnt meant to be played that way.


This is not cheating in any way. Yes, it may give him an advantage but it cannot be classed as cheating.

Reemas 10-03-2017 05:13 PM
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Posted by SomeGuy (Post 797663)
This is not cheating in any way. Yes, it may give him an advantage but it cannot be classed as cheating.
Boy am I glad you’re not an admin. You’d be using that excuse to not ban anyone at all.

Thallen 10-03-2017 05:17 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797645)
You're missing the key point here and that is there is no CHEATING allowed.


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former GP btw haHAA

Reemas 10-03-2017 05:19 PM
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Posted by super kurosaki (Post 797662)
what’s wrong with using multiple accounts to farm??? how does someone’s amount of gralats personally affect anyone else or stop them from “having fun”?? Just cus you’re not able to think innovatively doesn’t mean someone else should get banned for doing so. Also making multiple accounts is extremely simple & there are multiple ways to do so, 1. log out of your verified account & there you have an extra account. 2. if you’re iOS just download the + version as well as the normal version. 3. use different browsers on PC for a new acct. I personally don’t think you, Reemas, should be commenting at all because it seems that you have little to no idea what you’re talking about
Nothing wrong with having multiple accounts. Just dont use them to cheat.

Btw, thanks for the tutorial on how to make multiple accounts. Thats info I already know and choose not to use. No reason to even state that here. Make a youtube vid on that.

Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 797666)
former GP btw haHAA
Thallen, still is and remains a crybaby.

Pokki 10-03-2017 05:46 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797668)
Nothing wrong with having multiple accounts. Just dont use them to cheat.
if there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts then how the heck is he cheating? he is simply using multiple accounts (which you said you have no problem with doing) to be more effective and efficient when he farms. he is not bypassing any conduct of the game to give other players disadvantages or even give himself an advantage. he is simply being clever and smart with his thinking.

Eugeen 10-03-2017 05:47 PM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 797666)
former GP btw haHAA
Reminds me of the other thread where Reemas made himself look like a fool for something similar to this lul


Anyways funny memes aside,
Just ignore Reemas as his opinion on things like these is highly biased and idiotic to the point where it looks like trolling even though he is serious.

Reemas 10-03-2017 05:56 PM
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Posted by Eugeen (Post 797670)
Reminds me of the other thread where Reemas made himself look like a fool for something similar to this lul


Anyways funny memes aside,
Just ignore Reemas as his opinion on things like these is highly biased and idiotic to the point where it looks like trolling even though he is serious.
How much does Thallen pay you to kiss his ass?

Aguzo 10-03-2017 05:57 PM
Quote:
Posted by Reemas (Post 797645)
You're missing the key point here and that is there is no CHEATING allowed.
I wasn't cheating though. Didn't do any of the following included in Graal's code of conduct
There are no rules against using multiple accounts to farm, unless there were bots/macros involved, which I proved that there weren't
They could even check my sword slash log, if that even exists. They would see that it's not a consistent pattern at all

Bug Abuse, Hacks and Trainers
http://www.graalonline.com/docs/conduct?page=2#bugabuse
Spoiler
This section refers to creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, Anti-Idle Macros, Bots or any other 'hacks' destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair to players abiding by normal game rules. Players must agree that the consequences of allowing bugs and loopholes to be exploited is so detrimental to the product, that GraalOnline will exercise no tolerance whatsoever for anyone participating in this type of activity.

Bugs should always be reported. If you observe someone else abusing a serious bug, or discussing a plan to abuse one, and fail to report it, you are subject to the same penalties as they are. Players should report bugs to the Graal forum, Support Center (GraalDesk) or email the problem to [email protected].

Rewards obtained from bug abuse may be confiscated, at GraalOnline' sole discretion. Failure to cooperate with GraalOnline as to the extent or nature of a bug, or failure to be honest about the rewards obtained from bug abuse, is grounds for immediate lock-out from GraalOnline.

Reemas 10-03-2017 05:59 PM
Quote:
Posted by Pokki (Post 797669)
if there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts then how the heck is he cheating? he is sinply using multiple accounts (which you said you have no problem with doing) to be more effective and efficient when he farms. he is not bypassing any conduct of the game to give other players disadvantages or even give himself an advantage. he is simply being clever and smart with his thinking.
He’s using them all to farm for him. That’s something not whole lot of players know how to do. Thus, he has advantage and by other means. He might as well make a code shop and be “smart” about it.

Pokki 10-03-2017 06:04 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797674)
He’s using them all to farm for him. That’s something not whole lot of players know how to do. Thus, he has advantage and by other means. He might as well make a code shop and be “smart” about it.
and that one sentence right there ends the whole argument, it is not cheating.

4-Lom 10-03-2017 06:12 PM
"...creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, Anti-Idle Macros, Bots or any other 'hacks' destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair..."

qes 10-03-2017 06:16 PM
******ed admins man

Aguzo 10-03-2017 06:19 PM
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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 797677)
"...creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, Anti-Idle Macros, Bots or any other 'hacks' destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair..."
How is it unfair to own more than 1 device, and build 3 separate farms?
In that case, why wasn't I banned 1-2 months ago, when I was using just 2 accounts or why didn't I receive a warning for using an "unfair technique"

It's because they thought I was using a macro, stated clearly by snow noob
https://i.imgur.com/XBm3dzj.png

Pokki 10-03-2017 06:20 PM
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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 797677)
While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair..."
he is not abusing any bug.

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:23 PM
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Posted by Pokki (Post 797676)
and that one sentence right there ends the whole argument, it is not cheating.
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe it will come true.

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Posted by Pokki (Post 797681)
he is not abusing any bug.
He’s still cheating.

qes 10-03-2017 06:26 PM
your allowed to use multiple accounts LOL hes not cheating. smfh ******s

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:28 PM
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Posted by qes (Post 797683)
your allowed to use multiple accounts LOL hes not cheating. smfh ******s
Yes multiple accounts are fine. Just dont use them to cheat. Im just gonna start copying and pasting pretty soon. You really want this thread to be closed? I mean you’re REALLY trying hard to prove yourself innocent. Dont want it to go to waste now do you?

Aguzo 10-03-2017 06:32 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797684)
Yes multiple accounts are fine. Just dont use them to cheat. Im just gonna start copying and pasting pretty soon. You really want this thread to be closed? I mean you’re REALLY trying hard to prove yourself innocent. Dont want it to go to waste now do you?
How is qes trying to prove himself innocent, when he isn't the one that's banned?...

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:33 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 797685)
How is qes trying to prove himself innocent, when he isn't the one that's banned?...
Im referring to you too

qes 10-03-2017 06:34 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797684)
Yes multiple accounts are fine. Just dont use them to cheat. Im just gonna start copying and pasting pretty soon. You really want this thread to be closed? I mean you’re REALLY trying hard to prove yourself innocent. Dont want it to go to waste now do you?
What? I'm not banned... Aguzo is. so dont talk about proving me innocent lmao. Aguzo is innocent all he did was farm on 3 different accounts using PC, iphone/ipod and an ipad. its not cheating and its not abusing any "bugs". ******

Eugeen 10-03-2017 06:36 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797672)
How much does Thallen pay you to kiss his ass?
Idk him nor do I care, just genuinely thought his reply was funny

Quote:
Posted by 4-Lom (Post 797677)
"...creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, Anti-Idle Macros, Bots or any other 'hacks' destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair..."
Nice misinformative bolding of text, you do realize the second sentence is a continuation on what was said in the one before explaining they're talking about hacks or anything that does a similar job.
Your post is slightly confusing because of the lack of personal text input though, so it could be I misunderstood your posts intention.

Anyways, I have no clue why some of you are trying your hardest to find a reason to justify his bans even though there isn't one from the information we have access to.
Aguzo did not break any rules and deserves to be unbanned if his claims are correct.
I could also understand why he'd post this on here instead of straight to toonslab because I'm not even sure if toonslab would take his word for it since it would most likely be assumed it was a justified ban because investigation is supposed to take place before action is taken which doesn't seem to have happened in this case.

Nobody here other than staff can bring anything useful into the situation at this point

qes 10-03-2017 06:36 PM
Aguzo getting banned for being smart and making himself money just goes to show how ******ed graal is

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:38 PM
Quote:
Posted by Eugeen (Post 797688)
Idk him nor do I care, just genuinely thought his reply was funny



Nice misinformative bolding of text, you do realize the second sentence is a continuation on what was said in the one before explaining they're talking about hacks or anything that does a similar job.
Your post is slightly confusing because of the lack of personal text input though, so it could be I misunderstood your posts intention.

Anyways, I have no clue why some of you are trying your hardest to find a reason to justify his bans even though there isn't one from the information we have access to.
Aguzo did not break any rules and deserves to be unbanned if his claims are correct.
I could also understand why he'd post this on here instead of straight to toonslab because I'm not even sure if toonslab would take his word for it since it would most likely be assumed it was a justified ban because investigation is supposed to take place before action is taken which doesn't seem to have happened in this case.

Nobody here other than staff can bring anything useful into the situation at this point
Nice. You know im right and now using what i’ve been saying to justify yourself. Good job there buddy. Good job.

Eugeen 10-03-2017 06:39 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797690)
Nice. You know im right and now using what i’ve been saying to justify yourself. Good job there buddy. Good job.
I think you need to re-read

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:42 PM
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Posted by qes (Post 797689)
Aguzo getting banned for being smart and making himself money just goes to show how ******ed graal is
Nope. It just goes to show how players want to be popular in a game. Gotta be the cool one with all the items. Cheating to be a show off.

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Posted by Eugeen (Post 797691)
I think you need to re-read
Nah, you just need to know how to think for yourself.

qes 10-03-2017 06:45 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797692)
Nope. It just goes to show how players want to be popular in a game. Gotta be the cool one with all the items. Cheating to be a show off.



Nah, you just need to know how to think for yourself.
LOL what? so let me get this straight. Aguzo used 3 different accounts and built farms using the conveyor belt, and he sat on it spamming the sword botton on all 3 accounts, and thats cheating?
also let me get this straight, aguzo did all of this for popularity in a video game?
u r really dumb 4 real

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:48 PM
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Posted by qes (Post 797693)
LOL what? so let me get this straight. Aguzo used 3 different accounts and built farms using the conveyor belt, and he sat on it spamming the sword botton on all 3 accounts, and thats cheating?
also let me get this straight, aguzo did all of this for popularity in a video game?
u r really dumb 4 real
Why else would you need to make all money? Just to see how much you can collect? Yea right.

Either way, you dont need to cheat to do anything.

qes 10-03-2017 06:51 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797694)
Why else would you need to make all money? Just to see how much you can collect? Yea right.

Either way, you dont need to cheat to do anything.
people play graal for the fun of it. popularity on a video game doesn't matter. I'm sitting here typing on graalians making fun of you because its fun

Reemas 10-03-2017 06:54 PM
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Posted by qes (Post 797695)
people play graal for the fun of it. popularity on a video game doesn't matter. I'm sitting here typing on graalians making fun of you because its fun
Tell that Aguzo. Woops, nevermind. You just did inadvertently.

Eugeen 10-03-2017 06:58 PM
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Posted by Reemas (Post 797692)
Nah, you just need to know how to think for yourself.
I'm just gonna assume you're trolling instead of having a disability in consuming information
Hope things work out

Reemas 10-03-2017 07:02 PM
Quote:
Posted by Eugeen (Post 797697)
I'm just gonna assume you're trolling instead of having a disability in consuming information
Hope things work out
I'm just gonna assume you're trolling instead of having a disability in consuming information
Hope things work out

Aguzo 10-03-2017 07:21 PM
Quote:
Posted by Reemas (Post 797694)
Why else would you need to make all money? Just to see how much you can collect? Yea right.

Either way, you dont need to cheat to do anything.
That's exactly what I've been doing, since I've started graal
Spoiler
https://i.imgur.com/4R7GOx6.png
https://i.imgur.com/6i9Ge79.png
https://i.imgur.com/EbOI2wk.png
https://i.imgur.com/3Hh9OWN.png
I even made a video, years ago, on how to make a better farm


Checking different houses to see if guild house or normal house is better
https://i.imgur.com/FiKbraC.png

I just like to keep track of my progress to know how much I can get for spending x amount of time or x amount of bombs

Then conveyor belts came along


Didn't even use my allen wrench to farm, cause I try to keep things as clean as possible

Brett 10-03-2017 08:04 PM
Beyond ******ed ban. That's like saying working 2 jobs irl is cheating to get more money... when he's manually doing all the work by pressing buttons


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