Veteran Players Opinion. Graal getting better or worse?
 

I want to hear from the older veteran players.what is your opinion on how Graal has changed from a whole? What things do you miss or what things you feel should've stayed the same? Do you feel Graal is improving or straying from a path that would've made it better?

Graal as a whole hasn't changed since 2011. The game isn't fun. The global staff are corrupt and don't really seem to care about the people making the game for them.

PC Graal is dead. It's been dead. It's going to stay dead. I'm not sure why it even exists at this point. Graal managements' done a pretty good job of snubbing out the servers with potential and their staff for talking too loudly.

As for the mobile versions of Graal, iClassic is the only playable server. It's much better than it was a few years ago. All of the other mobile servers can **** off and die.

The game is booty. The game shouldn't be looked at for it's development capabilities anymore. Everything except for iClassic and it's development server should be removed, and the game should revolve around that.

I'm with Skyzer on this one.

iEra has pretty much become the Frakenstein's monster of this entire franchise and Zone is pretty much gone at this point. iOS Delteria is a myth and Ol' West is, IDK even know WTF it is.

PC Graal died in the last couple months, honestly was kinda sad to see it go. IMO a lot of the PC Servers had a lot going for them but they never really gained any momentum.

So yeah. You know a franchise is doing well when just 1 of the 4 or 5 servers is doing ok.

I only briefly played any PC graal after UN had been deemed dead already, but for the while I played it I enjoyed myself.

I can speak to how I feel classic has progressed, which isn't much. I don't think the game has become any worse in itself since 2010-2011, but as you get older you have less fun playing the actual game and it becomes more about just talking to people you know. There's one interesting event that happens every 3 months in the game's current state but until (if) NGS is released, that's all that really exists to do that bears any semblance of competition.

Schedules, schedules, schedules

Having the guts to complete something, graal needs a motivation trainer or psychotherapist as supervisor

Slow and steadily sending positive stimuli to manipulate behavior (staff and players) towards a better perception in general that eventually leads away from a depressive state

This approach has only rarely been done in game design

To heal the soul without invoking negativity with stressful situations that still drain energy in the end
(being worn out after excessively playing something, while reallife may be draining aswell at the same time)

Can still maintain usual design patterns as neccessary transitional instrument.

I think it's a lot worse, but I also have to consider the fact that after 7 years of playtime a lot of my opinions are influenced by nostalgia and the closed mind to change.

I'm not a veteran player, but I will post my opinion on iClassic.

Pkng is worse than it was in previous years. Arrow cool downs, objects doing 0.5 damage, and my favorite pk area (now a safe zone) is now a noob infested dump.

Spar has been about the same thing. One generation rises, they get bored, and then they go inactive giving way for the next generation.


Everything else has improved imo. The little quests, holiday events, house changes, and all the stuff non-competitive players enjoy seem to be improving. Not to mention those new tiles/graphics they use in places like the castle. The whole map should slowly be changed to match the castle.

I cannot criticize iClassic at all though, they are doing a very professional job over there

Word.

iClassic just keeps improving, their Nexus events showcase the most professional and put together projects Graal has really developed as a whole. The other servers, sadly, don't get the same light or attention that they need to actually become successful. Although, iClassic's success is truthfully because of the executives; Xor, Coco, Dusty, Fp4. Don't get me wrong, without the GPs or GATs it'd be a lot emptier and scarier, but Xor, Coco, Fp4, and Dusty are doing the brunt of the work outside of hats and holiday updates.

Nexus could have been realized a little better visually, but it was very well done in terms of functionality and general user experience

I failed to mention these aspects but I agree with this. As far as cosmetics / nexus - type stuff and tilesets go, there have been many improvements.

Nobody fun plays anymore, everyones not even unique. The type of releases are great and I love them but they arent that exciting for me anymore. Theres always a complaint about something extremely stupid now a days, more cries about admins now a days, common hats now a days.
Its just meh.

Worse, mainly because I've grown up and realised it's bad.

My opinion is that it's a bit of a skewed concept to give an opinion on. How many games can you say you've played for as long as Graal(at least if you're asking veteran players)? 5+ years is a long time for a single game. After a while you're going to get burned out on what made the game fun before.The magic fades, but you still stick around for one reason or another. Maybe it's friends, maybe it's the investment(either time or money) but if you're still around it's for a reason. But just because you're around doesn't mean you have the same outlook. You might still be around but it's harder and harder to enjoy. Most of your friends are probably gone, maybe you start realizing that after 5 years it's still more or less the same, maybe it's the fact you started when you weren't even a teen and now you're graduating high school. Either way, it becomes harder and harder to have an objective perspective on the game. Something you once thought was the most amazing thing when you were still a noob probably seems dumb or boring now. Does that make the content worse or does it just mean you've matured?

It's mostly about the community. There are lots of mmos that keep their players for years
iClassic is more of a social platform

The game doesn't force you to level up, or play competitively. House Design, Graphics, Spar, idling, emote-spamming, etc. You choose your own play-style
I believe that's why people still play

Graal has kept most of its community for years.?

In regards to competitive type activities;

Competitiveness within iclassic has hit an all time low.

For example the sparring community, the older better sparrers go inactive and a new group are the new "generation" (look at kaios being #1 for the season, if this was 2 years ago and we had these leaderboards then he'd never reach the top 45)

I began playing early 2014. Throughout these 3 years I learned a lot, be that spar, pk, money-making strats etc. It's an MMO, I couldn't expect much of it but I'm still here and still having fun doing what I learned to do. I met new people and sparred/towered with them and had some good times. I'm only more inactive nowadays because I'm now a junior in high school. I can't balance the constant attention of keeping spar skills up with school stuff.

When I started out playing, towering and spar seemed a lot better. The community was just secure and less hateful unless I was too young to pay attention.

Like others said, the new content from the gfx and scripting team has gotten better, but spar has stayed the same and towering has no reward. Players need to connect more, and I don't really see much of that. I see simple conversations or people afk or GSTs with salt after a guild wins. I don't think anything has really changed besides people coming and going. Good sparrers left, new ones came. Old tower guilds have come and gone, as well. It's just a little cycle right now where people are bored and growing up. There isn't much around to really keep people around like before, and that's like what others said: Players grew up, don't feel the same when they first started or simply want more.

I feel a the same way a little bit. I don't feel the same as I did back then, but a lot's happened in the past 3 years, and my view on a lot of things changed. I also want to see more things that will keep me interested. I love sparring, and towering was great, but there just needs to be more. It could be anything, be that an improvement to the game or simply more features. The game needs less problems. The community is pained by some of these problems and it brings negativity.

That's all I really have to say.

This thread isn't for you, bud.

Ios Vet not pc but..It hasn’t got better nor worse, it’s had roughly the same update rota since like forever(occasionally getting bigger or new updates) It’s simply because we eventually all get fed up and bored of waiting on stuff we’ve always liked to have seen on the game. The overall platform of being able to create your own character make hats/guns/melee etc and even make the levels and gani’s and get them ingame is unique on its own not many games allow you to create alot and it’s thrived because of that, the community made it what it is now. Sure you can look at zone for instance and see how worse in an update sense it can get but does that make zone a worse game? imo No, there isn’t always going to be good developers or the people needed to keep to a standard so at times it will feel like it’s worse but overall it’s been like that for awhile and still manages to keep players playing. Community always has kept players for longer than they usually would stay on games and the full customisation help aswell.

was definitely more fun and exhilarating throughout the early years, but it took a massive turn on its content and now i honestly find no objective in playing graal anymore

It's like every other mobile game- You can find a better one that is PC only, but the convenience of it being on your phone keeps you playing.

I think it probably was better.

The competitive community that is.

At least from what I can remember when I was a noob and did some towering.

I'm still a noob tho just in my early noob dayz

I've played another mobile game for 7yrs and honestly the only thing that makes a game worse is growing up and realizing there really wasn't anything to it.
Mobile Classic IMO is better than it was years ago. It seems to be handled better(minus the lag), everything is stylish and neat, nothing really feels like
"Oh it should be like this" unless you're really upset something turned out another way.
Maybe you're not having fun on Classic anymore, why?
Most likely because you've been doing the same thing over and over for years.
Otherwise mobile Classic seems to be good. I can't say for other servers since I've not spent as much time on them.

To me, the magic that made me played Graal a lot was offmap and the thrill of exploration, wanting to know what's out there, beyond the small boundaries of tiles that are blocking me from knowing. I started in 2012, and during that time, second server glitching was still a thing, and there was a horse glitch that can easily get you offmap. Now, all of that is gone. Offmap is just full of warps, or black tiles. I'm just in Graal City looking for people to talk to because most of my friends are gone. Sure, some content can be amazing, but there's nothing more amazing and magical than a thrill to do something, at least for me. After that, there's the socializing aspect of it, but most of my friends already quit now, so that sometimes can leave me pretty lonely whenever I come on as I watch other people socialize with their guilds, having fun with their friends, things that I used to do all those years ago. I sometimes wish I can go back and socialize with my friends again, glitching off-map as a 12 year-old kid but nah. I'm about to graduate high school this year and moving on.
But yeah, just wanna say that. As for has it gotten worse or better, ehh, it's still the same. Only major difference is towering because I spoke to a few people regarding their experience with the new towering system and they said it's dead.

I played in late 2012, like November or something.Game is definitely getting better. The gfx looks smoother and there isn't as many glitches to do. Sure, you could argue that events were hosted A LOT back then, but it made the rarity of event hats seem low, as one hat could become a prize multiple times.

Forgive me, I meant early 2013. Is that better?

Uh. No.

The game has gotten better but the community has gotten worse

that's a good explanation for iClassic actually.

Then what would ye' like? Would ye' like a little graal sword up your a** or my opinion on the way the game changed?

I started playing at the beginning of September in 7th grade and just graduated Highschool this year. After all these years I still log in to check the news and pms, but usually log off immediately after. There just isn't much else that interests me unless it's a unique activity like archery or a quest, or new furniture sets to decorate my house with.The content of the game has definitely improved yet I drill find myself not really wanting to play anymore. Most of the players that do what I'm interested int (esp guilds) are typically way younger than me so I generally find them annoying. "Lel, Rawr XD" types probably piss me for the most.

It's been stagnant, which makes it worse, especially for older players. The potential is obvious, which makes it all the more disappointing.

bad in terms of what i want it to be

good in terms of marketability


bad because brazil

Tbhhh graal is a lot better now in terms of graphics and visuals (dont know the word, but just look at previous nexus theyre a good example) its just that we need to remove all the ungrateful kids and newgens cause they dont deserve it

I would like you to stop posting. Your opinion doesn't matter in the context of this thread.

Keep chatting fella, doesn’t matter if vet or not majority have the same opinion on the game in this case anyway. Doesn’t matter who played for longer, they didn’t change anything as much as a new player hasn’t.

I just feel that in the past years nothing particularly new about any the games has come up.

Its usually just the same stuff, new hats, weapons, etc to gind for.

People are eventually going to get burnt out on that.

Also. Considering pretty much nothing about the core game changes, I think the community's obsession with hours and join date is especially degrading. Its literally just how many hours of your life you've wasted playing this boring ass game, who ****ing cares how long you've played or what year you joined.

Worse with dealing with cheaters and hackers.

Good with cosmetics.

Even If the new editions had a fraction of the features Graal Classic had over a decade and a half ago, I would still say it has deteriorated.

I've heard the excuses of this, "It takes time", "we're working on a new client", etc. And I'm very aware of the old drama against Stefan - which, imo, is totally unfounded, as people still piled on him when he had the audacity to charge 50 cents a month. Only a few years later would Blizzard do the same thing with no one batting an eye.

Anyway, saying "it takes time" only works if there is time spent working on content to justify saying it. Personally, I've seen nothing but a few promos here and there, some funny scripts activated sometimes -- but given Retro Nexus recently, there is a *lot* of talent on display there - so why does the world still not have things as basic as a hammer? There are things in the world that scream "find something to get to me" only to actually be leftovers of a world that was far more expansive when those areas were actually relevant.

It's straight up baffling to me. It's even more baffling to new players because they would (correctly, yes, correctly) assume that those areas will be accessible at some point. There are huge sections of the Graal Classic world that are shrinking. Why?

I found the last version of GraalOnline before the removal of Single Player on some of my backup disks, and I had a blast. Where is that game? I had 1000s of hours in those old servers, and there was still stuff I hadn't finished by the time the servers were reset. I mean, the central tenet of the game - the four graals - isn't there now. I could understand if it took months, but it's been years. Years! Duke Nukem Forever has nothing on the current state of Graal.

But hey, at least we have houses, hats, and a marriage/family element that could have been fleshed out even more, but has not been.

I am of the opinion that the developers would love to fix all this but are so afraid of player backlash which is always going to happen. I don't know the current management, but this is ridiculous regardless.

Do NOT take this as an attack on the devs, this is not an attack on the developers as much as it is a wakeup call to the top brass - if I can have more fun with a single player version of the game over 10 years old than the current version populated with players, isn't that a problem?

Era is doing bad classic is doing really good

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If you spent all of your time on graal trying to get hours and stupid items and you weren't involved in the dev aspect of the game then you aren't going to graal heaven and don't ask me how I know this it's just the word of god I can't explain it ok

Classic has been one of my most treasured game memories I've ever had I started when I was 13 and now I'm 19, I've met so many good people that make you laugh and those same people add moments to the game that have been my most enjoyed moments for example trolling players, glitching, causing drama and sharing grade A banter. Unfortunately a lot of people I've met throughout the years have come and gone I still remain in contact with a few but friendships do sometimes fade away, still some remain but they are inactive on graal, the game feels stale, the graphics are great but the game feels sluggish (it used to be really smooth PK and Spar was a lot more fluid and enjoyable) and the game can be painfully laggy at times. Life also takes its course with everyone with studying or work which is one of the main reasons I haven't been playing, the only times I do come on is when I'm relying on nostalgia fuel but that burns out quickly, I've invested a lot of time into the game which maybe also why I still end up coming back online.

Gameplay being sluggish I'd say worse, due to increase in population it only continues to get worse if unixmad doesn't sort it out and realise how much potential graal as a whole has.

But graphics wise it's at its best.

can't say I like the new bounty system it requires more work
the nexus and other related updates are pretty cool tho however as always graal kinda seems boring after a while due to the fact that pk is equal which is why I moved to zodiac.

At this point in my life I am bored of the mobile servers especialy classic though it seems to be doing the most progress I don't view the game as interesting as I once did as I've been out of touch with many community members for years.

Classic has always and will probably always be the game that gets boring quick no matter how long you stay and how many guild house ideas you invent I would probably tell you the only 2 servers that were/are worth playing regularly was UN and currently is Zodiac.

UN being the best while it lived as it had a superb community filled with fun and annoying npcs aswell as the best events graal has witnessed.

Zodiac is great due to the way pk is diverse allowing you to spend hours making chars and owning/being owned on the battlefield.

Carry me on zodiac pls

Off and on player that started 15 years ago in middle school by burning the installation file to a CD and playing an hour a day at a library with a trial account that reset every time you logged off.

The game has always been terrible. It was the community that kept people around. As someone noted before, the (playerworlds) are just virtual chatrooms in which each server offered a unique spin to draw in players. During my brief time playing iclassic, I found that the community resembled what I thought were glory days of PC Graal. As long as the game keeps up that community, the game will continue to "get better", or at least stay alive.

I have no idea why PC Graal as a platform died the way it did. I feel that Graal, with its ability to create your own virtual hangout spot, would have really taken off in the era of all these social sandbox mmos. I get that there was a focus shift to mobile and the IAP $$$, but damn it felt like PC Graal was choked out a little too quickly. If down the line the iclassic population gets too big, I wonder what "could have been" if PC Graal was still around with a couple of decently fleshed out classic playerworlds.

Forum pm me we can figure something out.