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RyanB 08-30-2017 05:10 PM

how 2 fix guild spar boosting
 
remove 1 room during registration week
add it back after

Saeed 08-30-2017 05:25 PM

This will lead to +100 members in the room. Plus, guilds rarely boost in the registration week they usually boost a month before gst.
There is no need to do anything towards guild boosters since most of them get resetted before gst day, the rest get resetted an hour before gst.

Darkk 08-31-2017 03:11 AM

Only allow points to be accumulated when cores and/or subs of the specific guild are sparring. It would be a little extreme if boosters coordinated to get 5 online for the sole purpose of boosting

Boosting points allows guilds to avoid the better teams until the later rounds, thus increasing the likelihood of them placing. This is detrimental to the accuracy of the tournaments outcome

The same guilds boost and selective spar every season. None of them succeed

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Posted by Saeed (Post 794614)
This will lead to +100 members in the room. Plus, guilds rarely boost in the registration week they usually boost a month before gst.
There is no need to do anything towards guild boosters since most of them get resetted before gst day, the rest get resetted an hour before gst.

"Resetted" isn't a word lol. Bs you actually live in the UK

Rusix 09-01-2017 03:23 PM

I like the Idea of the cores or subs have to be on the spar team to gain points. It would help greatly determine the skill level of your team opposed to opposing teams you'll face. I like this idea it also helps build team work and as well as understanding of your team mates.

qes 09-01-2017 03:31 PM

Would be easy if an hour before GST everyones scores were reset and whoever gets the highest scores in that hour gets qualified/the best seed. bec graal is pretty dead nobody in the spar community in their right mind is playing more than an hour a day anymore and the only time people play for over an hour is GST day(besides the Alumni nerds)

Rusix 09-01-2017 03:43 PM

That would be a little unfair. An hour ahead is a bit overkill. You'd have to do really well. And it can be used to cripple opposing guilds. For instance, in th GS if you spar a high point guild and win you get more points since they was likely harder to beat. Now low point guilds you'll likely recieve less points over beating if my understanding of points for GS is correct.

I feel This would make it more a luck based thing instead of a skill based way of doing things.

Void 09-01-2017 04:25 PM

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Posted by Darkk (Post 794664)
Only allow points to be accumulated when cores and/or subs of the specific guild are sparring. It would be a little extreme if boosters coordinated to get 5 online for the sole purpose of boosting

For that to work there would either have to be a new change to the system, where thereīs cores and subs registered for the whole season 24/7 (and even then there would need to be a fee for changing cores/subs or people would just register whomever they wanna boost with).
The only other way for that to work is that guilds can only gain points during GST week, which also has itīs flaws.

Rusix 09-01-2017 05:11 PM

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Posted by Void (Post 794773)
For that to work there would either have to be a new change to the system, where thereīs cores and subs registered for the whole season 24/7 (and even then there would need to be a fee for changing cores/subs or people would just register whomever they wanna boost with).
The only other way for that to work is that guilds can only gain points during GST week, which also has itīs flaws.


Perhaps a time limit between when subs or core can be changed? Like only once every 6 hours.

4-Lom 09-01-2017 06:51 PM

Apparently the answer is reset the season scores and let it sort itself out. Now only ppl who boost for the next 24-36 hours will get in.

Void 09-02-2017 11:19 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 794780)
Perhaps a time limit between when subs or core can be changed? Like only once every 6 hours.

I think a small fee for changing them would work better.
They could still boost easily with a time limit, just slower paced

alexx 09-02-2017 11:49 AM

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Posted by qes (Post 794766)
Would be easy if an hour before GST everyones scores were reset and whoever gets the highest scores in that hour gets qualified/the best seed. bec graal is pretty dead nobody in the spar community in their right mind is playing more than an hour a day anymore and the only time people play for over an hour is GST day(besides the Alumni nerds)

This could quite possibly, be the most ******ed thing I've ever read on this forum site.

how about, all guild points get reset when hats are introduced, and guilds have a week to get points for gst? This would limit boosting guilds and give people some time to gain points.

Saeed 09-02-2017 12:42 PM

To be honest, I don't see guilds that boost are having a massive impact on gst. Boosters always lose in the first two rounds.
Also, almost all guilds that boos gets reset and the ones who don't get caught only boosted few matches that don't even give them 100 points (if they were above 6k). If they were below 6k, their guild rating will get low because of beating a weak guild which will negatively effect their points jump.
I think the rules are fine as they are now.

Thallen 09-02-2017 05:24 PM

no guild who has ever boosted their GS score has won the GST so I don't even see why these idiots do it, doubt half of them even understand how the brackets work

Livid 09-02-2017 06:00 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 794896)
no guild who has ever boosted their GS score has won the GST so I don't even see why these idiots do it, doubt half of them even understand how the brackets work

Isnt it just randomized, the GS score is only to place.

RyanB 09-02-2017 09:59 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 794896)
no guild who has ever boosted their GS score has won the GST so I don't even see why these idiots do it, doubt half of them even understand how the brackets work

But you see, guilds tht boost prevent me from getting a f**king item

Eugeen 09-02-2017 10:16 PM

Just remove guilds

David M. 09-03-2017 02:09 PM

Just have people gain points to be in top 32, then organize the brackets at random. No point in boosting then.

Thallen 09-03-2017 03:03 PM

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Posted by David M. (Post 795040)
Just have people gain points to be in top 32, then organize the brackets at random. No point in boosting then.

kind of a defeated approach, the boosters have won if that's the solution

Brett 09-04-2017 05:49 AM

Could just make it so the same team can't spar each other again // they have to fight another team before being able to fight the same team again. Kinda sucks though since there's not tons of teams always, only a mediocre solution at best

Aguzo 09-04-2017 08:43 AM

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Posted by Brett (Post 795112)
Could just make it so the same team can't spar each other again // they have to fight another team before being able to fight the same team again. Kinda sucks though since there's not tons of teams always, only a mediocre solution at best

Then they get crafty and use 2 alt tags to boost their main

Saber Alumba 09-04-2017 10:24 AM

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Posted by Livid (Post 794901)
Isnt it just randomized, the GS score is only to place.

Too 4 guilds create the 4 gst brackets ( I'm pretty sure ) so guild with the top score faces the 16 lowest scored guilds up u till semis . At least that's how I though it worked that's why tou always see noob guilds try hard boosting for top seed so they don't have to face better guilds until later.

But either points can only help you maybe get to semis but after that it's all pretty much the same, still gonna face good teams , still gonna lose.

Agonee 09-04-2017 11:14 AM

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 795119)
Then they get crafty and use 2 alt tags to boost their main

Well, it'd slow down boosting a lot since they'd have to leave the room to switch the tags, prolly more people would see it as well

Raeven 09-04-2017 03:53 PM

Just give 1-2 days to gain pts every GST like the previous one lol , it was more competetive and no one can boost it also lowers the average points needed to qualify giving noobs a chance to participate.

Saeed 09-04-2017 04:02 PM

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Posted by Saber Alumba (Post 795124)
Too 4 guilds create the 4 gst brackets ( I'm pretty sure ) so guild with the top score faces the 16 lowest scored guilds up u till semis . At least that's how I though it worked that's why tou always see noob guilds try hard boosting for top seed so they don't have to face better guilds until later.

But either points can only help you maybe get to semis but after that it's all pretty much the same, still gonna face good teams , still gonna lose.

Nope

David M. 09-04-2017 07:15 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 795043)
kind of a defeated approach, the boosters have won if that's the solution

Won how? They can no longer fix where they end in the brackets (if they can at all).

David 09-04-2017 07:30 PM

the mind numbingly simple solution is better GPs that monitor this kind of stuff more frequently but that's too big of an ask

Zideruic 09-04-2017 10:03 PM

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Posted by David (Post 795227)
the mind numbingly simple solution is better GPs that monitor this kind of stuff more frequently but that's too big of an ask

it seems like a lot of issues come back to staff not being able to manage stuff....

Nanner 09-04-2017 10:30 PM

Reset the scores a week before gst just like last time

Thallen 09-05-2017 01:10 AM

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Posted by David M. (Post 795224)
Won how? They can no longer fix where they end in the brackets (if they can at all).

yeah, but you're hurting the integrity of the tournament by doing that
if the two best teams randomly face each other in the first round then you're setting yourself up for a really bad tournament

Rusix 09-05-2017 02:50 PM

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Posted by Void (Post 794875)
I think a small fee for changing them would work better.
They could still boost easily with a time limit, just slower paced

A small fee can be very weak in limiting boosting. Let's say the fee was 1k per person changed. Someone who buys a lot of gralats or has lots of gralats or loots a lot for instance this is hardly something to overcome. But not being able to get points without having all the main core on and if changed needed a 6hr time wait until getting points can be a huge cool down in how quick players can get points. For instance if what happened at last GST happened again players would be forced to play with only the main tag. The cool down is too long to wait to gain points.


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