Lets Talk About Laggers
 

I believe every server has problems with laggers and i realize people cant "help it" but its getting redickeless how op it is for some people with their lag. In my opinion laggers should not be aloud to tower or base cause it affects everybody else gameplay in a negative way and makes it unfair. Same for spar, eathier they need to get a better connection or lose privelages in graal its 2017 theres no excuss why you shouldnt be able to have internet rn good enough for graal.

Give your opinions and ideas.

Some people just don't live near the server. Would be stupid to stop them from participating in pretty much the only enjoyable activities because they don't live near America.

Yeah, I can't see them alienating a large marjority of their playerbase from most of the available activities. It isn't a good business decision.

If you can't stand that lag plays a huge part in gameplay then you simply shouldn't play graal

I know it doesn't really apply to this but I hate it when a problem is addressed with "if you don't like it, don't play the game". That is the worst way to handle criticism.

Whats wrong with discriminating those that dont pay for better wifi ik location could be a problem but tough **** thats life we shouldnt have to suffer over the 10% and adapt our gameplay just so they can play. They should be forced to get better wifi or get their right to base and spar taken away. I dont see being laggy on other games being an advantage except for graal.

If they arn't even going to spend a few bucks on better wifi what makes you think their gonna make purchases for gralat packs on graal

IMO it's easier to play with good WiFi than with worse, doesn't meant that some delayers would be as good as they're with delay.

As a Hillary supporter I'm just gonna say what u just said was the most racist thing I have ever heard

Where did you pull 10% from? More than 50% of players are not from the US.

location-based discrimination, nice

But really this is just bad for the health of the game in general. Most of the time it isn't even that hard to deal with people who delay if you use your head even a little bit.

Most can´t help it anyway, because they might live far away from the server and maybe even live in countries with a bad infrastructure, where good internet just isn´t accessible.
Since most Graal Players are children/teenagers, they can´t really just walk up to their parents and say 'mom, we need better internet bc i´m lagging in this one video game, where the servers are utter trash', not even factoring in that there´s also a good portion that can´t afford to get better connection.

It´s also an odd misconception that lag gives you and inherent 'advantage'.
I can say for myself that I wouldn´t consider my lag an advantage, because I actually have a hard time landing my hits/defending/attacking too.

All I have is a general feeling for how much I lag and how much I have to predict. But all that is in vain, once I spar somebody else with delay, because I have to not only consider my own lag/delay but also theirs and probably also the server´s lag.

Of course there seem to be exceptions to these things, but there always are.
Pretty sure most people with delay/lag have the same problems that I do

In my opinion it´s those who run the server *cough* unixmad *cough* who should upgrade them, so lag is less prominent. The server lag is ridiculous sometimes


TL;DR: most ppl can´t help their lag/delay and probably can´t change it and playing with lag also kinda blows

Cant there be a thing like "You cannot enter this tower you mudt have a latency of at least 60ms. Your latency:>9000"

Like others have stated, this will never happen simply because half the players that aren't close to the server are still playing the game despite their lag and providing bank for the big man.

In an easier way to understand how stupid it would be from a business perspective:
"Ok half my players don't want the other half who live away from the server to play the fun competitive parts because it ruins it for them, lets banish that other half. Ah, all of a sudden that half have stopped playing my game and generating income for my business."

What some people don't understand is that although it can be frustrating to fight against someone with a poor connection in comparison to your own, they have to deal with it to. They just seem better at kicking your ass because they're more adapted to playing with that delay.

imagine playing an online game, with an international server and not being able to get the full experience of the game, just because you happen to be born on a continent far away from the server location

excluding people from experiencing the game, due to circumstances out of their power, is so wrong

not like the server capacity and stuff couldn´t be upgraded, to help fight the server lag

I'm sure we have ruled this possibility out a long time ago

i know, it´s sadly extremely unlikely
just annoys me that people have been blaming the wrong people for lag for some time now

sorry for not living in texas!

irrelevant old west server player!

Because there's no way to fix this.
Things like movement and even health are handled on the client therefor there's very little to do about lag or speeding at all.

We all know unixmad doesn't really care so this will never change

I don't play Graal but can sympathize with the laggers.

1. There is only 1 ISP where I live, I'd buy a better wifi package if I could.

2. I don't live in the US so **** me right?

Really? I never found Lag to be an issue on graal , thank you for bringing this news to the forum.

You dont live in the usa but you have a usa flag as your sig lol

Ty for your answers but something i dont understand is some of u are saying its a bad business decision, why tf would and should the staff team care about this when 99% of them dont get paid and if they do its very little. I still stick by with my opinion on laggers though.

Because they work for unix and some of them want people to play their game? If 50% of players suddenly find themselves unable to participate in the majority of activities then you're going to find the that the playercount will drop dramatically.

You know how balamb island was tooken over by the brazillians well on ol west more and more brazillians are basing and their just a pain.

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Oh no, people who speak a different language on an online game.

You know thats not what i meant dont turn this into a race issue i dont feel like debating with you liberals today

Okay well first learn what the word race means.

I don't understand what liberalism has to do with it. It's a ****ing world-accessible online game, you're gonna have Brazilians and people from other cultures. If that offends you then uninstall the game and disconnect your internet.

Do you see me complaining about their cultures no im not im complaining about their lag. **** this **** i shouldve just kept this to the ol west section forgot how cancerous classic community is. Close the thread colin if you want. Those that actually gave valid reasons to against my opinion thank you on educating me more on how graal works.

You used Balamb Island as an example when that has no effect on competitive play and then talked about how Brazilians are taking over Ol' West. I don't play the game so can only relate to the Classic example. Then when I answer you, you resort to name calling.

Honestly, you're yet to make a valid point yourself other than that you're upset people are lagging. The game isn't just for the inferior country that is called America.

America inferior

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More insight into the mind of Vendetta

Get out of my section TomatoPanda. It's bad enough we have to share the same site with an Ol West subforum.

There is one solution: If they had servers around the globe, not just Dallas Texas. For an example: EU, NA etc the list goes on. But unixmad wouldn't even consider. Here are the reasons why: we don't have enough players, it would cost a lot of money, he would have to maintain multiple servers when he struggles maintaining Graal how it is now. And unixmad doesn't like to spend much money. And I hope you understand that even with a 1gbps wifi connection, you would still delay if outside of the US. It has nothing to do with the client, just the server.

The costs of opening up more servers globally would be more than covered by the gains made by just Classic.

it's 2017... and plenty of the world doesn't have quality internet yet. Believe me, if most delays could have a quicker connection they would have it. But it isn't even their fault, the fact that we have one server is the issue. Certain players, who have a better connection than 95% of graal's community, still lag even though they have the best connection money can buy (much better than a US connection). I can't imagine that you could ban people from spar and towering (basically all competitive gameplay) because of the games shortcomings, not their own.

Do some players have bad connections? Of course, but that doesn't and shouldn't be a reason to stop them from being competitive... from a money perspective it's illogical (why alienate 50%~ of your community?). Sadly Graal wasn't designed with lag and delay in mind, so it is an issue. But, once again, that's an issue with the game.

Facing delayers isn't even a big deal... I don't know about the other Graal games, but on iclassic it isn't any more difficult than facing a good US player. It's a different style of gameplay, but not necessarily more difficult.

Just wait til the africans invade with their donated devices and googles internetplanes/drones