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PumaD 07-16-2016 12:08 AM

**** happening in Turkey
 
Thoughts, comments?

Personally, I am shocked.

DJ Meow 07-16-2016 12:13 AM

not even thanksgiving dude smh

PigParty 07-16-2016 12:13 AM

It's the most interesting news I've seen in a while.

5hift 07-16-2016 12:25 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 723851)
It's the most interesting news I've seen in a while.

Indeed it is.

I find it rather irresponsible for Erdogan to ask civilians to flood the streets and protest while the military goes around with tanks, helicopters and even jets.

The military has said they wish to avoid civilian casualties but I can't really see that happening in this mess.

Honestly not sure who to side with on this one.

EDIT: Ok so apparently Erdogan is flying to England after Germany refused his asylum requests (LMAO).

Senpai Enigma 07-16-2016 12:25 AM

nice

Vicipower 07-16-2016 12:33 AM

Ayy Im going to turkey in less than a month, is something big happening down there other than the terrorist attacks

Senpai Enigma 07-16-2016 12:36 AM

turkey hunt for thanksgiving

5hift 07-16-2016 12:37 AM

Quote:

Posted by Vicipower (Post 723858)
Ayy Im going to turkey in less than a month, is something big happening down there other than the terrorist attacks

Yeah there is a military coup d'etat going on over there.

There really isn't much info about how things are going for either side but its pretty obvious that the situation isn't very safe.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CncGA5_XgAEB7JJ.jpg:large

Here's an image of airlines trying to steer clear of all of ****ing Turkey after news of the coup.

MrSimons 07-16-2016 12:51 AM

Apparently military coup's are a regular thing for Turkey.

https://gyazo.com/99b5b8d888acc077a7f21bbd8e8b92e8.png

5hift 07-16-2016 12:53 AM

Yeah bout a decade or two seems to be the trend.

Who knows, maybe we'll all witness another coup in Turkey in the future.

DanteGraal 07-16-2016 12:55 AM

Coup ended via FaceTime.

What a time to be alive.

Symmasolan 07-16-2016 04:14 AM

Inb4 someone mentions the insanity of the event in Nice, France.

Some seriously sick irony.

Skyzer 07-16-2016 05:42 AM

I don't live in Turkey.

TD* 07-16-2016 06:54 AM

Turkey was already on a slippery slope towards islamic extremism and this will only accelerate it. Turkey under Erdogan's presidency supported ISIS, bombed the Kurdish and slowly shifted towards Sharia Law. He attempted to change the Constitution to remove secularism from it and bring all power to the executive branch of his government , or in other words himself. Now with the coup failing, I can easily foresee the hanging of secular soldiers with them being replaced by other extremists like himself. Turkey will truly be an Islamic State of nothing is done about him and the fanatics that voted him in.

Crono 07-16-2016 10:58 AM

its not shocking, this happens once every 10 years

the military involved with the coup want to make sure the government is secular.

i dont think much will come out of this other than needless civilian deaths. the military itself is split so not all of them are involved.

PigParty 07-16-2016 11:31 AM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 723928)
its not shocking, this happens once every 10 years

the military involved with the coup want to make sure the government is secular.

i dont think much will come out of this other than needless civilian deaths. the military itself is split so not all of them are involved.

How it happened was shocking. There was no unity in the military or support from the leaders, so the fact that many military personnel were able to secretly organize that without tipping off supporters of Turkey's President is shocking.

Crono 07-16-2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 723934)
How it happened was shocking. There was no unity in the military or support from the leaders, so the fact that many military personnel were able to secretly organize that without tipping off supporters of Turkey's President is shocking.

yeah i was also impressed with their multi-city coordination but without the full suport of the military they were destined to struggle. turkey's president is a piece of **** so it's a shame that they failed, but i have to reserve judgement until i know where these civilian deaths stem from.

the military behind the coup urged folks to stay at home, while the government encouraged folks to take to the streets. no doubt this contributed to the death count, but it doesnt help the military behind the coup at all if they are the ones that killed civilians.

PigParty 07-16-2016 11:58 AM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 723942)
yeah i was also impressed with their multi-city coordination but without the full suport of the military they were destined to struggle. turkey's president is a piece of **** so it's a shame that they failed, but i have to reserve judgement until i know where these civilian deaths stem from.

the military behind the coup urged folks to stay at home, while the government encouraged folks to take to the streets. no doubt this contributed to the death count, but it doesnt help the military behind the coup at all if they are the ones that killed civilians.

Based on what I heard about the military and previous coups, I'm surprised the full military wasn't involved. He's an elected and (generally) liked President, but he's trying to change the constitution which the military is supposed to defend. I also thought it was naive of the President of Turkey to tell his citizens to go into harm's way by going out onto the streets. That might be the only reason the coup failed, though. Yea, I figured casualties were impossible to avoid but that was a lot of pointless deaths that shouldn't have happened.

Crono 07-16-2016 01:02 PM

i think its a bad time for a coup to be honest. PKK is against the coupe and ISIS would get some disgusting cheap shots in while the country is temporarily destabilized.

Vicipower 07-16-2016 03:31 PM

Had to call all my relatives since most of them live in ankara and istanbul, my favorite aunt couldnt sleep at all because they bombed a police academy close to her house so I was pretty damn worried and still am.

All on erdogans side here, I think he did a good job on telling the citizens to go out and protest, he didnt force anyone. They did it because they wanted to imo so no one is at fault here.

Sardon 07-16-2016 04:32 PM

Quote:

Posted by DJ Meow (Post 723850)
not even thanksgiving dude smh

lmao
not the right thread though :(

Crono 07-16-2016 04:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by Vicipower (Post 723988)
All on erdogans side here, I think he did a good job on telling the citizens to go out and protest, he didnt force anyone.

l o l

Eugeen 07-16-2016 04:45 PM

https://res.cloudinary.com/yuppieche...ing_v0fchl.jpg
Does this answer your question?

Vicipower 07-16-2016 05:07 PM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 723999)
l o l

I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I wouldn't wanna live in turkey but I don't see what he did wrong there

Crono 07-16-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Posted by Vicipower (Post 724009)
I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I wouldn't wanna live in turkey but I don't see what he did wrong there

the guy is trying to **** on the secular reform ataturk brought which helped turkey evolve into the modern power it is today. hes an islamist who wouldnt mind if turkey's secularism was thrown out the window. if he tried he would of course be tossed by the full military as it is their task to make sure turkey remains secular.

that and hes a corrupt ****.

with that said, i dont really support the military personnel who commited treason. this wasnt a normal coup attempt.

TD* 07-16-2016 11:00 PM

Quote:

Posted by Vicipower (Post 724009)
I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I wouldn't wanna live in turkey but I don't see what he did wrong there

There is a lot of allegations that his government supports ISIL. Even when they joined the coalition against the Islamic state, they did more air strikes against both the PKK and the YPG than ISIL, making little to no difference that one is a terrorist organization while the other is our allies. Most extremists in the region get their weapons from Turkey with little resistance.

However what is most peculiar is the illegal entry of oil from ISIS into Turkey. While airstrikes against the terrorists where done occasionally, they never targeted ISIS oil tankers until Russian involvement in the matter. The week Russian jets destroy hundreds of oil convoys heading to Turkey, the Turkish Armed Forces take down a Russian jet not longer in Turkish Air Space.

Thallen 07-16-2016 11:28 PM

Another radical Muslim dictator cemented in power
I don't care as long as they keep that garbage way over there

Crono 07-16-2016 11:48 PM

Quote:

Posted by Thallen (Post 724093)
Another radical Muslim dictator cemented in power
I don't care as long as they keep that garbage way over there

The US is never really getting any of the garbage compared to Europe, even when they (the US) cause it.

PigParty 07-17-2016 12:50 AM

He's going to use this to get even more power and weed out anyone who may potentially be against him, even if there's no basis for that thought process. He's going to make sure there's no opposition at all to him.

5hift 07-17-2016 01:05 AM

Yeah purges and "cleansing" are common after failed coups.

This can not end well for the military.

TD* 07-17-2016 08:45 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7140661.html Fair trials are out of question now. Turkey's moral high ground as a secular muslim democracy is out of the window now. All progress they have made to enter the EU is now meaningless. TBH they should be removed from NATO as they no longer represent democratic values.

Skyzer 07-17-2016 10:32 AM

This is why I want ham on Christmas instead of turkey.


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