Jailing / Banning
 

I think the old hour system for banning was beter. I mean the current system is unfair to people who are busy or who dont want to mine and then thy never finish their rocks and they make a new account and lose all their items. While the hour system people know one day they will be unbanned and that they will have their account back in a short time. But still its about the same thing as jaling them and making them to mine. It teaches them a lesson in a more funnish way. I mean rn my account has been in jail for almost 3 months and i havent touched it and its really annoying, i only have access to my account on one phone because i had to delete the email that associated with it and now im trapped there. Also the current system is dumb, if my email worked i could give someone access to my account and pay them to mine until there is one mine rock or zero mine the last wrong and tada. I almost didnt have to do anything. While in the other banning screen and time i cant get someone to log into my account and get me unbanned. (Well not unless their hackers in that case I wouldnt give my email to them)

unfair? Lol. Pretty sure it's unfair of the player to cheat or ruin others' gameplay. They can suck up mining rocks for hours. Jail needs to stay, but it needs to be changed to have time intervals between rocks so you can't speed hack to mine them quickly. Banning is pointless and people just evade on another acc until their ban is over. Evading while jailed does nothing because you still have to put the work in to get unjailed. Jail was one of the best ideas Tash ever implemented.

Guess I have to spoil the surprise. Almost done :D
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-.- It was suppose to come end of this week or next week. Just tweaking a few minor things

Nice. Going back to everyone evading ban, making it completely pointless.

Wait what? I dont understand what you mean.

It's a ban screen.

You do realize that it is one thing to be punished, and another thing to be punished AND have to do work. People wanna enjoy this game, so jailing them is perfectly fine. It's not something they can actually evade. But I want people to learn from their mistakes instead of sitting in a jail not touching a rock, or using a mechanism to mine those rocks!

Jail is back, Labour is gone

I think mining is also one of the reasons why nobody really plays zone. I mean you be innapropriate with your friends. You can jailed lets say 50 rocks for 2nd offense. Im not spending around 1-2 hours mining to get out just for swearing. Its really stupid how older kids get on and younger kids and the younger kids ruin everything, no swearing etc. i mean sometimes we want to swear freely. Maybe people can equip swear filters if they want to so younger kids dont have to see inappropriate words and not experience them.

There's different levels of punishment for a reason. I don't think we want someone to play zone if they sexually harass people. They would get 50 rocks and would never come back. That's fine. On other servers, they get banned for a month, then come back and do it again. Swear filters won't happen. You do not need to swear to have a conversation. That's also why we have gags, so we don't jail everyone for simply saying ****.

YAYYYYY CHELT what about the people who are already jailed will they be unbanned or get banned for the amount of rocks 1 rock = 30 minutes?

Well that doesnt seem like how it works on zone. You say a bad word once gag then twice jail.

It's a game, people want to enjoy that game. They get jailed for an offense, work their time. And then get out. They were punished for what they did, and if they do it again their next jail time is longer.

Because we all know how sticking people people in a jail cell and doing nothing for them makes them learn from their mistakes. Oh well, your mistake, not mine.

They don't work their time. They evade. Ask anyone who is a constant player and has been banned. They just get on a noob account until they're unbanned. I did it all the time, so I would know. It also never stopped me frlm misbehaving in the future.

Try learning from your mistakes and not swearing a 2nd time after you were just previously gagged. Pretty common sense...

It is a game not real life. Why do you wanna labour 400.392 rocks just to play a game. Seriously, it's not skyrim or GTA. We have a rather tiny player base, and I want them to have fun. They do stupid stuff and then are jailed for it. In real life your aren't put away for eternity either.

I find it loads of fun to get PMs asking for nude pics, getting cursed at, or people glitching their weapons to take bases from me. Loads of fun!!! You wonder why people hate Era? Their community sucks, and they don't learn. It just continues. Jail isn't eternity either. Jail just makes you work to get out - as you should.

So, what keeps them from playing on a noob account when they are suppose to be hammering?

Nothing. But the fact that they won't magically be unjailed after a week makes a difference.

Well our opinion is different, never liked the idea of labour on Graal to be "punished". So thats why I'm having it removed. Thank you for your Opinion. Good Bye

The ban system is in place because these players have something to lose, otherwise they would just suspend their accounts permanently. Whether they are going to evade bans or not, it's still going to teach them a lesson.

I was demonstrating lmao. Im with changing the mining to time in jail.

I just don't understand how you act like this when you're the manager of the server. Be the bigger person.

I was nice to him o.O not sure what your up about. This was no irony.

I just talked to a lot of people and then we decided that labour is pushing Zone back, so we are having it removed

There was sass involved, which is why Yogurt said that. It's OK, though, I've got a lot of sass too. I get where you're coming from, and if I was ever jailed, even for as little as 10 rocks, I'd probably never mine them. But I think my experience as ZP has led me to realize pretty much everyone takes a ban as a joke and no one changes their behavior because of it. Most people don't change from jail either, but at least jailing gets rid of the players that do serious things that do actually ruin others' gameplay.

I agree with you chelt. I mean zones player count is low and maybe a part cause of it is the jails, i havent played on my main for a couple of months like I said and well I dont have a few hours to mine all my rocks. Lmao in 4 months i only had time to mine 1 rock. Also read my past post about how many minutes a rock should be. Overall i think 1 rock should be 30 minutes. What do you think

It will probably be reverted back to what it was before, or at least similar to it. All I can hope is that things like sexual harassment and racism are kept at serious levels for punishment. I pushed Tash and FR a while to get those raised, and they shouldn't be taken lightly.

Can't comment on that. You will see when it's out. Just got an update, it's most likely getting done scripted on the weekend. :love:

Haha ya sure. No you weren't. Thank you for your opinion. Goodbye.

Can I be a manager now?

The smartest thing chelt has done since birth.http://i.imgur.com/YyverVu.png

I'm not a guy to small talk. I try to get right to the point. My point was done, so I thanked him for his opinion and left.

My point was done too. I thanked you for your opinion, and said goodbye. Are you suggesting there was something wrong with my response?

Ladies, ladies. Let's all calm down.

on this episode of get meme'd

Don't just get rid of jail, use both systems, jail the high offenses like hacking and ban the lower stuff like cussing. Using just one system isn't gonna work due to either being jailed for something minor or only getting a measly ban for major things. Also, make a written set of punishments for certain offenses so people who only deserve a ban don't get jailed. This isn't supposed to be for anyones benefit, people need to be punished according to how bad their crime is, giving minor punishements for major things won't help anyone and vice versa

Well, it's their fault why they got banned. Did something wrong? You pay the price. I know this is a game but you need to learn that. With the ban system, offenders would just keep doing stuff over and over.

It's better to keep the jail system. Instead of adding the old one back, maybe just lower the time needed to mine 1 rock.

Like what Tash said, "Don't play? we don't care."

Jail is much better than getting banned, from a players point of view, because when you get banned for lets say 2 months, they can just go onto another account and play and wait the 2 months.
However if you get jailed, you have to actaully mine the rocks, yes you can evade the jail but you wont get your account back like if you are banned.
When tash implimented the jail system, my god i loved him for that, it doesnt ruin my fun of graal as hackers or players who have done bad things cant play really, if they evade a ban they can still hack, swear, inappropriate behaviour, whatever they done can still be done on a noob acccount.
Please dont remove this jail system, mining rocks is more of a deterrent than banning someone


Also if they get jailed, for hacking or something, and then they get lots of rocks to mine, they might not want to mine, meaning they might just abandon pkaying graal as a whole, meaning one less horrible person to deal with.

Yes it is their fault so they must pay, also i love tashkins quote on that, had that as my sig for 2 years :3

Some hackers dont ruin game play and their just probably testing it out so I see a lot of baisism in you.

I would +rep for funniest thing I heard today, but I won't because I think you're actually serious. Hacking isn't allowed. So if you want to test hacks out, then that sucks for you when you get jailed. Testing a hack is still hacking.

Testing out hacks for a whole year sure is fun. It is just testing, right? Right?

I'm just testing a hack to get me 1M gralats, but I'm not actually hacking so please don't jail me, ok?

Lol again demonstration what if it was a one time thing NOOB PP U HATE EVERTING I SAY. Ill make sure skt doesnt give u de 50 $

No worries, I will just reset and ban you <3

Then you get a one-time ban?

U mean IP ban

Hugop why arent you answering to my pms to u

normal ban == ip ban

What PMs? I am offline on playeraccount and staffaccount.

On the forums noob

Holy crap. 5 pages in 11 hours? I'll read this all later but on mobile and I CBA.

Someones already said this probably, but I find it ridiculous how players don't get proof of what they've done. We have logs right? Send them to the player. Or even within reasonable suspicion, we should be thoroughly explainer why they believe that we had done something wrong.

Amer was recently banned because they caught him bugging out. Knowing "[he has] a hacking record" they jailed him. Like wot? Where's the proof in that?

Even just giving the player actual reasoning and proof would also make tickets much easier to justify and send out.

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I agree, i asked for evidence onceon classic so idk about zone, and they didn't give any, so in my mind they didn't have any evidence i did something. so i think there should be something admins can give as proof for a jail or ban.

They don't on Zone either. Honestly evidence wouldn't matter. Most people know what they did, and still deny it. If theh saw evidence, they would say it was photoshopped or rigged in some way and still deny it. The only problem is you need someone trustworthy to review jail appeals.

True, from what i stated above when i asked for evidence, they said they had none, and this was for hacking which i don't hack, i knew i didn't hack, so they unbanned me because they had no proof i did, just some persons word.
And they prob thought i was speed hacking cuz i lagged or something.

On the other hand, most people know what they didn't do and get butthurt because they were never given proof and they still weren't unbanned

Also the logs are bad. I once randomly lost a sabre. I have photos before it happened of me owning a sabre.

Told tash.

There were never any logs of me owning a sabre.

So the logs are trash.


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That glitch happened to me with an electro hat of mine a while ago. I had actually just showed it to Alex a couple days before, and I told him it just vanished from my inventory, so he checked trade logs and saw I never traded it so he added it back to me. There's no log for items you've had, only a list of what you currently have, so no, they wouldn't be able to check that you had a saber beforehand. I got lucky, though.