No more freedom in school
 

So i have this project in school, and i was assigned to write about why abortion is good. My project is for abortion, and the other guy is against it, its like a debate against each other on why its good or bad. Now, remember that thread about that fight i got into? Yeah, well since i was suspended when the project was assigned, i wasn't given the chance to choose if i was for or against abortion. Now i'm stuck writing about how abortion is good which i completely disagree with.

I confronted the teacher and told her i couldnt write and debate on such a subject. I asked her if i could switch to writing about being against abortion, but she said it was already taken and i have to work with what i have. I told her i wouldn do it and she said i fail her class if i didnt.

What the **** is this? In school you cant even talk about religion or politics and this person has me debating for something i dont even believe in? What kind of crap is that? There's this other group thats debating for and against who created the world, science or God? Absolutely ridiculous!

When you have to write an expository essay it doesn't matter if you are personally for or against it, the point is for you to do the research and provide an argument. Who knows, maybe you'll learn something you didn't know.

The irony.

And do you yourself agree with this? That's basically what I'm asking.*I have to present and debate against some kid on something I don't even believe in? Does that in he slightest make any sense to you?

Same goes for you buster!

Education is about broadening your horizons and learning to think critically for yourself. Narrowing your views and education to what you like means you're not learning the full story, and thus you have a biased viewpoint. The more educated you are about a topic, from all angles, the more likely people will take your arguments seriously.

You don't have to believe in what you're saying, you just have to approach it factually. State the facts as to why abortion is good. You may not have to agree with them, but if the facts say "abortion decreases poverty by 20% in areas where it's readily accessible," then that's what the facts say. There are enough pros and cons for all topics that even after you write this essay you'll still probably have plenty of reasons to disagree with abortion. But you'll walk away more educated.

Thats the point of an expository essay.

You don't have to believe in the topic, this is just meant to improve your note-taking skills, research methods and general writing experience.

I'm honestly 89% sure you're making this all up since there are few schools in the US that would bother having their kids write about such controversial topics such as abortion and religion.

Not worth all the angry emails from protective parents.

You should probably take this opportunity to learn more about literary analysis since you clearly don't know what irony is.

Just do the God damn essay and stop complaining.

Normally in a debate you would think of either side of the argument. (Being able to contradict your own points).

You may be stuck with arguing a side of an argument that you do not necesarilly believe in, however this is a good learning process, and may actually teach you new ways of thinking.

In terms of you being angry at not being able to do topics that you like more, most of the time a vast amount of topics can be used to debate in a certain topic.
For example, in the case of "For Abortion", you could mention many Catholics views, that life begins at Conception, and therefore abortion for them is murder, and thus goes against the commandment of "do not kill". Also life is God given in many Catholics opinion, and therefore life is sacred, and only God can take away life. I do not personally believe these things, but I recall debating these points when I was in your situation a year or two ago. There is a huge possibility of things you can say, and each new point is an extra bit of knowledge for you.

Conclusion.
Just because you have to debate in a certain side, does not mean you have to believe what you are arguing. Trying to debate both sides of the argument, will really make you get a better idea of that topic.
Also as others have said, when debating you do not necessarily have to agree with what you are saying, it is all part of the learning process.

Goodluck.

I love this argument.
Science of course. Anyone who wants to challenge that, send me a PM. :)

It is not about freedom, it is about your future. If you don't do it because you don't like it, then you maybe won't be able to get your favourite job and have to do something you don't like for life, or refuse to work and live under a bridge.

You need to get used to bad luck and rules, it's what life is.

Maybe if you hadn't gotten yourself suspended in the first place you wouldn't have this debate topic.

Just go with it is what your saying. If someone told me to touch the oven, I should do It, so next time I learn not to. If someone told me to kill myself? I should do it right? Because I'm learning new things and broadening my education. I can learn how hot an oven really Is, or hey, I can experience death for myself! FUN! There are some things that don't need to be learned in life. I don't want to learn why abortion Is good because I know it's not. I shouldn't be forced to say something I dont want to say. It's wrong.*

Have you ever tried convincing a gay guy to not be gay anymore? Have you ever tried convincing an atheist (yeah I went there) to not be one and turn to Christ? Tell me how that went for you.

My point is there are some things you can't convince people, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do is wrong. Well I should speak for myself since I did question a few religions on multiple forums here and there, but I was never forcing them to do it just informing.....constantly....and persistently....yeah I never give up do I?*

Hey, don't use the lords name in vain!

It's not about life or death, or your sexuality. It's about understanding something that is extremely important from both perspectives. You don't have comfortable with it. That's not how learning works.

Just do the essay. It's a life skill to be able to argue towards a particular point, and doing the research will give you more information about the other side.

For instance, I used to love big government and policies like free college tuition. But after taking a class in economics, I realized that there is another perspective to these issues. It's not just "people who believe in small government are assholes".

What the hell? I know what irony means! Isn't it like that shiny silver thingy in minecraft?

OH, and another thing! Okay, this ones for you Dusty and 5hift. If I asked you to suck some guys ****. You would do it right, because you learning new things right?

not to b a **** but ur teacher does not give two ****s about ur opinion or ur problems and neither does the majority of people here so stop complaining and just do the essay.

or dont i mean its ur F not ours

Your not being asked to abort a fetus. What the **** are you on?

Writing a paper on why sucking another mans **** should be legal is something I wouldn't have a problem doing.

You know what DJ Meow just get over it life never goes the way you want so just stop posting here Colin should have banned you forever because of the survival of the fittest thread but he was nice you see that's a time when life is nice to you. But life isn't always like that it has to slap you in the face before you get anything good.

******ation can't be cured but can only be lessened.

But that's thing. Your attitude towards the subject shows that you haven't studied what you are going to be arguing.
Education just provides an extra bit of knowledge that you can use if you would like. You do not have to use it after you have learnt it. (Your loss). It is just important that you learn these things.
Abortion can be good in some circumstances.
For example, in the case of a "Double Effect" where the Egg is trapped in the fallopian tube of a mother, would you allow abortion then? Even many Catholics allow abortion in this circumstance. As in this case, both the Mother and the Child will die. However an abortion means that the Foetus can be removed, and the mother will survive.
Would you not allow this? For example, don't take this too personally, but theoretically, if your mother was to have an egg stuck in her fallopian tube, would you allow her death, and the death of the child, rather than allow her to abort, and thus saving her life?

Stop. You going to make me cry. :'(

I MIGHT AS WELL BE! ****, got me writin an essay on this bull bull.

You took a vote on that thread so I guess your a victim too!

No I'm saying educate yourself. No one is telling you to hurt yourself, they're trying to teach you to think outside of your comfort zone. Sitting in a little isolated bubble and only seeing things as you want to see them is bad for you. You don't have to believe what you write, you just have to write it. How many essays did you write about stupid **** that you don't care about? It didn't matter because you didn't care, but now that you do it's suddenly different? Like anyone in school gave a **** about Animal farm? Or that they agreed with what George Orwell was writing? But better believe they expected you to write an essay about what was so important about it!

I could write an essay about the pros of homosexuality and what good it can be for the world. Of course I am not homosexual and I don't think it would actually be good for the world, but I'm sure I could find some pros and write about it.

Ya, and such close-mindedness is really a good thing huh... At this point I'm wondering if you're too scared to see the other side because it might make a little too much sense.

Hey. Now that's not nice! :'(

I'm typing in white text because if 5hift sees what I wrote. He's gonna beat me up.

Not everything in life is black and white. Your teacher isn't asking you to abort a child. You're supposed to be researching the topic and gaining knowledge about it. Then demonstrating your knowledge of the subject in the debate. It's like when you're summoned for jury duty. You can't just blindly go against the defendant because they're accused of committing a crime. You have to put your bias aside and listen to the facts. It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the crime, you have to be able to think rationally based on the facts. This is how our legal system works. If you can't debate about why abortion can be good, then you're just blindly looking at one side, and ignoring the other side of things. It's pretty selfish to think your way is the best way without researching for yourself, which is what your teacher is having you do. Besides, she gave people an option in the first place as you said. Shouldn't have gotten into a fight.

Bernie Sanders wants to send kids like this to college.
JK, I'm sure Bernie isn't that dumb.

Woah, dude. You a mind reader or something?

I'm just confused on why a school system would give such a controversial topic to an elementary schooler.

Precisely.

First off how do you even make an essay agreeing to abortion?

It reduces poverty rates, woman should be able to control their body etc.

Dont actually start arguing im just giving examples.

Metals Points + Double Effect (The Best Argument), etc..

The point of debating is not to change the world, but to improve your ability to provide an argument. It's as simple as that. I hate to say this but you being a 14 year old student talking about why abortion is good isn't going to make any laws or turn all of America (or whatever country you're from) into abortion-loving psycopaths. Thus, it's safe to argue whatever you like because it won't matter at all. Have to argue ISIS is great? well you might get arrested but you can say that because it's not going to change the Government into supporting ISIS and bombing Europe.

You're going to be given what you're given because one day in later life, you're going to have to argue against what you believe in, especially if you're a lawyer or politician or simply trying to suck up to your boss. You can't argue your side all the time, no matter how big or small.

By exposing yourself to the other side of the argument, you are opening your mind to other's experiences. Here's something for you. I 100% hate fossil fuels and think they are awful. But, I recently had to debate for fossil fuels, and said that planes and major transportation devices rely on fossil fuels. I lost, because I didn't have much experience in fossil fuels (to be fair it was a short-prep and there were 2 other people so), but it did mean that I was more open to the conditions of the world.


Note: sorry for the bad writing. it's like 8:am and i got no sleep last night at all and have to rush coz school. damn now i have no time for my make-up i hope youre happy
damn i almost wrote an essay on why you should debate lol. there's a reason for you; i debate and it's made essay writing x10 easier for me as I practically write an essay every week lol.

You do realize you're discussing a topic and researching it, It's not like they asked you to punch a pregnant woman in the stomach.

Dusty's right. It's providing an argument, not sharing your personal opinion. There are times abortion is good. You just need to research other peoples' sides and develop an argument for it.

I wish I got to write essays like that in school. We always had to do life story essays, which I found exceptionally boring and repetitive.

No one is asking you for your opinions.
Your teacher only wants you to write an essay with FACTS, not WHAT YOU THINK.
I wish my school make me write essays on disputes like this. My classes always make me write essays about what we read in class, what we learned, and life, which is pretty boring.

Just write it lol. Research it, and write it.
Not that hard and it allows you to see both sides of the spectrum.

there is no freedom in US schools

one of the most liberating things i experienced was when we moved from the US to Sweden. here you can pretty much leave campus during breaks and do whatever you want in town so long as you're back in time for the next class.

How does one apply for citizenship

Oh wow.
That sounds fun.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't universities pretty much anywhere have the same thing?

universities? lmao im talking about elementary and above

TF, that's kinda messed up for younger students.

really isnt, you'll understand freedom one day~~~

For elementary students I can understand the problem with letting them leave school unattended. In some states you're too young to be alone by yourself until you hit middle school, so it wouldn't make sense to let children leave school premises without supervision until then. After all, in America schools are held responsible for children safety and everyone here is very sue-happy.

Absolutely, in my town the elementary school is across the street from a gun store, and a bar. The only other things around are a liquor store and a subway. (*********s) Definitely not the best to let kids run around freely in this area.

Wtf that is dangerous. Who lets elementary kids roam the streets unsupervised??

naw i think this is some bull ****. im suing and taking them court

I knew someone who lived in France and moved to the U.S. in middle school, and he said in his elementary school, they got to leave for a 2 hour lunch break each day. In America, you can't even leave the classroom without permission, and my high school actually started getting after teachers for letting students leave the classroom during class at all.

lel @ all the americans freaking out at the thought of freedom

to be honest im not sure when they start letting kids do it but we most def did it in middle school. it's also common for kids to hop on the trams/buses (not school buses) and go home by themselves.

HEY! WAY OFF TOPIC! Go make a thread and cry to your mommy about it ok! This is about me!!!

Pay more attention to you?

Ok.

You're as dumb as a stump.

He's a stump he doesn't have eyes or ears so he doesn't understand your language