Ladybugs (and other bug issues)
 

For some reason ladybugs are only selling for 8 gralats now. I know that has to be a mistake because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So, please get that fixed.

Also, bees still aren't spawning. Since their value was destroyed, there's no reason they shouldn't be spawning. I've brought this up before. Are bees going the way of spiders? I just want to know if them not spawning is intentional. Because it seems much more likely that no one remembered to put them back after they were removed for the winter (given that in the past, they spawned through all seasons).

I do hope that nerfing current methods of getting bugs means we will get some new methods in the close future

Well why were ladybugs nerfed in the first place? Was there some kind of ladybug farming method I wasn't aware of that people were taking advantage of? (I haven't been very active lately)

I don't get it. That's why I assume it was a mistake.

I thought maybe they were nerfing the prices of all the bugs across the board, but all the other prices are the same. Just ladybugs. I'm very confused.

Ladybug prices dropped because they were spawning like crazy for some reason yesterday. People were collecting hundreds of them in a matter of minutes.

Some might say that they kind of.... bugged out... *buh dum tss*

Ladybugs were spawning out of control and the bug spawning system is too broken right now to focus on overhauling it, so until spawning is fixed the prices were lowered. It wasn't uncommon to enter some levels and find about 20 ladybugs flying around.

Same reason roaches are completely gone now as well.

Just say they were bugging out.

*buh dum tss*

a lot of people started catching ladybugs, those who saved them for the day they were worth x1.5 made from 50-200k. it was probably the most efficient method to gain gralats, especially for the few days that their spawn rate was increased by a lot.

Ohh okay. I figured something like that must have happened.

Thank you Dusty and Coco for explaining it.

Oh no, roaches are completely gone? Dammit Dusty, I use them in my house for furniture purposes. And I recently sold my 80-some roaches (it was roach day and I needed gralats). I never would have sold them had I known they'd be removed. Ugh, this is what bothers me.

Would it be possible to return these bugs (roaches, bees, ladybugs.. spiders?) to the game and simply just make them un-sellable? (Maybe categorize them differently from the current bugs of the same type) For those of us that just use them for house-design purposes?

Pleeeaaase? As long as they can't be sold, there's no harm if any of them bug out again. *ba dum tss*

Will the prices be fixed once the ladybug system is fixed?

Glad I sold my ladybugs before they reduced the amount for trading them in

There is harm when there are hundreds of them and they don't despawn, sadly.

Okay, last idea; Let us buy these bugs? (at a price that's double what they're worth on a 1.5x day, so absolutely no profit can be made).

Throw in an NPC somewhere in the railroad caves that sells the bugs that no longer spawn due to these issues. It can just be temporary. Even if he's just there for a month. Just to give people who want these bugs for house decor-purposes a chance to buy them if they so choose, given the fact that they were abruptly removed because of spawning issues.

I know I'm not the only one who would really appreciate this.

sell something that is supposed to be obtained by doing a certain activity and is more of a trophy rather than a decorative furniture item? doesn't sound like a solid idea to me. on the other hand, I would LOVE to see a way to display bugs in a stationary form rather than set them free in your house. like, a jar, or a frame of some sort.

http://i.imgur.com/5zcftjX.jpg

I'm only talking about the bugs that were recently and abruptly removed. And some people (like myself) do use bugs as "decorative furniture". Yes, there are rare bugs that are indeed usually displayed as "trophies". I'm talking about roaches (as well as ladybugs and bees, but mainly roaches), one of the most common bugs in the game, and a very useful bug for house-design purposes (example: placing them around food, giving the impression it's been sitting out for a while).

And regarding ladybugs; I currently use the lava-themed house. And I have a section that's full of grass, water, and wildlife. And I use certain bugs to help depict that (ladybugs being one of them).

Those are just a couple examples as to how some bugs are in fact useable for house design purposes.

Edit - Okay so I didn't realize ladybugs were still spawning. I just assumed they'd have been removed. Any chance you could put roaches and bees back for a limited time at least? If ladybugs are still spawning despite this recent incident, then why are bees and roaches gone? (As I recall, this over-spawning incident happened once with bees, but that was only because someone tweaked the code wrong, and their value was hugely nerfed anyway. And I don't know what happened with roaches, but they had been working fine for a long time, so.. c'mon!)

So well is this a sign for fishing to be added

I accidentally sold 697 normal ladybugs on black ladybug day because I didn't read it right, oops. At least it wasn't nerfed at that time lol

What about us who didnt take advantage of the broken spawn and collected 500 ladybugs over the years

So in the future, where the spawn rate is fixed, will the prices return to what they were?

Yes.

Cool thanks

They've been spawning like crazy for the past month.

Ask Mirts he know what he does.

So you're saying that the bugs are too buggy?

Shoo, I already made that pun.

Can I get this straight...you made them a cheaper sell price so that it is harder to earn gralats without paying for them? Because, that seems to be what's occuring.

I think the same thing happened to the bees... but hey, can you blame a company for wanting to secure it's business?

What would be the point of having gralat packs if people can just get bees and ladybugs like crazy, and sell them at high prices?

No, we made the cheaper sell price because they were broken and basically pouring a bunch of unintended gralats into the playerbase. We never lowered their price before when they spawned as intended, did we?

But you know, try to make it out as some sort of evil-conspiracy if you want.

I personally thought the "ladybug swarm" was really cool and fun, I thought that you guys did it as a special event. I'd say do it again if it wasn't a bug

No need to get so defensive, I wasn't attacking any of you. It was just a question, but I guess I never noticed there being a crazy amount of ladybugs that day, compared to days before.

I guess I wasn't on at the time it happened. Sorry.

it really bugs me when im not the first to make the pun.
:(

Doosty can we have ants on classic?

Okay, I can see there's no hurry to fix/return these bugs, and my suggestion about an NPC that sells the bugs no longer spawning isn't going to happen, but can I at least get a definitive answer to a couple questions?

Firstly, I never got any response regarding bees. We were told they were removed for the winter (because they were never supposed to spawn during the winter). Why have they not returned? Is this a mistake or working as intended?

Secondly, why exactly were cockroaches removed in the first place? Because they started spawning out of control like ladybugs? I noticed a few months back that their speed was significantly reduced. Could you not set their speed back to what it used to be? They were much harder to catch. It's the main reason no one ever really farmed them.

The railroad caves just feel so empty without them. And the bathrooms in the railroad shop just don't feel the same without roaches running around..

But, as I came to realize, ladybugs are still spawning. You didn't remove them. You fixed the issue, and significantly lowered their value. So why did cockroaches have to be removed? Why are bees seemingly removed?

Bugs (insects, not glitches) are an important part of Classic, for earning gralats (which we all know there aren't a whole lot of different ways to go about doing), placement in houses (either as "trophies" or decor), and distinction between seasons (like how fireflies only spawn in fall, and a number of bugs only spawn in summer).

I don't like when bugs disappear abruptly. I still miss spiders..

They're going until further notice. Having bugs that spawn due to player action was a mistake. Players found this out and found out how to make a lot of money.

http://i.imgur.com/LBqBRxO.png

They were slowed down because faster = more ticks = more cpu usage.

I miss them too.

They may be working as intended... until they're not. That's the problem. We can't risk having bugs spawn out of control for days like the ladybugs were before. Players love not reporting this stuff so it's hard to notice.

They are important, that's why a complete overhaul is needed to the entire system. Sadly this can't be done right now as there are more important things being worked on.

How to catch ladybugs? Always when I try, they fly away and someone else catch them :(

They have been a little laggier recently, along with the giant blob

Cough cough... bees haven't been 'fixed'.

And to think I thought Ol west bug system was a mess lol

will ladybugs go back to their previous value? I'm waiting to sell like 115 of them

Well, with all due respect, "bee farming" had been going on for a very long time. The reason behind why people were suddenly making so much money (other than that brief period when the bee spawn rate was accidentally raised to like 100%) was the release of Destiny, and grass that spawned bees.

Bees have a chance of spawning from green gralats. That's how they're spawned (and obviously green gralats spawn much more frequently in grass than bushes). Originally it was just bushes that spawned bees. There were were a few grass locations that showed up, but they were small, and thus overcrowded anyway (especially once more people discovered them).

Destiny added a whole CRAPLOAD of bee-spawning grass.

The difference between farming bees in bushes and grass was night and day. And again, once more people discovered all these grass locations in Destiny, that's where they farmed. It was too lucrative, so bee prices were brutally nerfed. I guess I'm a tad confused as to why they're not spawning but ladybugs are. No one's making good money off bees anymore at their current value.

Speaking of ladybugs, they may still be spawning, but they're worth as much as a dragonfly. Would it be at all possible to re-classify the current non-bugged ladybugs and put back their original price? I love bug farming now that summer's here. But ladybugs have basically been removed from the equation given their incredibly minuscule sell value.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my messages, by the way, Dusty.

Bee's will never be worthwhile after their 3x price nerf. It was nerfed wayyyy too hard, it probably needed one, but not to the point of where there isn't a point of doing it. Catching other bugs barely even seems worthwhile. I feel as if bugs could use a tiny bit of bump in selling pricing without hurting the graal economy too much (+1 to 5g), even though that probably won't happen. Other activity's just seem to outshine bug catching at the moment. I wouldn't really blame players for not reporting stuff since the in game reporting functions are pretty shady/not very good and a vast majority of Graal doesn't know graalians exists.

Well, that's true for 9 months out of the year. However, the summer season (which just started) introduces an influx of new bugs and high spawn rates. And even with the recent nerfs and removals is still the time to catch bugs.

But that is only 3 months out of the year. Winter has no bugs, Fall has very few, and Spring has some (though, with ladybugs now being near-worthless.. ehh).