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Illusions 05-25-2016 12:05 AM

Will Trump Really **** America?
 
Trump could make the US great, internally, but externally, I'm scared. Am I getting paranoid that he will attack my country or something, or another country, or even get another country to **** us up?

Nabu Lapse 05-25-2016 12:06 AM

still better than Hilary

Illusions 05-25-2016 12:08 AM

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 707788)
still better than Hilary

Well, they both can potentially **** the US to hell :(

Brick 05-25-2016 12:11 AM

It's best to not worry about things you have no control over

Illusions 05-25-2016 12:16 AM

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Posted by Brick (Post 707794)
It's best to not worry about things you have no control over

Well, it is in the future, or maybe even now, but I am the slightest bit scared, which could make me depressed once he becomes the president.

Alexmo 05-25-2016 12:18 AM

Would you want me as president. If not were probably better off with Trump

Distorted_P2P 05-25-2016 12:36 AM

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Posted by Brick (Post 707794)
It's best to not worry about things you have no control over

this is the greatest way of looking at it

and also guys it's not like they can just become Hitler or some ****, we got a democracy, there's rules and limits set up to prevent that

the only thing I'm worrying about is America's image, if Trump gets elected nobody would take us seriously

Illusions 05-25-2016 12:38 AM

Nice idea Dist, but he can still imitate other countries, or that's what I think.
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Posted by Alexmo (Post 707798)
Would you want me as president. If not were probably better off with Trump

Please **** off, you are annoying.

Nabu Lapse 05-25-2016 12:40 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 707804)
this is the greatest way of looking at it

and also guys it's not like they can just become Hitler or some ****, we got a democracy, there's rules and limits set up to prevent that

the only thing I'm worrying about is America's image, if Trump gets elected nobody would take us seriously

this

People don't realize that the president really doesn't have that much power, there are certainly limits to what they can do. So yeah, we'd look like fools for electing Trump, but it's not like the whole country is going to fall into chaos like people keep implying.

Khai 05-25-2016 12:41 AM

Bernie!

Sir 05-25-2016 01:14 AM

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Posted by Alexmo (Post 707798)
Would you want me as president. If not were probably better off with Trump

you're Hillary Clinton? This explains so much.

Thallen 05-25-2016 01:30 AM

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Posted by Illusions (Post 707787)
Am I getting paranoid that he will attack my country or something, or another country, or even get another country to **** us up?

?...

worry about politics when you're older

PigParty 05-25-2016 01:40 AM

I don't really get the belief that Trump would cause wars or end up ****ing America over. Like previously stated, a President only has so much power. That doesn't mean it's powerless - far from it in fact. Trump has a big mouth, and that's pretty much it. He's not racist, he's not sexist (well, possibly not entirely true). He's an opportunist who thinks less of anyone who attacks him. I do think he may view some women more as sexual objects... Not sure if that's actual sexism or not. I guess it's left to the interpretation of sexism. That's just who he is, though. That doesn't mean he would screw over those, or any other types of people in America. Besides, he nonstop bashes the Iraq war. I'm pretty sure that war is one of the last things he would ever do. He's more of a talking/insult person. Plus he may fight "wars" in a smarter way by doing it economically. That's my beliefs about him. You can disagree all you want if you choose to.

5hift 05-25-2016 01:45 AM

People said Obama would **** America.

And so far, I'd say I prefer Obama over any of these degenerates we call "candidates".

Anyways, I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Trump will "****" America.

I kinda want to hear the reason you'd think so.

And if you give me any worthless SJW garbage about him kicking out immigrants or something then just stop.

GlazeyB 05-25-2016 02:12 AM

he's running as great businessman

he's really not.

twilit 05-25-2016 02:16 AM

Telling from your sidebar, youre "somewhere in Europe," so youre safe as long as you dont move to mexico or become muslim.

5hift 05-25-2016 02:17 AM

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Posted by twilit (Post 707838)
Telling from your sidebar, youre "somewhere in Europe," so youre safe as long as you dont move to mexico or become muslim.

"Somewhere in Europe" is safe?

Bruh, literally every major terrorist attack on western nations done by ISIS has been in Europe.

Dolan Drumpf getting elected in America should be the least of this kid's worries.

CM 05-25-2016 05:38 AM

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Posted by Illusions (Post 707787)
Trump could make the US great, internally, but externally, I'm scared. Am I getting paranoid that he will attack my country or something, or another country, or even get another country to **** us up?

Countries don't just declare war on each other because they're bored, ya know

Thallen 05-25-2016 05:44 AM

I think you're vastly overestimating the power of the POTUS... It's not like he can say "bomb Canada" or "kill all gay people" or "make abortion illegal" and it just happens, that's not how the US government works or anything

Skyzer 05-25-2016 07:19 AM

The worst he can do is get impeached.

Distorted_P2P 05-25-2016 07:27 AM

I mean the policies he's trying to enforce more aren't even THAT bad to be honest... Like yeah, I don't think illegal immigration is super horrible, but it wouldn't hurt us to make them go through the process just like every other immigrant has to. We don't have open borders for a reason.

Aside from that though, I thought he was just a huge troll at first. Can't believe how far this 'campaign' of his has come. Really shows how our intelligence as a nation has deteriorated over time. Can't say I feel the same pride I used to for America.

As for Hillary, well there's a reason her husband cheated on her.

Fulgore 05-25-2016 08:35 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 707893)
I mean the policies he's trying to enforce more aren't even THAT bad to be honest... Like yeah, I don't think illegal immigration is super horrible, but it wouldn't hurt us to make them go through the process just like every other immigrant has to. We don't have open borders for a reason.

Aside from that though, I thought he was just a huge troll at first. Can't believe how far this 'campaign' of his has come. Really shows how our intelligence as a nation has deteriorated over time. Can't say I feel the same pride I used to for America.

As for Hillary, well there's a reason her husband cheated on her.

What "American Pride" have you even been alive for??

Bill Clinton? Bush? Obama?

I'm still waiting for the day to experience something like that coming from a President alone. Not saying that America sucks, people implying "America was never great" or that "America sucks now" are stupid.

Yog 05-25-2016 08:57 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 707913)
What "American Pride" have you even been alive for??

Bill Clinton? Bush? Obama?

I'm still waiting for the day to experience something like that coming from a President alone. Not saying that America sucks, people implying "America was never great" or that "America sucks now" are stupid.

Well I mean idk what exactly Trump thinks was the golden age of America. Not many people are fans of segregation anymore.

Illusions 05-25-2016 11:57 AM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 707834)
People said Obama would **** America.

And so far, I'd say I prefer Obama over any of these degenerates we call "candidates".

Anyways, I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Trump will "****" America.

I kinda want to hear the reason you'd think so.

And if you give me any worthless SJW garbage about him kicking out immigrants or something then just stop.

My opinion, I hate Obama..

Sardon 05-25-2016 12:45 PM

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 707788)
still better than Hilary

hitlery

5hift 05-25-2016 01:25 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 707916)
Well I mean idk what exactly Trump thinks was the golden age of America. Not many people are fans of segregation anymore.

Lol what?

So voting for Trump will bring back segregation?

Lol. Just lol.

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Posted by Illusions (Post 707934)
My opinion, I hate Obama..

Yeah, yeah, you hate some president that barely even affects you.

Stay in school and worry about your own country.

Ryan 05-25-2016 01:35 PM

America is best prank

PigParty 05-25-2016 02:01 PM

Trump isn't going to **** America. He's going to get Mexico to pay for a HUGE, BEAUTIFUL wall. He's going to be BFFs with Putin, and he's going to stop terrorism in America!!!

Yog 05-25-2016 02:11 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 707968)
Lol what?

So voting for Trump will bring back segregation?

Lol. Just lol.

You do a really good job at misinterpreting what I'm implying.

5hift 05-25-2016 02:13 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 707987)
You do a really good job at misinterpreting what I'm implying.

You do a really good job at implying things.

Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

Vicipower 05-25-2016 02:15 PM

meanwhile in austria
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/1174503...-freedom-party

Crono 05-25-2016 02:30 PM

trump is gonna own man. bernie is nice and all but in reality (aka not on reddit) he isn't going to win.

Yog 05-25-2016 02:37 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 707997)
trump is gonna own man. bernie is nice and all but in reality (aka not on reddit) he isn't going to win.

Ya even if Sanders doesn't win I really admired his campaign. It could've been pulled off even better imo but I think it's gonna have an impact on future elections. Same with Trump though.

He isn't going down without a fight though!

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Posted by 5hift (Post 707989)
You do a really good job at implying things.

Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

I'm implying that this "golden age" Trump keeps bringing up is bull****. Sure the wealthy white male was doing pretty good for themselves, but any other gender or race?

I'm not saying that Trump will bring back segregation. I'm saying that America has improved a lot socially.

Idk why I need to explain this to you

Crono 05-25-2016 02:43 PM

thing about trump winning is that there's finally gonna be someone who's not in either of the parties. the US really needs it, this whole 2 party system is stupid and polarizes both folks and their representatives.

Yog 05-25-2016 02:45 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 707999)
thing about trump winning is that there's finally gonna be someone who's not in either of the parties. the US really needs it, this whole 2 party system is stupid and polarizes both folks and their representatives.

Ya but once elections end no one really gives a **** about how things work until we're at the elections again. And by that point it's to late.

PigParty 05-25-2016 04:14 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 707998)
Ya even if Sanders doesn't win I really admired his campaign. It could've been pulled off even better imo but I think it's gonna have an impact on future elections. Same with Trump though.

I liked Sander's campaign too, and I'm glad he's staying in the election. He's constantly growing, even now. Sadly, I don't think it will impact future elections. It's just like John Oliver said; we care about it right now since we're in the midst of the election, but we probably won't care again until the next election is already amidst. And as he said, you don't change the rules in the middle of the day. Trump even said that since he won, he doesn't care about how the primary is rigged. I think both campaigns brought up important issues, especially with the election process itself, but I sadly doubt change will come about because of it.

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Posted by Yog (Post 708002)
Ya but once elections end no one really gives a **** about how things work until we're at the elections again. And by that point it's to late.

Just read this after I did my post. :P

Thallen 05-25-2016 06:53 PM

kinda strange how that one state called "New Mexico" (with the highest % per 2000 population of Mexicans) was extremely violent during those protests last night
true revolutionaries, shouting "**** the police" to get their brilliant message across

I especially liked the part where they were throwing bottles and rocks, jumping on cars, and starting fires
don't worry though, MSNBC and other American media will play it off as them "expressing their humanity"

they're the victims, always and unconditionally
us privileged Americans should see no issue in paying taxes for the 21 million illegal aliens that are getting free benefits

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T...


it's actually sickening how SJWs and American media try to brainwash us when it comes to multiculturalism and race issues
that first officer in the Freddie Gray case was acquitted and it's immediately "RACISM, WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL!" except it was a bench trial with a black judge

can't get more ****ed than this
Donald Trump isn't a perfect candidate, but I appreciate that he acknowledges these issues and isn't afraid to be honest about them

PigParty 05-25-2016 07:36 PM

Violent protestors are the ones who undermine the real issues. And yea, people play the race card too often, that again, it undermines the real issues. I'm pretty sure the police involved in Freddy Gray's death are at-fault, though. The entire system when it comes to discipline and trying police in court is flawed, so them getting away with something happens fairly often. Although, it's incidents like Michael Brown that undermine the real issues when they wrongly call that scenario out for racism and flawed court systems.

Every media outlet has bias; you just need to be able to identify it and interpret it from there. I see some Fox News broadcasters like O'Reilly say they're "fair and balanced" and then you watch the show and know that slogan is total bologna. I find it humorous that violent protestors at Trump rallies are just considered "violent protestors" while protestors at a Hillary Clinton rally are stated on the news as "Sanders supporting protestors". It's the subtle things that really show the unconscious and conscious bias in the media.

Bink 05-25-2016 07:45 PM

I like trump because hillary sucks and bernie will put us in 47 billion dollar dept "college for free?!" No

5hift 05-25-2016 08:04 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 707998)
I'm implying that this "golden age" Trump keeps bringing up is bull****. Sure the wealthy white male was doing pretty good for themselves, but any other gender or race?

I'm not saying that Trump will bring back segregation. I'm saying that America has improved a lot socially.

Idk why I need to explain this to you

Improved a lot socially?

Here you are, ragging on and on about white male privilege and how its a huge problem meanwhile there are actual problems out there other than a couple of rich billionaires who by the way, may have made their fortune without being white or privileged.

If you never said Trump would bring back segregation, why do you think everything is going to be bad when he possibly gets elected?

Why even mention segregation in your previous post about Trump?

Why am I even trying to explain anything to you when its just going to go back to the same BS argument?

Yog 05-25-2016 08:47 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 708076)
Improved a lot socially?

Here you are, ragging on and on about white male privilege and how its a huge problem meanwhile there are actual problems out there other than a couple of rich billionaires who by the way, may have made their fortune without being white or privileged.

If you never said Trump would bring back segregation, why do you think everything is going to be bad when he possibly gets elected?

Why even mention segregation in your previous post about Trump?

Why am I even trying to explain anything to you when its just going to go back to the same BS argument?

I said white privilege was a huge problem. I'm trying to say the golden age of American history is every day onward.

Yog 05-25-2016 09:31 PM

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Posted by CM (Post 708093)
They have a right to be angry, ngl. Trump pissed them off by calling them "rapists, drug dealers, thieves" at the start of his campaign, so I don't know what else he (or any of his supporters) should expect. If you piss off a majority of the minority, expect at least one of them to be angry.

To be fair he called illegal immigrants that. But **** context amiright?

CM 05-25-2016 09:34 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 708098)
To be fair he called illegal immigrants that. But **** context amiright?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6QEqoYgQxw

PigParty 05-25-2016 09:48 PM

I'm not saying people don't have a right to be angry, because they do. And they're justified at that. But there is no justification for physical violence, attacking the police, damaging cars, property, etc. Those are the kinds of people who deserve to be in jail. It doesn't matter what Trump, or anyone else says. It doesn't give them, or anyone of any race the right to harm property or others.

As with the "free benefits" thing... I mean, it's true in some ways. Their lives aren't great. They aren't rich. No one said they were. But it's true that people are living off of government benefits. That hinders their own lives, and America as a whole. The government should provide programs, temporary benefits, job search, and more for people going through economic struggles, but simply giving them money with no help or requirements for them to try to improve their own lives is bad. It's like with homeless people. I don't give them cash, since I don't know what they'll buy. However, I would give them coupons for meals or something like that. The gov. shouldn't blindly give money to people who do need money, because people recognize they do that and abuse it. The gov. should focus more on services they can provide, rather than paychecks.

Thallen 05-25-2016 09:51 PM

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Posted by CM (Post 708093)
They have a right to be angry, ngl. Trump pissed them off by calling them "rapists, drug dealers, thieves" at the start of his campaign, so I don't know what else he (or any of his supporters) should expect. If you piss off a majority of the minority, expect at least one of them to be angry.

He said it about "the people Mexico are sending over," implying they are allowing illegal immigrants to pass the border so that they don't have to put up with them (in the case of criminals). Statistics show that he's correct:
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Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals are being deported. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs, Vaughan said. As of August, ICE had already released at least 10,246 criminal aliens.
Majority or not, there are a large number of illegal immigrants coming in through Mexico that are criminals.
The way Mexicans prove him wrong is by committing criminal acts during protests? If they're such great people, why don't they just go through the legal process?



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Posted by CM (Post 708093)
As for what they did, well, I don't see how "**** the police" is any worse than calling multiple women "fat pigs" on national television.

I do... Calling Rosie O'Donnel a "fat pig" was not a criminal offense and didn't endanger anyone's safety, unlike shouting "**** the police" while throwing bottles and rocks at them...
Why point out that she's a woman? If I called you a fat pig, no one would highlight the gender specifics of it.



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Posted by CM (Post 708093)
Trump came in and said "Mexicans are rapists! Mexicans are drug dealers! Mexicans this, Mexicans that!" Yeah, okay, cool, but at what point is any of this being "honest"?

Nah, you're race-baiting again. There's a reason people come here from Mexico illegally. He did not say that about every Mexican, but you guys want to paint it that way to continue to incite people against him. Trump has never singled out any Mexican that has come here through the legal process and told them that they're bad or wrong.



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Posted by CM (Post 708093)
"Free benefits" yeah I bet they're really living it up in America. Their lives must be fantastic. It's almost like they never had to leave their own home country in order to even have a chance at a better life.

Not our problem. Mexico needs to take care of itself. They don't get a free pass to break our laws just because Mexico isn't the greatest place to live. The same goes for the Middle East. The US doesn't have to pay for the failures of these countries through illegal immigration. It's not my family's fault, so we shouldn't have to be paying for it.

PigParty 05-25-2016 10:02 PM

It doesn't really matter whether illegal immigrants commit crimes or not. All that does is increase or decrease the sense of urgency to the issue. Something needs to be done to improve the border for preventing people from entering America illegally. The number of illegal immigrants America has is problematic. Something also needs to be done about the current people living here illegally. Whether they get deported, become legalized, or get their citizenship - something does need to be done about it. I don't blame people for coming here illegally if it would have taken too long - or have been implausible - for them to come here legally. In fact, if I was in their shoes, I would most likely do the exact same thing. It still doesn't take away from the fact that we have a problem that needs addressed. We can't allow everyone who wants to come into America. It's just implausible. Maybe the system that determines who gets accepted needs to be changed, but we still have the illegal immigration issue.

5hift 05-25-2016 10:14 PM

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Posted by PigParty (Post 708117)
It doesn't really matter whether illegal immigrants commit crimes or not. All that does is increase or decrease the sense of urgency to the issue.

Uh, what?

You bet your ass it matters if they commit crimes or not.

Why do you think this is such a big issue to begin with?

Oh wait, because it is and it has an incredible sense of urgency.

People should be free to immigrate here legally but those who did illegally have broken the law and need to be punished.

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Posted by Yog (Post 708086)
I said white privilege was a huge problem. I'm trying to say the golden age of American history is every day onward.

Then whats your point about Trump?

That he's gonna put down everyone that isn't a white male?

Load of ****, stop getting so paranoid that whatever privilege you have as somebody that isn't a white cis male is somehow going to magically disappear.

Nobody actually cares about privilege until they start making a huge deal about it.

PigParty 05-25-2016 10:42 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 708123)
Uh, what?
You bet your ass it matters if they commit crimes or not.
Why do you think this is such a big issue to begin with?
Oh wait, because it is and it has an incredible sense of urgency.
People should be free to immigrate here legally but those who did illegally have broken the law and need to be punished.

I believe you misread my post. How does it matter as it relates to whether illegal immigration is a problem or not whether illegal immigrants commit crimes or not? What matters is how many illegal immigrants we have. They can contribute to society, but they're still here illegally, which in itself is a problem. It doesn't matter if they commit crimes or not, they're here illegally and something needs to be dome about that. When you get more detailed, it definitely does matter if they commit crimes or not. Maybe ones that commit crimes would be deported while law-abiding ones become citizens. But in the grand scheme, crime doesn't matter when it comes to illegal immigration. The fact that they're here illegally is the problem as it pertains to that specific issue we've been discussing.

Yog 05-25-2016 11:09 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 708123)
Then whats your point about Trump?

Maybe you should read the ****ing posts I quote. Then you would understand it's directed towards people who think the Golden Age of America was before and of us were born.

Distorted_P2P 05-25-2016 11:13 PM

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Posted by Yog (Post 708159)
Maybe you should read the ****ing posts I quote. Then you would understand it's directed towards people who think the Golden Age of America was before and of us were born.

It depends on what your definition of the 'Golden Age' is. If it's technological or how far we've advanced/evolved, then of course it's the Golden Age right now. But if you're talking about human interaction then I'd have to agree with those people.

There's a lot of disgusting **** out there, maybe the internet just puts it in the spotlight and it was around out there but there's an abundance of disgusting humans right now.

Not to mention the amount of Homeless people have increased over time, so has drug usage, and murder.

Just putting that out there.


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