Why do the staff care about glitchers?
 

this may seem really stupid and ill probably get some rage comments but whatever. ive been wondering this for a while now.

for a while now glitchers have been going off map, exploring, having fun. and since the staff have taken huge steps in order to stop them. crowding the borders with ugly poorly placed trees, then tons of warps all over the place, spending time fixing the house jump, banning players on first offense for being caught off map, and taking other extensive measure to get rid of glitchers. theyve taken the largest measure recently removing all of the off map buildings and replacing them with grass.

my question is why? these guys are'nt hurting anyone by going off map. they're not revealing new areas because the staff does'nt even show them before they open. i mean i get it that you dont want them in the game, and that theyre breaking the rules, but is all this stuff necessary? i feel like your spending a lot of time on such a small cause that could be much better spent giving us actual content. especially since they aren't hurting anyone. they have fun running around exploring the areas which aren't; and probably never will be released. why? this is how a lot of people had fun in the game. while you shouldnt play a game just to break the rule, by fixing these your losing players and just saying "no you cant have fun this way". in my opinion graal has way bigger problems than glitchers. maybe we should be concentrating on that stuff instead. of course if you catch one jail him, and im not saying remove everything you've done, except maybe the ugly trees. but go easier on them since theyre not really doing anything harmful to the game, or the players. id also like to know why so much of the staff attention has been focused on this group of maybe 200 players at most at any one time.

The glitchers are violating rules and breaking into areas that arent allowed to be entered. Think about it. If you said nobody is allowed to enter you're house, but someone did. You would like call the cops or something right? Your pretty much saying sit there like a lump and do nothing about people busting through you're door and breaking in.

It only makes sense they they would fix glitches, they are flaws in the game. If they didn't care if people went off map than more people would do it, and that isn't what the game is for. There's nothing to see there and they might want to use that space to test stuff, it's not for us to know what's being worked on. Bottom line is they aren't going to allow it due to the simple fact that it would promote abuse of the game's flaws in order to do so.

A victimless crime is still a crime.

Well I guess I understand fixing them like house jump etc. but I still don't see the big deal. I know it's not what the games for and I'm not saying they should encourage it in just questioning why they spend so much time on such an insignificant matter. And I know it's not for us to know. But they don't even work in additions on the server now. I support this because while it was funny and cool seeing the new furn and hats before they're released from my friends, it's unfair. That neede to be fixed, getting items early, spreading unreleased content, etc. however since they did they still cut down on glitching a lot. They really began to cut down after Yorktown was released. This town wasn't able to be seen by glitching there. There were building there but they were from the original classic. When the town opened everything was new. I'm not saying to allow it. But I just feel like the time would be much better spent doing other things. Maybe if the staff didn't spend all their time fixing glitches and making quests people would stop to use the actual content. I used to only glitch when I was bored. I was bored from lack of content. There was lack of content partially because the staff were focusing on glitchers. And I don't know why. And I want to. Lol

The real reason is because people are watching other people do something they cannot do (either unable to or 'against the rules'), and they feel this act of "not everyone is equal" goes against their idea of fair treatment. Oh loawdy no! Please don't whips me, Masta!

So as a means to putting up with the consistent bitching, the staff are forced to "care".
While it could have been a victimless crime- Bitchy people will do bitchy things by getting themselves offended :D

Who could that be possibly be directed at ?*innocentface*


Anyway, I understand why they would want to stop it, but I don't see why so much effort is but into stopping it when most of the old gmap will be replaced anyway, and no offense, although incomplete, a lot of the stuff on the gmap is way more fun to explore and travel around. You know, you can find towns without shops selling graphics in them, and there is mazes and cool latting and buildings I'm sorry I'll never see.. I wish there was a way I could get one of those gmaps and just go through it offline... I want to explore and see everything there..

Sure punish those glitching for wrong reasons like to show off / taunt other players or get some advantage over players, but why punish someone just exploring something great before its replaced with yet another graphics shop or spar that won't be used.

It's really not worth their time to be doing all this, and how they botched the gmap to stop people exploring it is just cruel to new players that will now never see the wonders out there..

Calm down it's a game. O_o

I heard my name mentioned:0

Probably to leak out some exclusive information thats not supposed to be shown

They make updates offline now. Glitchers won't see them even if they go the day before the update.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you completely. They're violating the set rules. Horse glitching at towers is one of the biggest problems. Players will just get on their horse and glitch through a wall and take a big shortcut to the top of the tower. I see this mainly at Swamp and MoD towers. Let me explain it using an example of Call of Duty. What if someone glitched into a rock and couldn't be shot, but he could shoot you. You wouldn't like glitchers doing that. Same thing goes for Graal. Someone could horse glitch into your fort, bomb spam you, or something of that matter. Players are given a fair warning not to glitch, but if they continue, then they do deserve a ban.

They are mostly done on the dev server (new areas). I think insides are still getting uploaded and will just get linked if they are supposed to be released/got approved.

There's no point in glitching to be honest.

Ok, why don't We all glitch outside in real life you can always explore that way. :O

Wasn't directed at anyone. Beholder doesn't play iPhone, and I don't even think he can afford one.

http://newsimg.ngfiles.com/27000/27412_Bug.jpg

And since glitching is often based on lag

thats completely different from the kind of glitcher im talking about. they're hurting the gameplay. glitchers who just go off map for the sake to explore should'nt have such harsh punishments for it. they should since they are making the game less fun for others. and it seems like the staff has spent more time stopping people from going off map than glitching towers and such.

we are talking about glitching off map, glitching to get a advantage or something like what you said is bad and punishable, but i dont feel exploring is worth a month ban.

But thats the whole point? The new areas are supposed to be a secret, and thats why the admins removed the buildings from off the map. Its not really fun if you know whats to come. What reason would you have to explore water grass and mountains anyway? Theres no buildings. The most interesting thing you could possibly find is a cave opening that has no level yet. Whats the point?

My point is that these areas were never released before the whole town was released. They develope everything somewhere else and then add it to the map a day before it opens, these people aren't harming anyone so why have the staff gone to such drastic measures to stop them?

After reading your long message I couldn't bring myself to read the comments. Please don't be mad if you said this. But HELLO we have to fix the glitches so we don't look like a bunch of people who don't care. And the reason we care so much is you are breaking our rules. If your parents ask you not to go across the street and you do it anyways you will get punished unless your parents are pushovers. Well we are not and you glitch and hack and we give you what you deserve. My question is why do you care? Follow the rules and do what you're supposed to do and everything will be cool.

i found another video on lag :)

I'm not saying we should just let people glitch and break the rules. But why are they putting so much effort Into it. Using your analogy, a kid crosses the stree without the parents asking. Now usually the parent would say something like don't do that again, and do some small punishment. What the staff are doing is the equivelant to the mom not letting the kid out of the house for the next week, blocking off the area so that kid and no other kids can go there again and taking a wrecking ball to whereve the kid was crossing the street too. Does that seem fair and logical? I'm saying that instead of concentrating on people glitching off map who aren't hurting anyone they could make actual content. If we have content we won't glitch. If you open a new town with some new quests and events you think people are going to be glitching off map when they can be doing this? Hell no. But when you go a few months only getting hat updates, and getting tired of farming and pking it's pretty hard to resist trying to get somewhere you haven't seen yet if you have that option available. For me I was always interested in what graal classic was like before. I've searched YouTube for videos, google for pics, played classic pc and was constantly asking those who have experienced it about it and asking where I can find it. However you can't get much better than going off map and experiencing it yourself because the pre 2009 map was off map in iclassic.

i think the problem is that the rule in this case is pointless and isnt as bad as its treated.

your analogy was where the not crossing the street rule is for a reason, dont want you to get hit by a car or go away from home too far and get lost or abducted.


seriously, who is hurt by players wanting to see off map and see the old gmap that was in some areas better than the current one.

Lol I sooooo thought this was an era post. My bad bai. Lol

rofl i didnt notice that eather :0 rofl

I don't feel to read your life story there bro, sorry. So I just answer the titles question..

If you Google "glitch", "glitching", or anything else with "glitch", you can see, and read, that glitching something that shouldn't happen in the game. That's why new un-released games get tested to find these bugs, and where you can do they so they can stop it. But Graal gets updated alot and they can't look it up everytime..

Why ask a question about iEra in the iClassic section? Erhm :D.

Let me just put this in a point of view everyone can understand. Is it professional to allow players to use bugs and glitch out of the map? No. Those things get patched. You wonder what's the harm? If you would be allowed to glitch out of the map then they'd be allowing you to abuse the game.

You guys aren't getting the point of this thread. Even though I've spelled It out many times. Im not gonna respond anymore since its all basically in past posts. Go read.

I pretty much just explained why you SHOULD care about people who try and glitch off map.

Its pretty obvious why they care about them =_=

already explained. go read.

You said you wouldn't respond :O.

Since when was there set rules for Graal? I guess there's those unspoken rules that usually apply to every game, but when I downloaded Graal, I didn't agree to a TOS.

I have an interesting viewpoint on this whole scenario. I know that iClassic was originally a photo-copy of the Graalonline Classic PC server. I also know that work is made on a "second GMAP" before being applied to the public one. So instead of putting ugly trees and warps everywhere, why not just resize the GMAP overall?

Instead of having about 400 "levels" of ocean, just have water between the main landish area and balamb, then close the whole area off with mountain?

maybe because Classic doesnt want to have a reputation for being a server full of glitchers?

stupid question, smart ass you're argument is ******ed

...what?

Hmm I wonder why staff doesn't want people to break the rules they've laid out... Let's make a scenario...

*Player A joins* so he's walking along, just completed tutorial and he sees some people off map! He asks "h0w u d0". They say "MAGICCALLLL SWAGGGGGG!" Player A begs them but they refuse, he goes into depression, two hours later he kills himself...

See what glitching does!!!! IT KILLS PEOPLE!!!!
Nuff sed

Thats not an extreme enough example

He's basically saying, why don't they just make the map smaller and get rid of off-map areas.

Ah ok. I think it should stay like it is in case they decide to open up any other parts.

They can always expand it by adding more levels later. I'm pretty sure they test things on a different server anyway, all they would need to do is upload it.

OR! the staff could concentrate on creating actual content.

if you dont wanna go back and read all my posts then fine.

heres what im saying:

the staff are spending tons of time trying to stop people from doing something which has no effect on the players or the game itself. why are they spending so much time trying to do so, instead of making actual content which the game desperately needs?

im not saying the staff shouldnt care. of course the massive GP squad should still be trying to find any off map people and jailing them because theyre breaking the rules. and on multiple accounts players should be banned.

get it?

It's mainly the Graal Police that catch the off-map glitchers; that's why they're there; hence the name Graal Police. Graal Police staff members are in no responsibility to make updates, but they can/do encourage their thoughts and feedback to the ones that ARE in charge of making updates, such as Azrael, Xor, Twinny, etc.

you're stupid

There are different kinds of staff. The Graal Police portion handles glitchers, hackers, abuse toward other players, etc. There's also the graphics portion which handles content that is going to be released such as furniture and hats, but The Inititiatve people also help submitting their work. The levels portion handles scripting and important functions that get things in the game working. There's the management portion that handle account transfers, hiring, what goes on the game, etc. Lastly, there's the uploaders who approve/decline people's customs. Some staff have double the jobs such as being a GP and an uploader. I don't know if I missed any portions of staff. My point is that it's not all the staff stopping the glitchers. The others are working on projects and handling different parts of the game.

You forgot LATs.

Sorry :(

Oops I apologize for that. I'm not good with remembering names and tend to leave things out.