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Slacky 05-02-2016 04:57 PM

No More 1k Hats?
 
I'm down, especially since it seems like this is the next step towards the possible overhaul of guilds?

My one concern is whether or not this will last... They did the same thing back in 2011/2012, but reimplemented it after a few months.

GOAT 05-02-2016 05:01 PM

I'm not part of the it group, but to what I heard here is that they will reform the guild system and add rewards for guild activity. The powers that be don't believe in rewards, but they understand they stand with the minority when it comes to that. The majority of iGraalers must have rewards in order to do anything in-game.

Macbeth 05-02-2016 05:03 PM

Hoping they will implement a points style system, where people who help for "X" amount of time holding a tower get "Y" amount of TP (Tower Points). Those points could be exchanged for hats or special items. This could stop the abuse of poor kiddos who are being abused by the current towering system of "rec and kick".

Slacky 05-02-2016 05:06 PM

Quote:

Posted by GOAT (Post 701390)
I'm not part of the it group, but to what I heard here is that they will reform the guild system and add rewards for guild activity. The powers that be don't believe in rewards, but they understand they stand with the minority when it comes to that. The majority of iGraalers must have rewards in order to do anything in-game.

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Posted by iMac (Post 701391)
Hoping they will implement a points style system, where people who help for "X" amount of time holding a tower get "Y" amount of TP (Tower Points). Those points could be exchanged for hats or special items. This could stop the abuse of poor kiddos who are being abused by the current towering system of "rec and kick".

I'm personally hoping for a more diverse guild system with unique combat and terrain per tower. I mean this combined with the five guild limit update points towards something of possible worth.

Nanner 05-02-2016 05:10 PM

So does this mean no more 5k hats and mounts or no? Or does this mean there is a new guild prize system like ol west has

GodzillaFire 05-02-2016 05:16 PM

Yes make hat rewards be 1500 hours like it is on west so y'all have to work longer.

twilit 05-02-2016 05:34 PM

Would be funny if 1 or 2 of the unbalanced towers like Destiny were closed temporarily.

Someone needs to lead a troll guild that targets and tower blocks guilds that have 200-700 hours. I would, but I wont be active enough this month.

as of today:
Synx 800 - needs 6:40 daily for 1k; will definitely succeed.
ZigZag 740 - needs 8:40 daily; will most likely succeed too.
Sangue 670 - needs 11:00 daily; kinda borderline considering they had 4hr total yesterday
BFM's 532nd guild; 620 - needs 12:40 daily; borderline
Assertive 490 - needs 17:00 daily; probably wont succeed
Talon 300 - needs 23:20 daily; boderline
illusive 230 - needs 25:40 daily; boderline- gonna have to haul ass with some doubles

LiA 05-02-2016 05:41 PM

I kinda feel bad for those guilds lol.

Agonee 05-02-2016 05:42 PM

Okay this is kinda unfair, when I did regashi on my nub account I got banned when regashi did hit 870hours, now it's still banned for 1+month, means I triedhard for nothing.

They should give guilds with 500+hrs more time or something, for real...

Bryan* 05-02-2016 05:43 PM

About 29-30 days for all those guilds to hit 1K. They can do it.



Just wondering will the system remove hours or will it be by points?

Admiral 05-02-2016 05:49 PM

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Posted by LiA (Post 701405)
I kinda feel bad for those guilds lol.

If it makes u feel any better, I reckon at least 90% of those players already have a guild hat from a previous guild, and its not like the effort goes to waste - im sure it will stack over to the new points system

Wickodd 05-02-2016 06:10 PM

Finally, I've been hoping this would happen. Now people can stick with one guild, instead of hopping to the next one after 1k. Will also give guilds already over 1k a chance, since people won't exclusively join guilds under 1k now. Do the hats have to be submitted before the end of May, or do they just have to reach 1k by the end of it? I'm guessing submitted, but just want to be sure.

G Fatal 05-02-2016 06:38 PM

About time.. they should of done this a decade ago, be interesting to see the new guild system that's meant to eventually happen and see what prizes etc happen from that.

qes 05-02-2016 06:56 PM

Every good video game has rewards. This is because players don't feel the same motivation to play without rewards. With that said, games need to make a good system to GET rewards. and 1,000 hour hat is not a good reward system its silly and creates no competition. They need to replace that idea with something better, but doing away with rewards completely is a dumb idea, no good game does that. Call of duty, star wars battle front... any game actually, rewards people with new things the "better" they get.

To me,
There needs to be a new guild currency added to the game. (points? maybe 1 point per fort taken, 1 point every 5 minutes you own the tower, less towers, tbh there should be ONLY two BIGGER towers so its REALLY hard to hold, instead of 4 or 5 small towers) 1 point for every guild spar won. then once you reach... 1000 points (this system I'm making up, obviously the numbers aren't working) you can upload your own furniture or hat using the upload site.
And guilds should have a new type of guild house that is much bigger. And there should only be ONE per guild.

Santa Claus 05-02-2016 07:32 PM

I like it. Hope they stick with it not like last time after a month or so they just stopped and brought it back


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Bink 05-02-2016 07:51 PM

Or just make like guild leaderboard that only the guild leader and members can view and it shows how long you are at the tower, how much you hit the flag, how many kills you get while in the tower, how many deaths, amount of time in/out of guild

Thallen 05-02-2016 07:55 PM

anyone following the loathing "ugh FINALLY" sentiment is probably going to be upset when the new rewards model is much better than what we have right now
if anyone wants to do one last tower guild that isn't just going to be standing around and leisurely AFKing, you're free to join

GotenGraal 05-02-2016 08:15 PM

it's about dam time

Santa Claus 05-02-2016 08:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 701439)
it's about dam time



I remember the day they almost screwed you over. I think it was your guild. I forgot

qes 05-02-2016 08:49 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 701436)
anyone following the loathing "ugh FINALLY" sentiment is probably going to be upset when the new rewards model is much better than what we have right now

explain.

Thallen 05-02-2016 08:58 PM

I'm not staff but I think it's obvious by now that they're working on a better guilds system, so it'd make sense that the new incentives are better as well... it's not as if fp4 woke up today like "let's **** over towerers"

Aaron 05-02-2016 09:22 PM

idk, fp4 seems kinda like "that one guy"

/s

G Fatal 05-02-2016 09:45 PM

Quote:

Posted by Thallen (Post 701436)
anyone following the loathing "ugh FINALLY" sentiment is probably going to be upset when the new rewards model is much better than what we have right now
if any

*creates new guild**gets new reward*
..
Nah tbf I'm actually intrigued into what classic will do, although if it gets passed off on a you gotta spar etc to earn points aswell as earning from doing forts I'm unsure how that would balance out overall.

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Posted by Thallen (Post 701456)
woke up today like "let's **** over towerers"

Thats been in production since Rufus became staff

Areo 05-02-2016 09:51 PM

WOW. Wow. You guys think it's funny to end 1k hats right when I get my guild going? I knew you had it our for me! We have 7 whole hours that we worked hard for, and you're gunna treat it like we never were even there? I thought that this game was improving but NO. You had to go and ruin the best part :( how will I get my 7th hat? I think all guilds above 5 hours should get till the end of the year to finish!

Slacky 05-02-2016 11:09 PM

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Posted by Areo (Post 701474)
blah ... I thought that this game was improving ... blah

and thats when I knew it was a joke

Weeno 05-02-2016 11:33 PM

Rip to all those who will have 800-999 hours at the last second

Brick 05-03-2016 01:23 AM

I remember a long time ago Stefan was telling Xor or someone that he would like to get rid of the 1k tower hour hat reward. It was a couple years ago, so this decision has been talked about for quite some time.

GotenGraal 05-03-2016 01:41 AM

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Posted by Santa Claus (Post 701448)
I remember the day they almost screwed you over. I think it was your guild. I forgot

Cause my guild had 900 hours in early 2012 when they made that rule. They're doing it right this time by giving everyone a month's notice.

Weeno 05-03-2016 01:50 AM

What happened to xor anyways.

Sardon 05-03-2016 01:57 AM

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Posted by GodzillaFire (Post 701398)
Yes make hat rewards be 1500 hours like it is on west so y'all have to work longer.

thats way too long.
Anybody with something of a life cannot afford to spend 1500 hours in their room playing graal with few breaks.

Saber Alumba 05-03-2016 01:59 AM

A lot of people are talking about this as if the news post clearly states that guild hats will be removed ... Please note that is says guild hats "under the current system", so it is possible that the new system may still have a guild hat as one of its rewards, however achieved in a different way than accumulating tower hours as it currently stands.

Zetectic 05-03-2016 02:12 AM

im half excited and half scared.

Pokki 05-03-2016 03:00 AM

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Posted by Weeno (Post 701545)
What happened to xor anyways.

True, I haven't talked to him since like 2012.

ravegraal 05-03-2016 03:42 PM

They should decrease the amount of towers, to increase the competition. I also think instead of getting a 1k hat reward, guilds are rewarded with a hat (or other prize) if they finish in the top 3 in hours for the season. Since there is a leaderboard for this, I feel like it would make people more willing to compete, because they're not only playing for their own time, they're also trying to limit the opposing guilds hours.

... or maybe this idea sucks, I dunno, my experience in towering is very limited.

Coco 05-03-2016 03:56 PM

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Posted by Slacky (Post 701389)
They did the same thing back in 2011/2012, but reimplemented it after a few months.

What are you referring to that we did?

Mangsi 05-03-2016 03:58 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me.

qes 05-03-2016 04:01 PM

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Posted by Coco (Post 701681)
What are you referring to that we did?

From what I remember(and other people verified this from saying the same thing) There was a point where they announced that every guild wouldn't get a 1k hat. After the top 10 guilds got 1k hats they made the mistake by continuing to give them out rather then making a new competitive system. When they realized how dumb it was they tried to stop giving out 1k hats but they quickly went back to doing it

Slacky 05-03-2016 05:46 PM

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Posted by Coco (Post 701681)
What are you referring to that we did?

Quote:

Posted by qes (Post 701686)
From what I remember(and other people verified this from saying the same thing) There was a point where they announced that every guild wouldn't get a 1k hat. After the top 10 guilds got 1k hats they made the mistake by continuing to give them out rather then making a new competitive system. When they realized how dumb it was they tried to stop giving out 1k hats but they quickly went back to doing it

I remember specifically towering with Exciled Elements when they announced that 1k hats weren't being rewarded anymore and it was going to be replaced with something else, however I always thought they did the removal of 1k hats because of guilds getting 1k in less than 2 weeks on the FB server and then later reinstituted them because the new reward was never decided upon.

I forget which guild it was, but they got 1k in about 10 days I think. They controlled all 5 towers most of the time. (1000/5)/24 = 8.33 days to get 1k hours if all towers are held for 24hours each of those day

G Fatal 05-03-2016 06:33 PM

Yeah Slacky's right I think it was actually said in the news aswell as annouced but later staff when back on themselves (cough*like the work on what we already have than make new town*cough)... But yeah said that they will stop and each guild that gets from then on would get a generic item(that was never made/thought up of) There is few guilds with two 1k hats:
zZ FATAL Zz -1st fb
Redrum if counting there fb squad as same guild -2nd fb
FUTUR3?
not sure if any others got ...


but begs the question for what the new prizes will be if they couldn't even decide on a generic item.

Macbeth 05-03-2016 06:37 PM

Rip Regashi. At 880 hours and the leader is banned.

Reemas 05-03-2016 06:52 PM

I dont remember there ever being a post about removing 1k hats. However, I do remember there was the announcement for no more gif/animated 1k hats. I may have been a new player, if there was ever an announcement to remove 1k hats.

Slacky 05-03-2016 06:59 PM

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Posted by G Fatal (Post 701730)
FUTUR3?
not sure if any others got ...

Yeah it was FUTUR3, but there were others too, like Luck, New World Order, Exciled Elements and a lot more.

Quote:

Posted by Reemas (Post 701734)
I dont remember there ever being a post about removing 1k hats. However, I do remember there was the announcement for no more gif/animated 1k hats. I may have been a new player, if there was ever an announcement to remove 1k hats.

That was in the last 2 years, maybe sooner

Livid 05-03-2016 07:11 PM

Im looking forward to the new system, more competition, less afking for a hat.

TeK 05-03-2016 07:40 PM

Anyone know if guilds that finish with under 1k hours will have those hours transferred into points (or whatever is coming)? Mainly talking about guilds like (probably) Regashi, Assertive, whatever BFM is being done rn, OpTiC DrEaMz.

Also will 1k hats have to be submitted before the end of the month, or do guilds just need 1k hours by then?

Thallen 05-03-2016 07:59 PM

Quote:

Posted by TeK (Post 701747)
Anyone know if guilds that finish with under 1k hours will have those hours transferred into points (or whatever is coming)?

I doubt it, that'd kinda be like rewarding people who failed with a head start

Areo 05-03-2016 09:18 PM

Quote:

Posted by TeK (Post 701747)
Anyone know if guilds that finish with under 1k hours will have those hours transferred into points (or whatever is coming)? Mainly talking about guilds like (probably) Regashi, Assertive, whatever BFM is being done rn, OpTiC DrEaMz.

Also will 1k hats have to be submitted before the end of the month, or do guilds just need 1k hours by then?

I thought about that too, and I agree with Thallen here. It actually puts incentive into failing when you think about it, since then guilds could, theoretically, stop at 999:59(thanks Bryan) hours and convert it into points. It would make sense to do, since then you would be miles ahead of other guilds who are starting from relative scratch. Who wouldn't want to have a massive head start for possible new rewards?

Bryan* 05-03-2016 09:19 PM

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Posted by Areo (Post 701779)
I thought about that too, and I agree with Thallen here. It actually puts incentive into failing when you think about it, since then guilds could, theoretically, stop at 999:59 hours and convert it into points. It would make sense to do, since then you would be miles ahead of other guilds who are starting from relative scratch

Fixed*

fp4 05-03-2016 10:13 PM

Quote:

Posted by Saber Alumba (Post 701550)
A lot of people are talking about this as if the news post clearly states that guild hats will be removed ... Please note that is says guild hats "under the current system", so it is possible that the new system may still have a guild hat as one of its rewards, however achieved in a different way than accumulating tower hours as it currently stands.

yes

twilit 05-04-2016 02:31 AM

Also note, the news specifically says 1,000 hour guild hats; so 5,000hr hats and 10,000hr mounts are still in effect I assume.

TomatoPanda 05-04-2016 02:47 AM

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Posted by Slacky (Post 701736)
Yeah it was FUTUR3, but there were others too, like Luck, New World Order, Exciled Elements and a lot more.



That was in the last 2 years, maybe sooner

It was 2014 about this time of year I believe cause I was In Arrows at the time back when classic was my main server and we were eathier the last or 2nd to last guild to get a gif hat.

I hope Classics system isn't tower points like some were suggesting in the beginning of this thread Ol west has something like it u can say "Gang Points" and even tho I would probs be ****** if they didn't have it I gotta say it did ruin the game and made it melee base till this week. If they do "tower points" I recommend making prices HIGH AF.


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