A thread in which one can freely discuss UN's staff team being removed
 

Carlito/MysticalDragon came on yesterday and removed UN's staff team. The server was already removed from the server list and no longer had any global support, so I don't really see why this was necessary.

I don't know if Carlito made the decision on his own, or if he was instructed to do so, or why the decision was made. I do know that if you ask about why the decision was made on Graal's official forums, your post/thread gets deleted.

Because of that, I thought I'd post a thread here where everyone interested (ha) can freely discuss this exciting topic. Begin.

Probably happened due to the fact Carlito is power hungry,

Carlito aka NaS, aka hacker who destroyed UN multiple times, shouldn't be PWA for any graal-related game. Someone needs to get this disease out of graal. I get it, UN is a dead server, but why let people who still want to improve the server stop their actions? What's wrong with helping the server.. lmao?

Poor server, I find it idiotic how the guy who almost destroyed every server became in charge.

Let's have a look at it:
Era PC - sold items and staff positions for USD (admit doing so, he did), reset and banned a lot of people without any reason, just out of boredom/disliking them (See previous () )
Kingdoms - banned people w/o warnings and reset their accounts without any legit reason nor previous warning, created NPCs just to harass people
UN - basically #2 and so on, which I am not interested to go into detail ATM, maybe tommorow when my brain is working properly again (check my spelling/grammar and you see how bad it is).

He's probably done some other issues or will do soon on other servers aswell, can't recall right now. However, despite his somewhat "good" development-skill (he did not know how to link levels ago a year, lol..) his behaviour is nowhere near being mature/acting like an adult, he isn't capable of being in hold of ANY high staff-position. Nowhere. No server should have him hired as an high tier. Having him as a PWA just reflects Graals 'marketing strategy' (if you can call it that way, which is ridicolous aswell). Nothing to say about Robby, since this thread's about Carl.

It's sad to see how much Carl destroyed UN. Anyone saying Ramza or the staff is to blame, doesn't know background stories. I'd happily explain it if someones asks me to do so. Yet another stupid and useless move of the PWA to bring Graal PC one step closer to its final death. Sad to see it going this way.

Again, me brain no hables inglish, soz.

Carlito is in charge of iZone now...

You're better off with this happening. The only intelligent and capable people left around there are you, Manta, and Hoyt. I saw the official forum thread where people were discussing UN's removal from the server list, and many of them were throwing out suggestions for a new Manager (as it that was the problem).
It's out of your control that the UN community embraced toxic, ****bag players for years. It's out of your control that the current PWA is a joke. It's out of your control that your very own staff couldn't prevent themselves from getting "hacked" or acting as insiders for these "hackers."

You declined being Manager for a long time, and when you finally gave in it apparently failed for every reason other than things that were in your control. It's just an awful player community, compounded by a bad PWA team, underneath a horrible guy managing it all. Hopefully you either walk away from it entirely or only touch that part of the game for personal enjoyment as a player.

But FYI, you guys look like jackasses jumping to conclusions and assuming this was something that Carlito just woke up and decided to do one day. For all any of you know, and very likely, he could have been told to do it. If you truly believe he's the entire reason UN is a dead server, you're dumb. He's a very small part of the big picture... The long history of terrible local and global staff was the underlying problem here.

ph8 for iclassic manager
copy paste all the UN events to classic.

UN rn
http://media0.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif

It's hard to disagree with this. If someone official were to have come on and said, hey, we're removing UN because of all its copyrighted content and because of its toxic community (though there were good people who were left playing,) I wouldn't have made too much of a fuss. If I owned Graal, I probably wouldn't have wanted UN as one of my products, lol. I'm more annoyed about the way it was handled than with what happened.

At the same time, if you're going to leave the server as accessible, I don't really see a point to removing the staff team. The server isn't doing anybody any harm just sitting there, and that way events can still be hosted. I mean, even N-Pulse still has a staff team, don't they?

And I want to add that the argument Carlito has made in the past about Ramza being allowed to play being the reason for the UN was on thin ice is ridiculous. I was manager for like a month. In that time I banned the guy probably 50+ times. I also attempted to improve UN's detection systems to keep the guy off the server. None of that had any real effect. When he was banned, he would log on on another account in literally less than 10 seconds. We wanted to keep him off the server, but we lacked the tools to do so.

I also think there's a real chance Carlito was and has been under orders regarding UN for a while now, and is being made to take the fall for this. But it's possible too that he's doing it of his own volition because he links the server to Ramza and they have some sort of private beef going down. If there's anyone still around still interested in playing UN by the time Carlito quits PWA, I guess we'll find out then.

Un was best server.
It was probaky the only reason most people had graal client.
Its a shame to see such a thing happen to a server that was played on for years.

If it weren't to be Carlito giving the decision of ending the staff on UN, or removing UN from the playerworld's list. Then why couldn't Carlito simply told UN, why he chose this decision. It seems kind of odd that he would delete the other forum post without any sort of reason, then go on a ban spree on UN.. It wouldn't make sense removing ALL staff, and then ignore everyone's decision and stick to what HE wants to do, and not what's best for the server. UN has a trash community and overall has a trash PWA, and some people can see that UN has no potential ever making a comeback to high numbers again. But on the other hand, some people like fuza, manta, etc.. see the game as fun and would rather have a trash community than not have UN at all. So it seems really odd, how anyone else with the right mind, could see Carlito's actions agreeable. I just wish somebody above Carlito's position, could see how horrible of a PWA he is, and remove his position.

Sad.

after looking into this, talking to everyone involved, i can officially say that

This post sums up my thoughts: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...0&postcount=36

The TL;DR version is that local UN staff allowed certain players to exist in that community for way too long. If that had never happened, Carlito would have never needed to intervene. I don't feel bad for UN at all, but I do feel bad for quality players who used to (or still do) play UN that will probably never get to experience it again, like Ph8, Dante, Manta, Brett, etc.

UN's slow collapse literally started more than 10 years ago. It's lucky to have lived this long.

2005: WiKKiD becomes Manager. Despite being very creative and talented with graphics, UN begins its downswing. A lot of favoritism, abuse, and passing around of the server goes on after this point.
First-half 2006: Neo becomes Manager for no reason other than being the last long-standing player left. He cheats his way through a UTC or two, but other than that I'd say he had no real negative (or positive) impact on UN.
Second-half 2006: Spryte is Manager. She's essentially useless. She has no developmental capabilities and I can't name anything positive that happened during her time.
A lot of 2007: WiKKiD comes back and it turns into the WiKKiD-NaS era. What bad could come out of a Graal couple managing a playerworld? While I do respect both of their ability to contribute to the server from a developmental standpoint, it just was not healthy.
Early 2008: Malinko becomes Manager. The entire server becomes a trophy for him and Artanis. UN is now stuck in this cycle of being shared around and used for the benefits you get as Manager.
Mid-late 2008: Spryte again. Why was she hired? Because the last Manager was forcefully removed?
2009ish: Okilian becomes Manager. This is when the real cancer starts to set in. UN is as dramatic and weird as ever. The community now consists of depressed 20+ year olds who sit in Tinychat all night and use RC as a messaging client to share gossip. The community begins to get so small that they're "dating" each other in real life.

Wide gap where I didn't play Graal for many years

Random points of 2014-2016: NaS becomes Manager and effectively keylogs the entire community (and then gets hired as a PWA). Wynde becomes Manager and probably achieves nothing other than rallying together BTK members. HarDKoRe becomes Manager and allows someone to delete the entire server. Stowen manages the server as an "insider" to some select group of autistic manchildren. Carlito intervenes in an attempt to clean up, but acts like an idiot and finds a way to get hacked which further damages the server.

Point is, if you look at what has actually happened to UN from a developmental standpoint in the past 10 years, it's mostly been the same people: Manta, Ph8, Rage, Shane, and maybe a few others. Given such a low expectation, it should not be hard to manage that server. Yet and still, a handful of people apparently could not do it. So yes, there were many people that contributed to this long before Carlito.

Yes, but instead of taking care of them the staff worshipped them, fed into their egos, and allowed them to stomp freely around the server. You guys even gave them NPCs around the server. Why is that?

Then when Carlito intervenes and attempts to help, he's made out to be the bad guy. Makes no sense to me. Clearly he did a ****ty job at handling it, but so did UN's long line of Managers. What did NaS ever do to help out? Seems to me like Carlito was always the messenger boy, sent to take care of all the dirty work that UN created for itself.

If UN's low-tier trolls and pretend hackers went and tried that **** on a server like Zodiac, I bet fp4 would handle it within an hour...

Here's what actually happened, incase you were all wondering.
http://imgur.com/a/ybiu5

Not arguing that UN shouldn't be off, but Carlito is scum and should definitely not be a PWA, he can't even prevent himself from getting hacked.

But....

What about Unholy Exodus?


Carlito gave 0 fks about UN's plans to renew itself?! D:

Ya'll can come hang out on GtA and wait for Carlito to kill us off too.

http://imgur.com/uQJ9wZ3.png
rip

just went on UN. it was FULL of toxic filled with irrelevant nobodies from iclassic.
why the f### do you leave a kid like crunky as an ET?
literary took me 5 second to offend him and make him curse on mass.

i appreciate how good iclassic is compare to this bloody mess.

He's literally only saying this because like 5 people lol'd at him for calling me irrelevant LMAO


seriously though we need trump's wall to toss carlito over it

it was only you and crunky...? that's 5? and you were calling me ******ed?

and you nobodies were talking about carlito, ramza, fogles like you know them. rofll

Funny, ramza nearly in every UN screenie obviously unbannable? idk if I'm correct or not

Wynde, Brutal?

gj adding random ppls name that didn't say anything on the mass. lol

go ask them- so butthurt LOL

lol sure im butthurt mr.nobody that spreads false rumor with another group of autistic children that masses stuff like 'Carlito was blah blah blahh he smd ramza was blah blah blah hes bad'. xdd
no wonder why dante logged out.

o right im a youtuber and so butthurt, ill make sure to record mass chat live. so i can see you taking 5 min to come up with one sentence response.

nobody even cares that you're a youtuber wtf

just like nobody care about you. :smile:
maybe ignore the top half cus it's so true, isn't it? i'll give u more stuff to catch on.

just too ******ed to respond to

that's what she said.
have fun talking about carlito on UN all night. nobody will remember it tomorrow.

nobodies even on UN

ha that was good one. i forgot u are nobody.

i can't do this fight anymore

im out

rofl

is carlito really nas? nas seems like a cool and reputable developer.
i don't know about carlito, but rumors about him weren't positive.
http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23045

No, you ******.

^iagree
but somebody has to tell me why carlito is caught up with UN drama if he's in charge of delteria.

he's pwa you ****tard

o hey u are alive. nice, u know a lot of things about other people's business.
sry i play UN for events only and never knew the server was flipping upside down.
UN events were fun while it lasted.

dude it's not even a secret wtf

eh true, but u can't call me ****** for that. lol
sounds like it's better off not knowing or getting involved in any of this.

Carlito removes all of the staff from UN, and I'm still waiting on him to recover my accounts. Solid priorities.

NaS = Carlito = Rob. NaS was/is known to hack UN a long time ago. If anything he should be put on a tree and torched to death.. and when he's at the verge of death we stop the flames until he can feel a little calm.. then burn his skin slowly with acid. Then again at the verge of death, someone cuts off his genitals and stuff em in his mouth to shut out the screams and watch him bleed out until he can no longer breathe.

so yeah NaS = Carlito

The only part you got right was NaS and Rob being the same person.

Carlito is a PoS tbh

What happened to the good ol' days where we made fun of UN? This empathy stuff is booooooooring.

ok.

Carlito is not NaS... But I understand why you might think that, since Carlito is the one who is always doing **** while NaS seems completely absent