Deism
 

Deism

"The belief that God has created the universe but remains apart from it and permits his creation to administer itself through natural laws. Deism thus rejects the supernatural aspects of religion, such as belief in revelation in the Bible, and stresses the importance of ethical conduct."

Recently found out about this Deism which fits perfectly in what I believe in. Is there anyone who thinks this way as well? I honestly want to hear from your opinions especially for any devoted Christians or Catholics etc around here who really believe in what the Bible says.

So they believe there's a God, but don't believe in a heaven/hell? They just think your life on Earth is your only life? I'm a Christian and I believe in the Bible, but I don't disagree with other religions. In fact, what pisses me off is that (in my religion) anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus died on the cross goes to Hell. So Jews would go to hell. It pisses me off because who am I to know which of the many religions is the correct one, if any. I'm only a Christian because I was raised that way. If I was raised Muslim, I'd be Muslim, and probably be that way for my entire life. I believe what the Bible says, but I don't necessarily disagree with anyone else's belief. Even the belief that there is no God.

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In my world religions class when we studied Judaism we had a few speakers come in who followed the religion so obviously the first question was why they believed in a God when the holocaust happened to them and how a real God would not allow it blah blah blah

They gave a pretty neat lecture on how they and most of the others in the community followed this belief so they did not blame God for it and if not this exact belief still believed that since God created human with the ability of free will he still wasn't to blame because if he intervened it would go against free will and humanity coming together to stop this is much greater than God doing it

I think it's a pretty good thing to believe in, thanking God for giving life but not expecting God to be involved with life, would be nice if this was the common mindset between religious groups

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Your profile pic is a DJ Pizza Cat. I'm not concerned for myself.

In many trying situations like that, Religious people/leaders say it's part of God's plan because often times, going through something that terrible ends up bringing you closer to others & your religion. 9/11 is a good example. It brings a lot of people together in the end and brings people closer to their religion. Or they often say it's a "test." I don't really think too much about why things happen. I don't expect anything from God, although, I do still hope and ask.

I saw a 60 Minutes story that was looking into religion with some Christian pastor I think. He said something I realy believed to be true. He said even if noting from religion is real, it's still a marvelous thing because it gives people hope, connects people to others so they have people to lean on, and it really just creates a great mindset for those who do believe in it. I hate when people get 'offended' because someone believes in a religion and they're atheist or believe something else. I think the mindset that religion creates in people alone is one of the most spectacular things in the world.

major religions would be dead if indoctrination wasn't a thing. most we can hope for is that the folks are good people. mormons are ****ing ******ed but they are some of the nicest people i've ever met

The idea that God controls our actions or whatever is really unsettling considering we've done some ****ed up things in the past.

This belief seems a lot easier to get behind.

deism sounds pretty solid.
I am catholic but I like to venture into other thaughts sometimes.
Without a doubt tough there is something divine out there.

A common argument against religion is
" this thing happened and god didnt come to save me "
"if he was real he would have prevented world war 1&2 from happening"

Though the old testamet has a story regarding a jewish man who had very bad luck and lost all his fortune and became very ill and lost his family.
He stoped beleiving in god because he thaught if there was a god things like that would not happen.But then he is told by god that he can't interfere with everything and that our lives are up to us.

Christianity doesn't say God controls your actions... I can't think of a religion that actually believes that at all.

I could've swore I heard that from somewhere.

Idek. I had a lot of mixed messages about Christianity growing up as a kid.

Well we believe that he can, but he doesn't control our actions. We believe he can, and does, control certain aspects of the world, basically a miracle. We mostly think he controls fate (for example, a car wrecks but something happens just right so that the driver isn't killed). Somewhat hard to explain, but we know we all have free will. In fact, according to Christianity, the reason we have sin in the first place is because of free will. Deism seems a lot like most religions, just a little stricter I guess... Although, if you don't believe God interacts with our world, then (if you're Christian) you don't believe that Jesus came and died on the cross, which is the core belief behind Christianity. I personally don't think Deism is plausible. A God would have to interact somehow. Although, I think people who are unfamiliar with different religions think that God interacts a lot more than he probably does. We pray to God, but we never get a response. We usually never even know if we get what we ask for. If you believe in God, you attribute everything good that happened to you because of God. In a sense, God does almost nothing, yet also could possibly be doing everything. It's pretty difficult to put ideas into words when it comes to religion...

Hi antago

Legend says if you say his name 9 times you'll summon him from the depths of the local insane asylum.

I was raised to be Christian, yet I'm more agnostic than anything. I really hope there is a god and that I'm wrong though. It isn't plausible, and no matter how I look at it I just can't picture a god.

However if Christianity is right I don't think I could worship that version of God. Hell is one of the most ******ed concepts I've ever heard honestly. Yeah we as human's sin, but that's the way we were made. I also highly doubt the almighty lord with all of his 'wisdom' would send any individual to endure horrible pain for eternity, and if he does then I wouldn't worship him.

The only version of God I've ever seen that was even a little believable was ironically in Futurama, y'know the cartoon?

Christians believe that God is infinitely more wise than us, so our moral, or immoral beliefs can be 100% wrong. I wish hell was for people's actions and lack of remorse, rather than not believing in God/Jesus. But if God does exist (which I believe he does) then who am I to judge the God who can do anything and has established everything I know? Honestly, if you don't think there is a God, you don't want to be wrong... According to Christianity, anyone who doesn't believe will go to hell... I question the religion entirely myself sometimes, or just ponder it, but I always come back to the conclusion that I don't, and won't ever know the answer to my questions. Can you honestly believe that humans have just existed forever, or if you go the science route, that humans were just created, along with all other minerals and life, all from a "Big Bang"? That doesn't seem plausible at all to me. Also why would humans be the only species that has the thought processing capabilities that we do that differentiates us from all other life? For a big bang to happen, there had to be something occurring in what scientists say was nothingness, in order for the pressure to build up enough to cause the big bang... I really hate that scientists go against the whole idea of science (getting facts and data) by coming up with theories that have no basis or even sliver of proof. They should just say they don't know how the start of the universe happened. Not to get too far off topic, but I have the same opinion about their idea for Dinosaurs, because if they became extinct from a meteor, why did all other life forms survive?

Anyways, that's what really bugs me about religion, is there's no proof (besides the Bible, which I don't believe to necessarily be proof, considering each religion has their own Bible that they consider proof) that one religion is the correct one. I just have to take on faith and believe whichever one I believe.

damn dude, can't argue with that

but I hope there is a god (not the christian god though or else a lot of people I know and love, same with most people will be in Hell, including myself and probably you because a lot of things are sins) or at least some form of an afterlife. I can't even imagine not existing.

Nothing can explain how the existence of everything came to place. Yeah science can explain a lot but something (the big bang) can't possibly happen out of nothing.

I don't feel like any religion is fully right though. You have to keep in mind that religions were created by humans even if they were supposedly guided by god. There is no way of telling that is the truth or not.

There is something special which started the first reaction, that's obvious. We just won't ever find out what it is or who it is in our lives.

Deism fits me I guess?

HEY ATLEAST I DONT EAT BABIES!

Your life needs some corrections!

You almost made me cry.

Christianity doesn't care how much you sin, as long as you repent and believe in God and that Jesus died on the cross. Jesus is the entire reason why our sins don't matter. We need to recognize them and repent for them, but even the Bible describes Jesus talking to a murderer while he's dying on the cross, and he gets that guy to believe in him so he ends up gokmg to heaven.

I can't imagine not existing anymore... But I struggle even more with existing forever. It's just hard to grasp 'forever'...

Why do people argue over Religion, it is dumb and so is Religion.

Because people have different opinions. You clearly have your own, by calling religion and arguments over it to be dumb.

The reason it's hard for me to believe in any religion is because of the lies people say to use you or brainwash. Idk if I take these conspiracy to seriously but it doesn't hurt to question religion. I've asked many Christians (since I was raised around them) how can they just believe. They just told me they do because God is great. I hate these types of answers. Anyways recently Ive been finding out there are a lot of fake churches. A pastor was found guilty of using church donations to pay for his house and buy a male prostitute. Can you believe that? How am I supposed to just believe when all this is happening?

You can't expect everything to be perfect. The religion itself has nothing wrong with it, it's the people who use it and abuse it who are wrong. Some terrorist groups claim their actions are for Islam, but they aren't really, and it doesn't mean Islam is wrong just because some people abuse it and use it for their own gain.

It's difficult to believe in religion, but nothing worthwhile is ever easy. I find it more difficult to believe that there is no greater power that created everything. I can't imagine it was all created from nothing, or has just always existed.

It's more dumb to say religion is dumb... Religion is one's own belief, and your belief is (apparently) that there is no God. That itself is a belief, just like religion.

But... those are your only two options lol

People get scared by my religion ;-;

Same, every1 thinks being a satanist is a bad thing apperently.

I honestly can't tell if this is really good sarcasm.

YEAH it's not like we perform human sacrifices or anything
maybe

@mangsi I hate how everyone views it, like satanism is NONE of what people ever think right.
Im glad I have a few understanding friends irl that are really into the topic and want to try some rituals.

SEE I CAN NEVER TELL WITH YOU

All of my two friends are cool with it, IDK about rituals tho, that's a little bit to hardcore for me rn m8

I looked up satanist religion and found a very creepy looking site... But it provided information I didn't know. I knew someone years ago who was a satanist, though. He talked to himself and cursed us all when we pissed him off. We made fun of him more for that... but he was creepy as hell. I don't know enough about it to for, any opinion, but I don't understand it. I don't understand most other religions, though. I think it's like all other religions, some people twist it and warp it from it's original meaning, which usually end up giving it a bad name.

I don't really want to be associated with any religion. I don't believe in anything but i'm not going to deny the existence of any god or gods. I find it strange how people say "Oi! Your religion is wrong - i'm going to argue about how my one is the right one!" when there are over ~4,200 religions currently existing in the world. It's ignorant to say that religion is dumb and has caused more evil than good when it is more than likely the foundation for today's ethics and law. I guess i'd classify myself as agnostic if I really had to choose.

Going more into philosophy...don't bother reading, just felt like dumping this here so I could put what was on my mind into text.

I find it fascinating how after ~14 billion years of the universe evolving and expanding that I was born by complete and utter chance in time to be writing this post to those currently reading it. One thing that is kind of scary is that I don't know that any of you actually exist outside of my computer. You might be thinking "Well, that is obviously untrue" but how do you know that I exist outside of your computer? You have never seen me, nor ever spoken to me. Right now, the only thing that proves I exist to you are the pixels I have written on this screen, but even then, how do you know that I wrote them? I probably sound stupid right now, but just thinking about that and many other things is pretty cool to me ¯\_(ツ)_/

Sorry for rambling and going off topic.

Same, since there are only 3 main forms of rituals..
Plus, I'm not all about thaaaat magic homieeee but I'd totally do it just for the giggles ykno, just to have fun with a bunch of friends right.

I kind of can't take the magic/supernatural and not logical aspect serious in any religion, thats why Deism sounds alright and something I could understand kind of.

I know the Church of Satan identifies as being more atheistic than anything and they are against the belief that Satan is a real deity and don't want to be identified with actual Satan worshipers, same goes with some branches of Satanism (because some still worship and actively believe he is a real deity) but if you are going to claim you don't believe in any of it and that you aren't about the real Satanic stuff then what is the point of identifying with a religion/association that is named after Satan?

Wouldn't it just make more sense to follow another religious group or create a new one instead of labeling yourself a Satanist and constantly telling people you don't actually believe in Satan

I don't really get Satanism.

To me, most people who "practice" it are a bunch of edgy teenagers who want people to notice how edgy they are.

What actual benefit comes from worshipping the symbol of all that is evil in this world?
Doing a DJ Meow impression here. How am
I doing, guys?

The first few pages of the satanic bible go like "Most people think satanists are teenagers that dress black, listen to rowdy music and burn churches down (basically edgy, yeah), though those people may not be called real satanists", ykno, Satanism is called Satanism because it should resolve arround yourself and not some God. Its also called that to scare off some of the people who doubt the religion so your daily satanist doesn't have to deal with them.

What actual benefit comes from worshipping any symbol, like any other such as god?

Though, there is no worshipping anyone or anything in satanism (not even in rituals lol m8). Funny thing is that you said "of all that is evil in the world", basically satanism labels you, yourself, the human being as the devil, basically because "While good an evil don't exist - except within the bounds of personal preference and perception,".
So if you're gonna worship someone youre going to worship yourself, which kinda sounds weird.

Man we are derailing this thread guys.

EDIT: did u rly have to add the white text after I posted my response DUDE

If you're doing it for yourself then why do you have a religion whatsoever? I don't see the point, you might aswell be atheist right? Sorry if I'm missunderstanding it

To me, being a satanist is all about following my own path, being an individual, not worrying about a God or a higher power. But while I don't worry about following a God, I still believe there is one out there..but Satan is there to pull you away from the "brainwashing" powers of God and religions like Christianity, to keep you an individual.

I don't worship Satan, he's not my Savior, he's just something I believe is there to help me stay me.

This is MY take on the religion, and may not be fully correct, but who cares, religion is diff. for everyone.

theres a satanic bible?! really tho, havent people taught u who satan is? why would u even **** with satan on your own will? its pure stupidity and any satanist is in need of that holy water. you are a horrible person and i hope you know what ur doing isnt right. its sick and twisted. do you pray to satan before you go to sleep? what has satan ever done for you that makes you want to be one? u see where im going here?

We just said we don't Worship him smh

I want to identify with something that reflects my values and principles.

Humans are social animals and most have always been interested in occult, Nothing wrong with indulging in it right? Especially when it can lead to your self betterment, I guess. The only aspect of the religion we consider theatrical is our usage of ritual. In my opinion satanism is pretty much the only ideology that admits this.
The fallacy with atheism is that humans still have that need to belong, we still "crave" ritual and the sense of community (not for everyone but I guess for the most).

Also important: There isn't only one religion that calls itself Satanism, LAVEYAN Satanism is similiar to Atheism and thats what I believe in.

I devote my life to myself, believe in science too and dont behead goats basically.

According to Mangi and Vici's definitions, I'm a satanist?

athiests and satanists are two different things. what u were talking about above is atheism, no satanism. satanism is just straight up worrshipping him, so yeah, i heard satanism and though you were a satanist youself. your not, your whar we call an athiest. anyway, sorry for the confusion.

nope, they dont know the real meaning of a satanist apparently.

It's prejudice to disagree with something that you don't understand. You don't have to believe in it, but you shouldn't just call it out for being wrong, or sick.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fun...al-beliefs.php

With your thought process, you could say the same about any other religion aside from Christianity. For example: 'Its pure stupidity and any Muslim is in need of that holy water.' You assume your religion is correct, which you very may well believe, but you have to accept that others believe their religion/beliefs are also correct.

Actually, if you read the first FAQ for the link I gave, satanists in fact a type of atheist.

Please, for the love of Yogurt, get off this thread. You have NO idea what you're talking about.
I am a satanist, I just don't worship him like a God, or do rituals. You don't NEED to worship him to be a satanist.

I think you got the meaning of satanism wrong there bud, there isn't only one religion that calls themself Satanism you know?
Also, you aren't really in a position to decide which religion she labels herself in as I believe that you have absolutely no clue what Satanism is and have never read any satanic book before.

http://listverse.com/2015/10/26/10-f...und-the-world/

Different Forms of satanism.