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Aguzo 04-07-2016 10:56 PM
There are programs, and maybe even apps (have not tested) that can make your ms slightly higher to extremely high. I have tested many ways, but the most important of all of this is that when someone is force delaying, it's very noticeable.

This is strictly for educational purposes, so please don't use the following to make yourself delay/lag. Without further a do, I'll list ways on how you can tell when someone is forcing delay/lag.

Spoiler

How to tell if someone is force lagging?
Spoiler

This one is obvious, if they are skipping a ton, but don't delay, and live in the US, then they are forcing lag. If the person is hittable when your sword slashes them, then they aren't delaying, just lagging. This can be forced by downloading content, lag switching, tin foil, or being very far away from your router.

If you don't want to get warned or banned for excessive cheating, and you are using a wireless connection, then just stay as close as you can to your modem.
It doesn't matter if the server is at 4,000 players online, you shouldn't have more than 100 ms difference from the average ms you have during < 3,000.



How to tell is someone is force delaying?

USA and delay?
Spoiler

Very easy, if their flag shows USA, and they delay, then it's a vpn or some other method they use. Just for educational purposes, I will let you know. I have no idea how to use a vpn, but here are the methods:

1. VPN, no idea how to use this, but now that flags are geo-located, if you delay and live in the us, then you are cheating. If your flag is constantly changing, then you are using a vpn. "Just took my private jet to travel to x country in less than 5 minutes, and wow... these hats are expensive"

2. Uploading a video to youtube (This will cause huge amounts of delay, and you will be warping a lot, so it's obviously forced)

3. Using a program like netlimiter, or net balancer. Very new to this. For Netlimiter you would have to upload a video on another browser, while controlling it's upload speed, in order to cause delay (what I was able to figure out on a trial version)
Net balancer let's you straight up add a delay, very easy to use. Anything above 80-100, and you start skipping a lot, so it becomes obvious that it's forced.

There might be other methods, which I don't I don't know about. People say using 3g causes delay, idk.

International and Delay?
Spoiler

You could say that people who don't live in the US "can't help it", but it turns out that they can. After sparring a lot of different international players, I figured out one thing. When you're delaying cleanly, you shouldn't be warping. When you are warping, then you are forcing delay, plain and simple.

They can use the same methods above, and more. People are using their flag as an excuse to have massive amounts of delay and lag. I always like to use shiden as an example. Lives in japan, he delays, but he never warps, natural delay. Delay + warp? Forced, especially when you have to hit ahead 4-5 seconds for every hit.

So, in conclusion. USA shouldn't delay, anyone delaying even slightly is forced.
International players shouldn't be skipping a lot, forced delay.

To the age old question. Is there an advantage to delaying? Yes there is.
Without delay, I can go 4/5:1 in mixed room. In side rooms, probably 8/10:1.
With delay, forced at 600+ (With warping), 10:1 in mixed room, 20:1 in side rooms.

People will say, but delay is easy to beat. Yeah, when you are constantly fighting that person, you can get used to them, but after you forget when to hit, especially when their ms is changing, every once in a while, then they have a huge advantage. They are constantly sparring at that ms, so it's just another normal spar for them, all they have to do is swing early, like they always do.


Also, if anyone wants to help, I might start making a list for the average delay that each country should have.

I could say that x person delays too much or warps too much, but if it's very similar to 20+ other pkayers, then you are safe. If it's way higher, then it's forced. Hopefully, I can get the list done by the end of the month.

Darkk 04-07-2016 11:15 PM
-My theory (probs wrong):
-Natural delay: Consistent, for example the delay would be exactly 0.5 seconds and wouldn't change.

-VPN/intentional delay: The delay would be changing everytime you hit them, for example the delay could range between 0.5 seconds and 1.5 seconds. Note; this doesn't mean they vpn, aboods delay is like this and is always changing (changing mid spar.) This is why people struggle with certain delayers, because predicting is impossible. Consistently warping is a vpn, if your wifi connection is unstable you would freeze and warp or the app would disconnect you.

To test the theory line delayers up in a gh and hit them timing the delay between the sword swing and hit connection. Then try alt accounts on vpns.

When my wifis all good I have a 0.5 second delay according to most. Other Australian's such as Surge and Alex delay far more (probs 1 second, surge could be more.)
Hard to determine a countries average delay, Japan has shiden and his fibre optic router.
If ms helps I average between 190-220.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 03:46 AM
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Posted by Darkk (Post 693139)
If ms helps I average between 190-220.
Yep, seems like anyone with more than this starts to become unstable and laggy. Which would then indicate that it's being forced. Especially when it's not their every day average, nor do the rest of the players in the same country lag/delay that much.

alexx 04-08-2016 04:17 AM
You can lag if multiple people are using the wifi at once, so your saying that you have to spar only when your on the Internet or you are lagging and using VPN? This sounds super unfair, I'm usually sitting at 215-250 and if more than 3 people are using the wifi I will usually lag, you saying that if that happens and I spar, I should be warned for forcing delay? What?

Zetectic 04-08-2016 04:18 AM
different ISP + internet plan + router = different results

is uploading a vid to youtube make u appear laggy in server, but not laggy on ur screen?

Aguzo 04-08-2016 05:07 AM
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Posted by Zetectic (Post 693262)
different ISP + internet plan + router = different results

is uploading a vid to youtube make u appear laggy in server, but not laggy on ur screen?
it makes you look laggy on another connection, while on your screen you look smooth.

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Posted by alexx (Post 693261)
You can lag if multiple people are using the wifi at once, so your saying that you have to spar only when your on the Internet or you are lagging and using VPN? This sounds super unfair, I'm usually sitting at 215-250 and if more than 3 people are using the wifi I will usually lag, you saying that if that happens and I spar, I should be warned for forcing delay? What?
Actually, it's unfair for everyone else. When someone delays + lag, that's a huge advantage, and very annoying to spar against. When family is using the internet, I stop sparring. For me, it's because if I lag I'll do very bad, in my case I try to have a clean connection at all times.

Zetectic 04-08-2016 05:23 AM
@USA players delay part- if they live in rural area or have bad ISP, it can cause them to have some delay or lag. though it's unfair, classic will never force someone to get a better wifi.

u should add the quote where thallen explained about the router-server hop. understanding that concept is pretty important imo.

alexx 04-08-2016 05:44 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693269)
it makes you look laggy on another connection, while on your screen you look smooth.



Actually, it's unfair for everyone else. When someone delays + lag, that's a huge advantage, and very annoying to spar against. When family is using the internet, I stop sparring. For me, it's because if I lag I'll do very bad, in my case I try to have a clean connection at all times.
I wasn't saying this for me. I don't usually queue when I'm warping because I usually suck when it happens and it backfires on me most of the time. This is just for the majority of the laggy community who do spar while they warp, it's not like there going to tell there family to get of the Internet because they want to spar?? Lag can usually backfire on the host as well, so excluding a big chunk of the spar community because of there family using there own internet is a stupid idea and graal would just be crazy with bans, assuming everyone who's warping is a vpner because of this thread and who knows how lenient they will be when it comes to 4K + people online.

David 04-08-2016 05:51 AM
just learn how to spar them, it's really not a huge advantage at all.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 06:19 AM
It is when you have a very huge amount of delay, and the server is at 4k or something. Which then would be the server's fault, and not really the person delaying.

But yeah, if you have delay, and spar during 4k, you will win a lot easier than sparing at night or mornings, just because of the extra ms. Plus some people use 4k as an excuse to force lag/warp, which makes it even easier for them to win. Cause, they see you smoothly on screen, but you see them warping constantly.
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Posted by alexx (Post 693281)
This is just for the majority of the laggy community who do spar while they warp, it's not like there going to tell there family to get of the Internet because they want to spar?? so excluding a big chunk of the spar community because of there family using there own internet is a stupid idea.
No, people like to use that as an excuse to start lagging right before they start sparring.

The whole, everyone does it is dumb, because now that a lot of people are abusing the rules. Everyone thinks it's okay, and they say, "if that person does it, then I can do it too."

David 04-08-2016 06:25 AM
I fundamentally disagree with the premise that lag or delay makes sparring easier for someone. I can imagine that it makes it just as annoying and inconvenient for them. There are a million average delayers, a couple really good ones. Just like there are a million average sparrers who don't delay and a handful of really good ones.

No difference.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 06:31 AM
I've tested it against a lot of people including you. I don't know how long ago it was, but using excessive amount of delay, I was able to streak off of you pretty easily. The matches were boring and long, but I barely had to try to even win.

There is a difference

When the person knows how to take advantage of their delay, it's makes all the difference.

David 04-08-2016 06:39 AM
are you talking about your 1000-50 lagged-out-of-this-world sideroom account? I don't think that counts.

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693298)
There is a difference
http://i.imgur.com/Apk6NPH.png?1

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693298)
I was able to streak off of you pretty easily.
http://i.imgur.com/YUTOBfd.png?1 wehre is teh proofz

Aguzo 04-08-2016 06:49 AM
When you try out delay, then your opinion will be taken into consideration.

4k with 500-600ms, even 300 will do. You will have a fairly easy time against anyone. 180-220, you have to try a little. 220-300, a little less, and the higher you go, the less you have to try.

David 04-08-2016 06:55 AM
I've sparred while on vacation in Montenegro and it was a nightmare. I was averaging ~400ms.

Completely got destroyed by high to mid-tier sparrers at the time and I tried to even go mega defensive. "I win marginally more often when I lag myself to no end, therefore every single person who lags or delays has an easier time sparring against anyone."

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8175957AAUuYIf

Red 04-08-2016 07:16 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693298)
I've tested it against a lot of people including you. I don't know how long ago it was, but using excessive amount of delay, I was able to streak off of you pretty easily. The matches were boring and long, but I barely had to try to even win.

There is a difference

When the person knows how to take advantage of their delay, it's makes all the difference.
Rage vpning on an alt to beat Sarah = testing
https://gyazo.com/12ec5c941936b8d2db65bb544bbc6a02.png

Aguzo 04-08-2016 07:42 AM
Just sparred david more than 8-10 matches, he won once or twice by 0.5-1hp

One of them was early, and the other one was when I dropped to 400ms.

Basically the higher you go, the tougher you are to beat. Even if you only add 70-80ms to what you should be, you have a slightly higher advantage.

By far, david is one of the toughest people to fight against with delay, most of my matches were won by 1hp. Without delay, I have to try and react very fast in order to win. With delay, it's just swing early, and much easier. The only thing I hate about it, is that the matches are boring and long.

alexx 04-08-2016 07:46 AM
And what about the people who are telling the truth about why they are lagging and actually do have multiple people on the wifi? They shouldn't be punished and even banned for "vpning" because you said if you lag=you VPN? Also lots of vpners don't even warp, if your vpning to America and have delay chances are there not even warping, that noobisha girl doesn't even warp and we all know she vpns. So warp doesn't = VPN and people shouldn't be accused of VPN because multiple people are on the wifi.

David 04-08-2016 07:50 AM
I'd say you have a point if I wasn't pretty bad in long spars in general (not because it's gives someone an insane advantage). Some peoples spar style compliments it greatly but that doesn't give an extreme competitive advantage. You turned it off for about 3/9 matches and ya I was able to win easier because I generally like to juke and play reactively instead of proactively, then won 1 with it on. I'd say spar someone who doesn't seem to have much trouble with it, would be more accurate of a measure of how much better someone gets.

Either way, I enjoy sparring anything that forces me to adapt and learn.

Also worth mentioning the server is **** right now and we were warping everywhere

Aguzo 04-08-2016 08:07 AM
I didn't say that lag = vpn, I said it was a method that's being used. That if you have delay, but are warping, then you are forcing more ms. Like I said, if you live in the US, and are delaying, then that's a clear sign of forced delay.

You can have a very small amount of delay, and those don't cause warp, so those one's are hard to tell. The only advice I can give is to just be as low as you can.

I've had issues as well, and it's frustrating to want to spar, but your family is using the wifi. It's especially annoying when you aren't using a wired connection.

Only lowered it to 80ms, you won that by 1.5hp, and 400ms you won that by 0.5-1hp, you won that. The higher I went, the easier it was. I barely tried, that's how easy delay is. Especially when you have a lot.

In conclusion, staff should check other players' countries, check the average ms. Try to find anyone around the same ms as the person who they think is cheating. If they can't find someone with similar average ms, then just give them a warning.

The fact that everyone wants to force lag and delay now, because "everyone is doing it", just shows that staff need to implement new rules.

David 04-08-2016 08:13 AM
I was jumping from 110 to 450 earlier

alexx 04-08-2016 08:20 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693312)
I didn't say that lag = vpn, I said it was a method that's being used. That if you have delay, but are warping, then you are forcing more ms. Like I said, if you live in the US, and are delaying, then that's a clear sign of forced delay.

You can have a very small amount of delay, and those don't cause warp, so those one's are hard to tell. The only advice I can give is to just be as low as you can.

I've had issues as well, and it's frustrating to want to spar, but your family is using the wifi. It's especially annoying when you aren't using a wired connection.

Only lowered it to 80ms, you won that by 1.5hp, and 400ms you won that by 0.5-1hp, you won that. The higher I went, the easier it was. I barely tried, that's how easy delay is. Especially when you have a lot.

In conclusion, staff should check other players' countries, check the average ms. Try to find anyone around the same ms as the person who they think is cheating. If they can't find someone with similar average ms, then just give them a warning.

The fact that everyone wants to force lag and delay now, because "everyone is doing it", just shows that staff need to implement new rules.
"Forcing delay" is a cover-up word for vpn. I'm sure everyone knew when you said forcing delay, you meant vpn. Check your opening message to the thread, in one of your spoilers you clearly said "when your delaying cleanly and have warp, then your forcing delay, (basically saying you VPN) plain and simple"

Aguzo 04-08-2016 08:23 AM
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Posted by alexx (Post 693314)
"Forcing delay" is a cover-up word for vpn. I'm sure everyone knew when you said forcing delay, you meant vpn. Check your opening message to the thread, in one of your spoilers you clearly said "when your delaying cleanly and have warp, then your forcing delay (basically saying you VPN) plain and simple"
Vpn is one of the methods that I listed. I listed it as a way to easily spot vpners, their flags switch a lot. Does not say "you delay, you only use vpn"
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Posted by alexx (Post 693319)
But saying that you are warping means your using a program to force delay/lag is wrong. Also since people who we do know that VPN, don't even warp.
Lagging excessively, means that you are disrupting your connection. Could be on purpose, could probably not be. Never said that warping = vpn. I said if you are delaying, and warping, then it could be due to the fact that you are forcing delay. When your ms gets around 100+ more than what you normally should be running at, then you start skipping a little, the higher your ms is, the more warp you will have.

If you keep your ms low, then you shouldn't be warping consistently. On iOS, which is especially, since it's optimized better than PC, it's a lot easier to keep your ms low, even if your family is using wifi. I don't know how to use a vpn, so I can't really say that using a vpn will make you warp or anything. All I know, is that it shows, when you are constantly changing flags. As for the other methods, you can range from forcing a little between a lot of delay, the higher you go, the more you skip, and the more noticeable it is.

alexx 04-08-2016 08:42 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693316)
Vpn is one of the methods that I listed. I listed it as a way to easily spot vpners, their flags switch a lot. Does not say "you delay, you only use vpn"
No idea what you mean in your last sentence of your quote, I've never said "you delay you only use VPN" if anything I'd argue agaisnt that so..???? Flag switching is the best way to spot a VPN, Americans with 150-250ms delay is also another good way to spot VPN. But saying that you are warping means your using a program to force delay/lag is wrong. Also since people who we do know that VPN, don't even warp.

Red 04-08-2016 09:05 AM
Aguzo trying to make stupid theory's up again, give it a break dude you aren't even relevant you just spam these threads with useless ideas that make no sense.

Fulgore 04-08-2016 04:03 PM
"This is troublesome cause a lot more people are doing it now"

"Here's how to do it btw"

"Here are some posted results showing how amazing this worked for me"

"But don't do it pls"

"Staf halp"

P1 04-08-2016 05:12 PM
Aguzos baseless theories are for the most part horsesh*t. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who took his posts with any modicum of seriousness.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 07:49 PM
Funny how I didn't go into extreme detail on how to delay, just listed the methods, that I currently know of and what happens when you use them. How to know when someone is using these methods.

If you don't want to accept it, that's fine. No one is forcing you to like my statements. They still remain true whether you like them or not.

Also, I like how it's supossedly bull, when you have used a vpn before, and you like to call me some sort of hacker when I destroy you in gs at belle.

Kuz 04-08-2016 08:04 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693427)
Funny how I didn't go into extreme detail on how to delay, just listed the methods, that I currently know of and what happens when you use them. How to know when someone is using these methods.

If you don't want to accept it, that's fine. No one is forcing you to like my statements. They still remain true whether you like them or not.

Also, I like how it's supossedly bull, when you have used a vpn before, and you like to call me some sort of hacker when I destroy you in gs at belle.
Quoting this before Aguzo deletes his post after he re-reads what he just said.


I don't think Alex has used VPN he's just laggy man...lol but can we please get back on topic before you guys all start arguing...again...

Aguzo 04-08-2016 08:10 PM
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Posted by Kuz (Post 693435)
Quoting this before Aguzo deletes his post after he re-reads what he just said.


I don't think Alex has used VPN he's just laggy man...lol but can we please get back on topic before you guys all start arguing...again...
I wasn't going to delete that.

I didn't say alex has used a vpn. I already stated so many times, staff have to check other people in that country's ping. If they find enough people similar, then it's most likely lag. If not, "how is this person the only one with this amount of ping?" They give the person a warning, and if they continue to have super high ping way above everyone else, then yeah.

Kuz 04-08-2016 08:31 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693437)
I wasn't going to delete that.

I didn't say alex has used a vpn. I already stated so many times, staff have to check other people in that country's ping. If they find enough people similar, then it's most likely lag. If not, "how is this person the only one with this amount of ping?" They give the person a warning, and if they continue to have super high ping way above everyone else, then yeah.
I know what you're tryna say but Dark said Australians have different amounts of lag...So have all the other Australians...so what people are tryna say is checking their country's ping isn't gonna be that useful in some scenarios if one part of the country is laggy and the other isn't...Also you gotta take into consideration peoples ISPs...

Aguzo 04-08-2016 08:37 PM
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Posted by Kuz (Post 693444)
I know what you're tryna say but Dark said Australians have different amounts of lag...So have all the other Australians...so what people are tryna say is checking their country's ping isn't gonna be that useful in some scenarios if one part of the country is laggy and the other isn't...Also you gotta take into consideration peoples ISPs...
It's not going to be, "okay let's check timmy and bobby, if they are low, then this person get's warned"... no it's not going to be a checkup on just 2 people. They would have to check a lot, before they decide if someone is obviously cheating. If you check enough people, you will see that a lot of the legit one's are around the same latency. The one's that are higher, they would have to find enough people around the same latency as well. Super high latency, same thing.

Darkk 04-08-2016 09:30 PM
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Posted by *Dae (Post 693397)
Aguzos baseless theories are for the most part horsesh*t. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who took his posts with any modicum of seriousness.
Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.

Highly derogatory that red calls anyone else an idiot, considering how he displays himself in public and the fact that he lives in a "semi-rural" area. Australian's who live in semi-rural areas make up the lower 40 percentile of study scores (VCE/HSC scores) in the final year of highschool- across the respective state. Note, thats averaging a fail on every assessment. In addition they are all rednecks/bogans.

Fulgore 04-08-2016 09:43 PM
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Posted by Darkk (Post 693457)
Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.

Highly derogatory that red calls anyone else an idiot, considering how he displays himself in public and the fact that he lives in a "semi-rural" area. Australian's who live in semi-rural areas make up the lower 40 percentile of study scores (VCE/HSC scores) in the final year of highschool- across the respective state. Note, thats averaging a fail on every assessment. In addition they are all rednecks/bogans.
You're trying waaaaaaaayyyyy too hard for something nobody will find funny

Darkk 04-08-2016 09:47 PM
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Posted by Fulgore (Post 693459)
You're trying waaaaaaaayyyyy too hard for something nobody will find funny
2 minutes give or take 1 is minimal effort. Waaaayyyy too hard, true

P1 04-08-2016 09:57 PM
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Posted by Darkk (Post 693457)
Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.
This is so cute, you coming to the rescue of your dear friend Aguzo. Man, you just can't write love stories like this. The only way you and your dearest Aguzo will ever be satisfied with the sparring system is if everyone except you two were banned from sparring/gs. You'd finally be able to live out your fantasy of being good at sparring. Hell, you two can spend days on end circle jerking each other about spar rankings. Only to conclude that you're both tied for the GOAT position.

These VPN comments you make are almost as cute as your questionable relationship with Aguzo. It seems like every time you lose in a GS its everybody else's fault, but your own. I've seen you throw around these baseless accusations at basically anyone you don't like or who is better than you. But just to throw an alternative idea out there, just maybe you're not actually half as good as you think you are. It seems like the only way you think you'll be able to compete with the rest of the GS community is if you drag them down to your low level or just by not allowing them to compete, instead of bettering yourself.

alexx 04-08-2016 09:59 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693316)
Vpn is one of the methods that I listed. I listed it as a way to easily spot vpners, their flags switch a lot. Does not say "you delay, you only use vpn"


Lagging excessively, means that you are disrupting your connection. Could be on purpose, could probably not be. Never said that warping = vpn. I said if you are delaying, and warping, then it could be due to the fact that you are forcing delay. When your ms gets around 100+ more than what you normally should be running at, then you start skipping a little, the higher your ms is, the more warp you will have.

If you keep your ms low, then you shouldn't be warping consistently. On iOS, which is especially, since it's optimized better than PC, it's a lot easier to keep your ms low, even if your family is using wifi. I don't know how to use a vpn, so I can't really say that using a vpn will make you warp or anything. All I know, is that it shows, when you are constantly changing flags. As for the other methods, you can range from forcing a little between a lot of delay, the higher you go, the more you skip, and the more noticeable it is.
I'm just gonna reply to this since I know this thread is getting outta hand and try to keep this on topic. I get it you don't you didn't directly said lag=VPN, and VPN is just one of the programs that may be used and whatnot. But I don't think majority of spar have heard of these programs to even be using them to begin with, so the most obvious your refferin to is VPN. And no you never said "if your delaying cleanly and you warp that it COULD mean you forcing delay(VPN)" you said that if your warping while delaying cleanly then you ARE using something to force delay "plain and simple" I wouldn't be arguing this if you didn't say that everyone who is warping uses a program to force delay/lag, which is basically what you have said. I'd love to if I was warping and decide to spar, that I wouldn't be accused of using something to force my delay because of this thread.

Darkk 04-08-2016 10:03 PM
^Effort? I didn't discuss the spar ranking thing with aguzo. I don't even talk to him. Anyways dae, vpns are being banned these days, so see-ya?

Alex and David arguing with what aguzo said is constructive

Kuz 04-08-2016 10:08 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693445)
It's not going to be, "okay let's check timmy and bobby, if they are low, then this person get's warned"... no it's not going to be a checkup on just 2 people. They would have to check a lot, before they decide if someone is obviously cheating. If you check enough people, you will see that a lot of the legit one's are around the same latency. The one's that are higher, they would have to find enough people around the same latency as well. Super high latency, same thing.
I understand what u mean...your OP I agree with half of what you say but I think you're asking too much for a system to not have many flaws...

Someone told me VPNing isn't even illegal unless it's abused...I think we should just make all VPNing illegal to detterent people from using it and I think if the playerbase takes pictures of people VPNing (using their country flags) and send it to admins I think they can probably confirm of it's true that person is VPNing or not...

Kosiris 04-08-2016 10:12 PM
that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.

alexx 04-08-2016 10:30 PM
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Posted by Kosiris (Post 693474)
that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.
^^^^^ basically this, the first part when he says he's worried if milo will consider this, since on the other thread (can someone explain this) milo basically agreed with aguzos stupid idea and said "thanks, will take this into consideration when dealing with further cases" obviously people think that what aguzo has been saying is correct and is the best way to spot a vpner, when it's not, and if anything would get people to be wrongly accused of forcing delay/lag and banned.

Void 04-08-2016 10:36 PM
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Posted by Kosiris (Post 693474)
that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.
Pretty much case closed.

P1 04-08-2016 10:55 PM
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Posted by Kosiris (Post 693474)
that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.
The entire purpose of this thread was basically to witch hunt certain players that Dark or Aguzo dislike/find difficult to play against.

eko 04-08-2016 10:57 PM
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Posted by Darkk (Post 693139)
-VPN/intentional delay: The delay would be changing everytime you hit them, for example the delay could range between 0.5 seconds and 1.5 seconds. Note; this doesn't mean they vpn, aboods delay is like this and is always changing (changing mid spar.) This is why people struggle with certain delayers, because predicting is impossible. Consistently warping is a vpn, if your wifi connection is unstable you would freeze and warp or the app would disconnect you.
Dae always has the same delay, I'd say around 1 second, as do most UK sparrers. I have fibre optic internet, therefore I delay less than him and most UK sparrers.

Claiming he VPNs for what reason? If he was the leader of the DBZ guild, then his flag was still UK, and his flag has never been anything but UK.

Every day or 2 your status is "lagging.", and it's a lot more common than Dae lagging (when his brother was downloading something). Therefore you VPN right? One day you have no delay, the next you're delaying as bad as the bigger delayers - and warping around.

Also it's crazy to see how cocky you became because you did well in 1 GST

Red 04-08-2016 10:57 PM
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Posted by *Dae (Post 693486)
The entire purpose of this thread was basically to witch hunt certain players that Dark or Aguzo dislike/find difficult to play against.
Thank you dae, you seem quiet in game but you're the only one besides Alex and Fulgloryhole who make sense on this thread.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 10:59 PM
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Posted by *Dae (Post 693468)
This is so cute, you coming to the rescue of your dear friend Aguzo. Man, you just can't write love stories like this. The only way you and your dearest Aguzo will ever be satisfied with the sparring system is if everyone except you two were banned from sparring/gs. You'd finally be able to live out your fantasy of being good at sparring. Hell, you two can spend days on end circle jerking each other about spar rankings. Only to conclude that you're both tied for the GOAT position.


These VPN comments you make are almost as cute as your questionable relationship with Aguzo. It seems like every time you lose in a GS its everybody else's fault, but your own. I've seen you throw around these baseless accusations at basically anyone you don't like or who is better than you. But just to throw an alternative idea out there, just maybe you're not actually half as good as you think you are. It seems like the only way you think you'll be able to compete with the rest of the GS community is if you drag them down to your low level or just by not allowing them to compete, instead of bettering yourself.
I like how stating that dae actually did use a vpn to win gst against mother is called "defending dearest aguzo", and he results into saying desperate things like
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Posted by *Dae (Post 693468)
circle jerking each other
I mean really, if you are gonna post something, at least don't lie about it in order to defend your "circle". Also, not sure why you would call someone a hacker for clutching against your team in gs PRACTICE, and then say that they are bad.

I'm starting to think that people are trying to hush and pretend that these things don't exist in order to keep force delaying themselves. Using words like "your fantasy, low level, love stories"... come on now. Is this what the guild represents now?

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Posted by *Dae (Post 693486)
The entire purpose of this thread was basically to witch hunt certain players that Dark or Aguzo dislike/find difficult to play against.
Don't have anything against any sparrer, just want staff to know the difference, when it's forced and when it's not.

eko 04-08-2016 11:14 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693489)
I like how stating that dae actually did use a vpn to win gst against mother is called "defending dearest aguzo", and he results into saying desperate things like
Uhhh? I'm pretty sure no one even complained about Dae's lag when we won against Mother. If anything, Clops and someone else were saying things such as "How to hit eko?" because of the delay that I had.

Also, if you already know Dae used VPN to win against Mother, why bother making a whole video on the guild winning the GST?

P1 04-08-2016 11:22 PM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693489)
I like how stating that dae actually did use a vpn to win gst against mother is called "defending dearest aguzo", and he results into saying desperate things like
LMAO, dead.

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693489)
I mean really, if you are gonna post something, at least don't lie about it in order to defend your "circle". Also, not sure why you would call someone a hacker for clutching against your team in gs PRACTICE, and then say that they are bad.
I'm not quite sure how to respond to these ******ed comments. I'm just going to assume someone kicked you in the head today hence, why you're acting more autistic than usual.

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 693489)
I'm starting to think that people are trying to hush and pretend that these things don't exist in order to keep force delaying themselves. Using words like "your fantasy, low level, love stories"... come on now. Is this what the guild represents now? Don't have anything against any sparrer, just want staff to know the difference, when it's forced and when it's not.
You and Dark circle jerk each other so hard I'm genuinely surprised you two haven't seriously hurt each other yet. You two basically make the same thread/posts every few months or so and think no one else realises what your actual intentions are, which is to witch hunt certain players. Every time you two autistics make these types of thread/posts you get shut down. At this point I'm not sure whether you're two are just insanely obsessed or dumb af.

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Posted by eko (Post 693518)
Uhhh? I'm pretty sure no one even complained about Dae's lag when we won against Mother. If anything, Clops and someone else were saying things such as "How to hit eko?" because of the delay that I had.

Also, if you already know Dae used VPN to win against Mother, why bother making a whole video on the guild winning the GST?
Glad you pointed this out, I just went to check his youtube channel where he uploaded this video. Lo and behold it's gone. What a coincidence, right? It's not like Aguzo would make some ******ed accusation then remove the video that clearly proves him wrong.

Aguzo 04-08-2016 11:30 PM
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Posted by eko (Post 693518)
Uhhh? I'm pretty sure no one even complained about Dae's lag when we won against Mother. If anything, Clops and someone else were saying things such as "How to hit eko?" because of the delay that I had.
Even thallen complained about Dae before he joined alumni. Dae taught skull or idk how else skull learned how to have massive delay, but then he stopped, so that's good, since he is way better without delay... but cmon now, Mother definitely did complain about that stuff. It was in their teams' statuses. It wasn't until later that people started to get d/c, and then a lot of people laughed about it.

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Posted by eko (Post 693518)
Also, if you already know Dae used VPN to win against Mother, why bother making a whole video on the guild winning the GST?
What does this even have to do with anything? Spending hours recording, and then some delayers win gst should mean that I shouldn't upload the video?

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Posted by *Dae (Post 693558)
I'm not quite sure how to respond to these ******ed comments.
I'm not sure that putting any more effort into your responses would make them any different from what you just described.

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Posted by *Dae (Post 693558)
I'm just going to assume someone kicked you in the head today hence, why you're acting more autistic than usual.
Yeah, because what you are posting is very far from that.
vvvv
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Posted by *Dae (Post 693558)
You and Dark circle jerk each other so hard I'm genuinely surprised you two haven't seriously hurt each other yet. You two basically make the same thread/posts every few months or so and think no one else realises what your actual intentions are, which is to witch hunt certain players. Every time you two autistics make these types of thread/posts you get shut down. At this point I'm not sure whether you're two are just insanely obsessed or dumb af.

P1 04-08-2016 11:36 PM
Just go back to making your cringe worthy Graalbusters threads. Maybe you can ask for help and try and figure out the reason for your severe mental handicap.


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