We need a "Trade Admin".
 

So. I have come up with a plan to fix the trade economy. I feel like we need to have a system in place where each item has an official price point of zc set by an admin, I think it would be a good idea also to have an assigned person to handle the price of those items and adjust them as needed. Now it would also be a good idea to make this "Trade Admin" in charge of what is tradable and what is not. And now when each item has a set zc price and it doesnt have to be say an exact price it could be a wide range of prices so say like for example some random said gun is worth 1000-1200, then it could only be traded for something else that is worth an ammount of zc in that price range. This would not only help with the messed up trade economy, but it would stop scamming and also give clueless players a better idea of what their item is worth if they don't know. That being said I have also observed this from a perspective of "will this effect the games income." and it really shouldn't make it worse, infact it may even make it better. Right now rare items are being sold for small prices and if they were sold at what they should be worth people would be intreeged to buy graalium to trade for it. So, now that I have explained pros and cons... I honestly feel like I would be a good pick for this role if we choose to do it. I have been around off and on since the begining of the game and I know where a large majority of items came from, what you did to obtain them, how old they are, and I can also do the math to price things at a fair and more reasonable price. And I know a lot of people may not agree with this at first, but in the long run I truely believe it would make Zone's trading system 100x better. Also just incase someone's like "I wanna give this to my friend." or "I want to let my friend borrow this." We could have a seperate feature for those one for gifting where they can straight up give an item to someone for nothing or another thing where you can let someone "borrow" an item for X ammount of time and maybe charge a small fee for gifting and borrowing.

Thatd ruin the whole idea of trading and player based economy.
Sorry but it just wouldnt work.

The whole idea of a playerbased economy was already ruined by the players

Didn't we have a trade admin at one point and it failed?
I believe Hero and Shadow were the admins.

They were hired to monitor the trade tables, which honestly seemed like another pointless tag. May as well just have hired them as GPs, and I think even Tashkin realized this himself.

Maybe adding a trade bulliten would help. Requires no standing at tables, and you can compare prices

The point of trading is for a player to try and earn a good deal not to get a set price on something, players either want it enough to buy for more or you don't get it simply as. stupid idea.

What would change the economy would be restocking zc shop with multiple stuff some worth 20k + 10k(as last time i was on someone had 30k zc and that was while ago) + do lots worth 1k-5k melee's guns spells/powers! soon as you take most zc back out of game then the trading will become more reasonable.

No.

Items shouldn't have set prices from staff. It's supply and demand. It's not iZone's job to monitor and set prices for all items and hats. It's a free economy.

We still need to make it enjoyable tho. I think adding more items into the game would help, and no more one of a kinds.

May I remind everyone when weapons were disabled for trading?

Don't make changes. They work.

Or if you want, get rid of trades entirely now.

Fix stuff.

Add them back in like 3 months.

Don't make continuous changes to them while people are using them... It ruins it.

The thing is though, Old and rare items are selling for chump change while some other items are selling for stupid rediculous prices. The thing is, with the way it is now you can't get what you're item should be worth. All someone has to do is say "Not worth." and suddenly whatever price they say becomes the new price.

For example the red christmas rifle was the very first freakin holiday shop gun, it was also one of the 5th guns added to the game overall. It sells for supposedly 600zc? Where as the other guns sold the next year go for around 2-3k? or how the Rubix Cube was again another old hat. It was the event hat back in 2012 sure it was common at the time but now its died out, and only a few remain. Yet people want to insist its only worth 2k zc, but I've had others PM literally shocked that the thing is only worth 2k, I agree, it should be worth much more because compared to other hats like it it's only chump change. All these prices are basically set at a "Oo i want that but I'm poor so i'm gonna say that the items only worth that much!" like for real, the AP Rippers are another good example of how messed up our economy was people would pay 42k just to turn around and make some quick zc, which is fine and all, but they were selling them at 250zc. That is literally a no logic price. Because if you use 42k to just buy graalium and then sell it for zc then it adds up to be about 850zc so why would anyone in their right mind do that? And again, the pulse sniper is just worth 100k zc for no reason at all. The only reason being that trigger said so. and get this, if you cash in 100kzc for 200k graalium then sell it all, you can instantly get 2 mill gralats. That is insane considering it didnt even sell for anywhere near 2mill.

It's supply and demand. If someone doesn't want to pay 1k ZC, they won't, and if no one else does either, then the seller has to sell it for less. That's how the economy works, people pay what they think its worth, and people sell for what they think its worth, and buyers & sellers find an agreeable price. No one's going to follow mandatory staff prices, plus if you add 1 more item that only 4 exist currently, the price could change drastically, or not much at all. We can't predict how prices will change. It's basically a stock market, a gamble. Zone shouldn't be setting prices on items that players are buying and selling.

I wish that was how things work pig, but no. How things work rn is everyone has a set price for items and if you want to sell anything for any more then it's worth everyone starts yelling "noob" and "you're an idiot it's only worth X amount or, you're trying to scam people! scammer!" The thing is, they bully you into selling things for a set price and if you try to sell it at a set price higher then what it's worth and someone does decide they want to buy it it's fine and dandy till someone stalks your trade and yells "That's not worth!!!!" And ruins it completely. We already basically have set prices. They are just really messed up.

I mean it does work like that...

You can always find me selling vip items for 15zc and buying melees for 500 just to cut the crap of bargaining.

Like you know it's right when Pig and I agree...

It's set by the community. It doesn't matter what others say, and the community is supposed to help each other out to prevent scamming. Prices also change. That's how it does work. Zone doesn't need to set mandatory prices for every single item and hat... There's no point in trading then. Someone might really want the xmas rifle, so they're willing to pay more than what its worth. Someone might not want it that bad, and is only willing to pay less. The price depends upon the buyer and the seller.

PS if you're selling VIP items for 15 ZC, I'll buy ;)

What pig said.

One time I didn't have ZC.

So I paid Pig like a $10 gift card... Lmao.

*I only sell them for liek 15zc when they come out and don't want the inven space.*

I'm sorry but players don't "help" each other unless they are friends. The people that ruin trades do it just to be mean, like oh now I want 50 more zc then what an item is "worth" I'm totally a scammer.

Not true.

I give noobs the old stuff I don't want for inventory space since 1) I hate having too much items. Males using the quickslot hard 2) it might be the difference from them staying on zone or not.

I'm sorry, but there shouldn't be a set price for trading... That would essentially make it like buying stuff...

I've started this before, if you don't like an items price- start a boycott. Not only has it actually worked in real life, it's occured on Zone multiple times.

Like dangos are now cheaper than before since people stopped buying them and made the sellers sell them for less.

Or how Amer bought like all of the burritos and sold them for a lot less than what he bought them for(hes the realest mvp).

Or how Amer bought all the panda hats and gave them to friends who never sold them so the price is like really high now.

Or how Amer gave away 100zc to like 15 people which has for sure influenced the economy...

So yea.

Ask Amer how to be cool k.

It really irritates me how players always go towards staff before even attempting to do anything. It bothered me as a staff, it bothered me as a player, it bothers me as a white male, it bothers me as a black female. It bothers me.

I don't wanna hear any of that "too hard" excuse

Amer hacked someone & stole all his items, soo

This is why zone is dying

Are you kidding me? It's a total monopoly the way it is right now, regardless of how cheap or expensive things are. It already is "like buying stuff."

It's a player made economy man if you don't like it stop begging for someone to give you an easy way out life is hard get over it

Well, in idarks defense, I play a game called Warframe and they actually made a site for trade prices, all items and mods have a set low and high selling point, and its a community thing and its managed very well. People will go strictly by whats listed on there. With that, you can still profit by buying low and selling for the max set price, but now theres far less of a chance of prices being raised by these greedy scammers that we just let run rampant and uncontrolled.

idarkness, this idea was already created and the trades admins either abused didnt do their job. This caused players to dislike trading. But either than that good idea!

People need to understand the concept of turnover. Profit is definitely possible regardless of average price statistics.

Is it a monopoly? I'd brush up on the definition... Or the game... It's only like $.10 on the Play Store... Go buy it.

Btw, wots the first part supposed to mean? Like if you said something about us agreeing the Illuminati, k. But I was just stating that pig and I are always on opposites sides and there are certain topics that we do agree on- since they're the correct standpoints. (not the best word choice but you get the idea. #AllViewPointsMatter) Like pigs the guy who's always on the staff side... I'm always the guy who just goes against the majority for the fun of arguing... But trading isn't an issue.

To say it's broken is like saying time is broken. Everybody perceives it differently. Everyone utilizes it differently. Everyone even says it differently. People do cheat the system. They overclock it(ba dum tss). Others underclock it and get less profit. Either way, you're still living AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS!
(Sometimes I purposely try to make comparisons to things that don't make sense... But this was just bad... I'll remember to steer from time analogies from now on*)

But fr. Pigs a well known admin. So respect his ideas. I'm a well known exadmin. So like... Uhm... Tolerate my ideas? Idk. Do something with them. Like did you know that Shirley Jackson was happy when The Lottery was banned in Russia? She said that it at least showed that they understood the concept of it... So yea. Be russia. I'll be Mrs Jackson. I'll keep writing loss stuff which won't get any attention until I'm dead and you guys can keep rejecting me k.
(see now that's a good analogy... Imma write that down for AlbF)

No it wasn't. Trade Admins never did anything with prices. Their job was to be a ZP but limited to the trade room. They were supposed to look for people duping (which is hilarious because it's not like 50% of the people were duping items that would cause a need for 2 TAs) and try to find a way to dupe items themselves, since they were actually caught doing that prior to being hired, lol... TA was a joke position. Stefan told Tashkin to remove it because it was a pointless position.

And @SKT, well I disagree with the statement that traades are fine. I think the trading system is broken, but it has nothing to do with prices or scammers. It has to do with the items we have, and what's tradeable, and how people get certain items. Scamming will never be fixed. If you make a list of price points for every item, no one who gets scammed would use it. The only people who would use it are the experienced players, who don't get scammed. We put statues all over saying "say /clearchat to clear people's chat" for when someone was blocking an item with their chat, yet none of the newer players utilized that. I got so many reports of scamming with the chat, even though we clearly put signs out saying how to resolve that issue.

When I don't know the price of an item/hat, I stand in trades and ask for offers, I won't accept any offers, but I'll ask for a while until I get the feel for a good price. We can't help if people are stupid and impatient, making fake set prices on everything won't help that problem.

The reason I said the first part was because you let your arrogance get the best of you, like many other zone players. It isn't personal, so don't take it that way.

It has nothing to do with pig's ideas.

Honestly it wasn't a bad idea. Just poor implementation. Like I do think that there could maybe be one staff member who could specifically check the trade logs just to see anything fishy going on. But 2? Lmao. Especially the people who were caught doing it... And they got prizes? Lmao. Tash was high during that one. But yea, honestly this could be a thing for every area of gameplay. Get on ZP at the end of the day to like check logs on basing, pking, all that fun jazz. Would be hype out of skype. Would be greater than twitter. Wouldnt be as f****d as facebook. Would be as chill as soundthrill. Would be as ham as instagram. Would be as great as reddit.

Okay I'll stop saying things that almost rhyme but don't k.
Na I'm not arrogant. Its not arrogant when the president addresses the nation as "The President"...its because he is. I know I'm the best spammer. I take pride in that. I know I am annoying. As annoying as other Zonians? Debatable. But I take pride in knowing I'm blocked by about 1 in every 8 squad leaders in the top 50s list. Arrogance is when you try to enforce something people don't already know. People know I do the kekz. That's like saying Hanson is being arrogant for complaining about people blocking him. #Shadez. I don't take things personal. I take things in my gut and bury them there. That way when I die my starving children which I will never feed may finally eat and thrive. #FamGoals

This actually ties into trading.

Side note, if you're a trader stop telling me when I should and shouldn't trade doe something. Like help the noobs out. I have more hours than some of you. I know what I'm doing. Like that's actually smh. You're not my mom, stop making decisions for me.

There should be like an option in trades where instead of a PM you can click the head on the table to send an offer which literally essentially just takes you to the normal table screen but sends like a PM of it. You can confirm/reject from there and it would make tables easier to get/find for trading.

@SKT they didn't check logs. Checking logs each day for trades is implausible. It would take hours to see all trade logs for 1 day and you couldn't just tell if something was wrong.

But I do agree, Tash was high during that TA thing.

There could just be a random check.

Like close your eyes.

Pick one.

Remember when the lottery winner in Arizona was an illegal immigrant... Well guess how they found out...?

If all be, people would be scared to be haxors.
(plus if you're fancy and learn the patterns, you could probably find some irregularities that are poopay)

I disagree, seems like a pointless position.

I can also imagine it would be horrible for 'Trade Admins' getting spammed about trade prices, “I was scammed!", and “this noob won't leave my table!!!"

Most people would report if something happened to them, which is much more efficient than randomly checking logs.

Tbh the trading room needs to change as all i see is the right bottom being used 90% of the time with the exception of some people using the top right and left. Either the trading system needs to change into a biding system (look at Delteria for a good trading system but still it could be better than that but the system probably needs changing) or just make the trade rooms smaller (not so wide) or more compact.

I'm still for the price range idea

Here's the problem with a price range.

Make a set price for items sold in store.

What about fancy hats?

Or what about when items get nerfed or buffed?

The economy is always changing. Even daily. I've seen the red rifle gun thing that's red and like good(you can really tell that I'm a guns expert) go for 120 3 nights ago. And then like 210 two days ago.

Let the players decide what they want to buy and sell and for what price.

Because for someone like Adrien who hasn't been on in 60 days and has 7000zc, she gets on and doesnt even bargain. She dunz give a crap.

Then you have people like me who owes Amer like 100zc(praise the spaghetti monster he quit) and always gets the cheeky 5 zc drop.

Letting the players decide is why we make post like these. Most have no clue what theyre doing and others just raise prices unfaiirly to squeeze out as many zc as they can from others, theres only a few that trade fairly now. Prices just keep going up because people are being greedy. Something in writing is far more effective than an imaginary price range.

I agree with SKT. It's supply and demand. Supply changes, maybe not always, but demand definitely changes. When everyone who actually wants the red dango gets it, then people won't pay as much for it anymore because the demand went down. It's a free market. No new players would use a price range thing, so no one can even argue that it will help prevent scamming, because the ones that get scammed are the ones that won't use it.

That's Communist talk.

And only I can be a commy k.

"prices just going up because people are being greedy"

That's this thing called an economy. And wot you talking about Willis? Rippers. Sabres. Jetpacks. That red weapon thing talked about. The most circulated items are all WAYYYY below what they were 4 months ago.

The only weapons that are high are the useful ones everyone should own like flame, goon, ice, etc. Because nobody ever wants to sell theres. Like pig said. It's supply and demand. When none are circulated, like the er cannon, it's expensive. No matter what the power of it. Now take something powerful but overly used... Well it's cheap.

I believe humans are held back and will eventually die before I'm even 100 years dead. But I'm at least optimistic that we as a species are smart enough to form relationships and communities until that day. So have trust in them noob traders.

Here have a link for learning how to supply when stuff is in demand. http://www.investopedia.com/universi...economics3.asp

Here's an idea, make the weapons cheaper. Because it's not like anybody buys them with gralats anyway.

If prices go up, it's because the buyers are willing to pay more, hence demand. It's pretty simple.

Is there anyone else that can reply to what i last said, cuz i stopped taking skt seriously ages ago and i just disagree with pig. No need for me to type a post reinstating the same the without another viewpoint

Uh Geno don't start acting like DIC.

You wanted the general viewpoint.

This isn't even an arrogant thing, but between Pig and I we basically do create the majority of the populations opinions.

Don't start being DIC who just ignores any opinion that doesn't agree with him.

Even if you disagree with that last statement of us being essentially covering up every point of view, a reason Tash gave for switching from in game forums is that the in game one's gave everyone a voice. Sometimes the only voices that should be heard are the ones that actually take it a step further and still attempt.

#WoahPig. #IThinkHeJustCalledYouOut #FightHim #IllBackYouUp #IllPutInRingsUnderYourGloves #EzKnockouts #Yee. #IShouldStartDoingMoreHashtagsAgain

I kind of did address what you were saying in my post below this one. Supply and Demand changes, so prices change constantly. People who currently get scammed won't use this 'writing' for a set price range. They won't know, or care about it. I really don't think you understand the magnitude of what this idea entails. Who is zone to set a price? How would we get the price? You do know how many items and hats there are; that's a lot to try to pinpoint a price range on. If we set the price range based on the things people sell an item for, then the entire system is flawed since you just said people sell them for more than they're really worth, then we would be setting a price range for the current inaccurate prices of each item. Zone's trade system is also a barter system. Sure, people use ZC as a currency, very often in fact. But many items are traded for other items. We can't set prices on every item such as: Love Rifle is worth 3.5k zc, or carrot dagger and pink yoyo, or red flame wing hat and 500 ZC and futuristic bow. It's implausible. Back to my previous statement that anyone who thinks this idea is even possible doesn't truly understand the magnitude that this idea entails.

This economy isnt gonna get better this way. We need more ways to get zc and reasons to actually have them

I proposed a failproof method to improve the economy withing 3 months. I posted it in one of our old economy discussion threads, but everybody either fails to acknowledge any new ideas posted on Graalians, or they are far too lazy to actually want to contribute.

However, my plan involves removal of ZC generating jobs, if you will, and introducing a trading currency that would essentially replace ZC in the long run (face it, there is WAY too much ZC right now). To acquire the new ZC, you trade 1 ZC, for 1 of the new currency at a booth. The demand for ZC goes up while the supply goes down, thus the value increases tremendously. The new currency eventually dominates ZC. Now, the jobs generate the new currency, but it requires effort to acquire it. It's still possible to make zone into an anti-p2w server, as long as there isn't really any graalium trading and what not.

Oh, I forgot to mention that in my idea, the ZC shop items switch to being sold in the new currency, and many more items added, as to give an incentive for exchanging ZC to the new currency in an attempt to reduce the ZC supply.

In essence, we need to spend more ZC to save the economy, not acquire more.

ZC is what's ruining the economy. Well, a major part at least. Only problem, which is a huge problem, is that there's no turning back now, really. The damage is done. Not sure if there's any method that will actually fix it all, other than removing ZC and starting over, which would ruin a lot of player's trading. I think TWIZ' idea is good, but ZC is way too abundant, so ZC would need to be exchanged more, like a 5:1 ratio for ZC->new currency. I would just remove ZC and replace it. No need to give players the option. Also a lot more items sold in the ZC shop won't necessarily help. It's too abundant and too easy to get that these 1 time buys don't matter to the overall economy. Events need to be separated with an entire different currency and shop, and the new trading currency could have 2 options. 1. It could be used literally only as currency and have no real value, except for the players giving it value. It may very well sound stupid, but in real life, this is exactly how things work. Gold is a major currency in the stock market, but has no real value or worth except for what civilization has placed on it. Option 2. would be creating something to give the trading currency worth, without them necessarily being used in a shop. The currency does need to be flushed out of the economy to make space for the new ones being obtained, whether this currency provides some advantage, a subscription to free trades, or anything really, just something to flush some of it out without creating an actual shop.

I assume that forcing people to replace it would cause too much confusion. They wouldn't see it coming, not to mention they would have to be notified what the exchange rate is to begin with.

Also, it wouldn't really change the value of things once people actually realize what the exchange rate is. They will simply decrease the prices accordingly. There is no relative decrease in supply, nor demand, and therefore no value is changed.

What about making graalium the primary trading currency? Like remove zc and make a thing where you can cash them in for graalium?

you know, no one here has the power to do these things, juz saying.

*ducks*

Still need a plan tho :p