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Vladamir Blackthorne 12-30-2015 12:29 AM

[DEBATE] Capitalism VS Communism VS Socialism VS Syndicalism
 
I want to see a debate over which of these philosophies are the "best". Idk, I'm just bored so... lol have this thread. Go ahead and debate for whatever one you think is the best in practice.

CM 12-30-2015 12:29 AM

a political debate on graalians? this can only end so well
i like that capitalist game on steam though

The Doctor 12-30-2015 12:42 AM

I think that Capitalism is the best system for the United States currently, but we do have some Socialist institutions that are working well. Most industrialized countries have a fine mix between the two.

Crono 12-30-2015 12:43 AM

all suck in their pure forms, need a healthy mix of capitalism and socialism

MementoJoker 12-30-2015 12:58 AM

Islamic economics

Mrs Simons 12-30-2015 12:59 AM

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Posted by MementoJoker (Post 653136)
Islamic economics

yeep

5hift 12-30-2015 01:10 AM

On paper, Communism can appeal greatly to the lower class.

However the reason why Communism never really worked was because somebody had to first take charge of the country and make sure that the country was secured.

Then what was supposed to happen was the government would eventually fade away leave the people independent.

But that never happened because most communist leaders were too busy making themselves overly powerful and corrupt and eventually the entire system collapsed on itself.

Ultimately, the reason why communism doesn't work 99% of the time is because their leaders usually end up abusing their power and turning away from the "true" form of communism.

Now for Capitalism, it's quite the opposite.

On paper it sounds kinda unfair to some and can also be pretty easy to abuse.

However you can't deny the idea of being able to make more than a given amount isn't appealing to most people.

Besides as Doctor said, the U.S. has long implemented safeguards to prevent most forms of corruption within the capitalist society which sorta give a socialist vibe.

Admiral 12-30-2015 01:38 AM

dont mind me im just waiting for conquest to post

CM 12-30-2015 02:32 AM

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Posted by Admiral (Post 653151)
dont mind me im just waiting for conquest to post

aren't we all

Skyzer 12-30-2015 02:37 AM

I'm an Athiest and what ever Conquest says is the best is the worst.

hosler 12-30-2015 02:40 AM

socialism seems nice. im willing to pay a lot of taxes for the government to ensure my well being.

Bryan* 12-30-2015 02:48 AM

Never heard of Syndicalism

Ghettoicedtea 12-30-2015 02:57 AM

Pure Capitalism, why is this even a debate?
By pure capitalism i mean like what america was during the 1860-1950 period and not this wumbo jumbo trying to be capitalist and socialist at the same time you started when vietnam came around and we started to lose the war.

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Posted by 5hift (Post 653138)
On paper, Communism can appeal greatly to the lower class.

However the reason why Communism never really worked was because somebody had to first take charge of the country and make sure that the country was secured.

Then what was supposed to happen was the government would eventually fade away leave the people independent.

But that never happened because most communist leaders were too busy making themselves overly powerful and corrupt and eventually the entire system collapsed on itself.

Ultimately, the reason why communism doesn't work 99% of the time is because their leaders usually end up abusing their power and turning away from the "true" form of communism.

Now for Capitalism, it's quite the opposite.

On paper it sounds kinda unfair to some and can also be pretty easy to abuse.

However you can't deny the idea of being able to make more than a given amount isn't appealing to most people.

Besides as Doctor said, the U.S. has long implemented safeguards to prevent most forms of corruption within the capitalist society which sorta give a socialist vibe.

Communism sounds ****ing awful on paper and in general. I would be furious when i just worked a 12 hour shift in a warehouse hauling **** and get the same salary and benifits of a secretary.

5hift 12-30-2015 03:29 AM

I said for lower class people it may sound pretty appealing.

If you had very little or nothing to begin with, getting something that's the same as everyone else would mean the world to you.

But in this case we already know we can gain more or less than others so why even bother.

Brick 12-30-2015 04:43 AM

I like capitalism. Work hard, earn big bucks. Don't work hard, don't earn big bucks.

Red 12-30-2015 04:54 AM

communism

Ghettoicedtea 12-30-2015 05:10 AM

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Posted by OG (Post 653216)
communism

Sucks

Elk 12-30-2015 05:33 AM

rep me if you came here to see if conquest replied

Skyzer 12-30-2015 05:50 AM

But I can't rep you! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Ghettoicedtea 12-30-2015 03:33 PM

Ok whos the socialist ****s who voted for socialism?

Skyzer 12-30-2015 04:04 PM

Antago passed the test!

hosler 12-30-2015 04:09 PM

Jesus was a communist

Skyzer 12-30-2015 04:10 PM

your mom was a communist

hosler 12-30-2015 04:46 PM

Traitor!

Sir 12-30-2015 06:36 PM

**** all of these, galactic empires are the best

Sardon 12-30-2015 11:37 PM

Damn Capitalist pigs
Communism is the way to go

Ghettoicedtea 12-31-2015 01:13 AM

http://imgur.com/pWl0XpG.jpg

Conquest 12-31-2015 02:00 AM

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Posted by Brick (Post 653215)
I like capitalism. Work hard, earn big bucks. Don't work hard, don't earn big bucks.

This isn't capitalism.

5hift 12-31-2015 02:48 AM

Gonna have to agree with Conquest on this one.

By no means does "working hard" always get you more money.

The idea of capitalism is that the business owners decide the amount of which they sell as well as pay their employees.

Sure, there are some restrictions like minimum wage that prevent business owners from just straight up screwing over their employees but they still have most of the say in how much their employees make and that doesn't always mean they'll be fair.

Conquest 12-31-2015 03:53 AM

Money is a predator's tale—the allegory of the cave; its shadows are puppets of violence; it is the greatest act of witchcraft known to mankind. It does nothing, it feeds nothing, it clothes nothing—it shelters no one & it never has. Capitalism is its most powerful spell; the wicked get richer, dangling phony pats on the back in the form of numbers by some self-appointed teacher cheering his students with corporate packs of stock stickers & cutesy faces poorly drawn in red ink.

The cruel sell you their fake kindness in the form of enslavement; the flipside is that they will relent from their natural state of abusing, torturing, & dismissing you in any shape or form … Verbally, your reputation, a letter of recommendation, a friendship—an invitation to a cookout you always attended but always felt a facade but couldn't put your finger on it. Ordinary time keepers who report to employees and watch minutes go by call themselves managers; they pay themselves more for being mediocre, and use their inner prowess to construct demeanors always hinting at a jurassic carousel of small talk & emptiness spinning in circles around you looking like liberty, but tasting like death.

Most money is swindled in strip clubs, on prostitutes/celebrities, drugs, and whatever other worthless palace of plaster that will strike your fancy in the kingdom of fools; you can sometimes enter, but never dance or you may fall and poke holes in the faux marble.

Whatever capitalism is—and it is that which you've all been warned about … The love of things. The love of mammon; the root of all evil: Both "capital" & "ism"—the pursuit of stuff. Only love is the true currency, and you've all been duped; stupefied, and seduced by professional actors posing as Forbe's fancy & well-assessed. But we all have experiences, ideas—thoughts and things … I suppose if you wear a business suit, stand on a podium, command enough attention & carry billions of manmade worthless bills that only God knows how you've acquired, which may or may not (and almost never) have anything to do with working hard—and you drive around in fancy cars … I suppose if you build a mansion so big and call the modest ugly, and find a common burlesque dancer like Beyonce with a broadway voice you can streamline into beats—and dangle the hookers on strings of streams of useless bits, using carefully constructed language & common ideas … Somehow—somewhere … You'll rally enough listeners to worship at your doorstep hoping a little bit of your grace will spill off onto them, and they will be noticed.

But it isn't real—and what one man gives you almost always has an agenda. The world is full of reptiles and spiders crawling around; they want you to believe that somebody somewhere did the math and 9-5 is a formula that came down from some scientific shrine of God—full proof and making some bit of sense. They want you to think that building someone else's dreams cares about your own, and that time wasted is time gained; if you manage to make some money, consider yourself a lucky one. There is no guarantee, and what you think you see—is but a dream.

Skyzer 12-31-2015 04:01 AM

****in' hell--that's long.

TWIZ 12-31-2015 04:43 AM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653702)
Money is a predator's tale—the allegory of the cave; its shadows are puppets of violence; it is the greatest act of witchcraft known to mankind. It does nothing, it feeds nothing, it clothes nothing—it shelters no one & it never has. Capitalism is its most powerful spell; the wicked get richer, dangling phony pats on the back in the form of numbers by some self-appointed teacher cheering his students with corporate packs of stock stickers & cutesy faces poorly drawn in red ink.

The cruel sell you their fake kindness in the form of enslavement; the flipside is that they will relent from their natural state of abusing, torturing, & dismissing you in any shape or form … Verbally, your reputation, a letter of recommendation, a friendship—an invitation to a cookout you always attended but always felt a facade but couldn't put your finger on it. Ordinary time keepers who report to employees and watch minutes go by call themselves managers; they pay themselves more for being mediocre, and use their inner prowess to construct demeanors always hinting at a jurassic carousel of small talk & emptiness spinning in circles around you looking like liberty, but tasting like death.

Most money is swindled in strip clubs, on prostitutes/celebrities, drugs, and whatever other worthless palace of plaster that will strike your fancy in the kingdom of fools; you can sometimes enter, but never dance or you may fall and poke holes in the faux marble.

Whatever capitalism is—and it is that which you've all been warned about … The love of things. The love of mammon; the root of all evil: Both "capital" & "ism"—the pursuit of stuff. Only love is the true currency, and you've all been duped; stupefied, and seduced by professional actors posing as Forbe's fancy & well-assessed. But we all have experiences, ideas—thoughts and things … I suppose if you wear a business suit, stand on a podium, command enough attention & carry billions of manmade worthless bills that only God knows how you've acquired, which may or may not (and almost never) have anything to do with working hard—and you drive around in fancy cars … I suppose if you build a mansion so big and call the modest ugly, and find a common burlesque dancer like Beyonce with a broadway voice you can streamline into beats—and dangle the hookers on strings of streams of useless bits, using carefully constructed language & common ideas … Somehow—somewhere … You'll rally enough listeners to worship at your doorstep hoping a little bit of your grace will spill off onto them, and they will be noticed.

But it isn't real—and what one man gives you almost always has an agenda. The world is full of reptiles and spiders crawling around; they want you to believe that somebody somewhere did the math and 9-5 is a formula that came down from some scientific shrine of God—full proof and making some bit of sense. They want you to think that building someone else's dreams cares about your own, and that time wasted is time gained; if you manage to make some money, consider yourself a lucky one. There is no guarantee, and what you think you see—is but a dream.

But isn't it the man himself who chooses what he will do with the money? Therefore, it is their choices that are evil, and not the money. I don't think getting rich has anything to do with working hard, but it has everything to do with being smart. I then conclude that money is simply a trap. Those who approach the trap be cautious in the event that stupidity can clash with intelligence. I suppose the creation of the trap can be an evil choice, so your definition does make sense to me.

Brick 12-31-2015 05:51 AM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653658)
This isn't capitalism.

I realize that. It's not what I was implying.

Conquest 12-31-2015 03:51 PM

You cannot translate a man's soul—the goodness he commits by choice with his creative efforts & spirit, his labor—into a tangible paper representation which can be passed around to others. It isn't real; this money can be trivialized, the wages vary based on agreement or favor, inherited by family, given away, stolen, lost, finagled, seized, and burned. Money was created to steal effort, and enslave those who were capable by those who were not; the entire system is run by dark forces: Men who live behind masks & facades, and not by truth. They are professional liars, and the realm of stereotypical "beauty" and "professionalism" is itself a facade that they have invented to keep the hamsters running wheels of vanity to distract from the reality that the predator is running the show. They're changing language & images so quickly, policies, and prices—laws, politics—on a dangling lure, empty & hooked; you think you're catching up but you never will. What you see as glamour & success is the art of prostitution born from the archetypes of *****s & thieves in the human species; they were born to seduce and fool you, it is their career—and you'll try to keep up even if you never get a taste of the flesh … But you want it. Only almost wholly similar soulless sluts can keep up, and this is the answer to the riddle; it's just a repetitious game of emptiness. They're empty inside, but they look like a garden.

So it is with the management & lawmakers; they compete to appear "the greatest voice of reason" and "business-minded professional awesome big tough cool dude who did stuff and people like because he's a sweet talker". Mainly they just exploit the facade of money to pay others to sell their labors and get the hell out while they take the riches, credit, and spoils; they build empires off of nothing. No creativity, no innovation, no sense of justice: But they speak it well because at the end of the day they have $$$ to hire desperate makeup crews, hairdressers, editors, hit men ("military", assassins), the press, photographers, writers, and you're falling for it.

People think that you become rich & famous because you're talented and glorious, and it speaks for itself. Wrong! You become rich & famous because you belong to specific networks of greedy, unethical thieves who run the show; they run the networks, most mainstream media—and they want to pass laws to own all the airwaves which they've done a good job at doing already. They pick prostitutes ("sexy" dance stars who can be used as puppets) to keep the charade going; the public is unaware. But go back to ancient Rome and the origins of the theater, and you'll find that all actors, gladiators (wrestlers, badasses, tough guys), models, & dancers were prostitutes; this is still true today. 99%. They're empty vessels of outer distraction & amusement; it is their archetype as a drone in the species. They are hand-picked, they sign their souls away in contracts, are born into it, and buddy buddy with the whole charade because no man makes it anywhere in the media without a network connection & a contract. Everything is highly edited, censored, planned, and scripted. It's all a theatrical show

… What is money, and where did it begin? I imagine the origins had mostly to do with exchanging resources and exploiting gifted individuals, such as autistic men like Christ & DaVinci, myself—with disabilities. They get us to perform amazing tasks, then take it away from us, take the credit; some of the disabled, gifted men of brilliance, children, those who were weaker—may have been veeeeery handicap and they said. "See this piece of paper? This represents everything you've just done! I'll give you it if you do this for me." Then when they did it, said, "Nope! You had a bad attitude. I'm keeping this piece of paper as your punishment! I'll give you it back if you do something else for me." Then the facade continued. Eventually the exchange of services for illusory "sparkly things" like jewels & gold which are the dumbest ****ing things ever—caught on and other people were like. "Heeey! I want to play this game. All I have to do is dangle a piece of gold and someone will do something for me?" And so forth. Thus, flip on the television and look around; it is nothing but thieves, drugs (pharmaceuticals, refined foods, perfumes, fashions, make-up, sex allure, alcohol) and prostitutes (they call them "beautiful" "celebrities" & "models"): Those skilled at the art of deception, including enacting emotions.

Additionally, they probably just hoarded a bunch of pieces of gold and made the kids jealous of each other. The liars would toy with their emotions and give narcissistic smiles & favors to those "with more gold" to put them into competition with one another; then, they could control their children & evil adults with narcissistic envy & jealousy. "If you did this—you'd be loved just as much and have just as MUCH shiny things. Correct?" — "… Yea … I guess so. I'll do whatever you want. Just give me more gold. I don't want to be like those losers over there who barely have any."

CM 12-31-2015 06:25 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653897)
… What is money, and where did it begin? I imagine the origins had mostly to do with exchanging resources and exploiting gifted individuals, such as autistic men like Christ & DaVinci, myself—with disabilities.

Hate to burst your bubble, but forms of money/currency were being used wayyy before they even knew what mental conditions were. In fact, most currency was used to organize trade with other smaller communities/city-states.

In fact, the earliest forms of currency probably wasn't even paper or coins, but rather other valuable products such as manure, cattle, and agriculture (and eventually land, children, businesses, etc.) and people said "Hey, I have lots of manure, but nothing to use it on. Why don't I see what that guy has?"

Whenever you pay for something, you're essentially trading. Buy a bag of chips and pay a dollar. That's a trade. That's how money essentially started - people would give up their valuable things to get other valuable things that they wanted/needed.

It wasn't until people found more value in metals that coins came to existence. Coins were small, easily transportable, and easily divisible. It was easier to give three silver coins to a man instead of three pigs to him.

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653897)
"See this piece of paper? This represents everything you've just done! I'll give you it if you do this for me." Then when they did it, said, "Nope! You had a bad attitude. I'm keeping this piece of paper as your punishment! I'll give you it back if you do something else for me.

Who is to blame here - the money or the taunter? If you say money, then think of a different example. If the man was taunting disabled people with a piece of bread, saying "Do this for me and I'll give you this bread!" then who is to blame here? The piece of bread?

Conquest 12-31-2015 06:40 PM

I should add, it's not even necessarily men who are incapable—but often lazy men; people think that capitalism is actually run by hard working men of success, but in fact it is entirely the opposite. Those who print money (which isn't even backed by gold anymore) and loan is out do so very selectively, of course. Nothing is fail proof, and there are not advanced systems in place to monitor this either; it is run by a group of people with agendas and they forgive & spike interest at will. But the money doesn't represent anything; it is literally a fabricated representation of reward, meaning that those who give it out and forgive debts have enslaved the entire world—and they are lazy, you can believe that. They are unethical. They don't have to work for money, not really; they have glorified every unethical behavior as "success" so long as you have money; in other words, the whole system is corrupt because true ethics come from hard working good, and talented, modest, honest people: Not people who sit at the heart of a fabricated representation of human labor printing off cheap ink in the form of stamps onto laughably cheap sheets of cloth.

Flattery is presented as "professionalism & good behavior"; seduction is pretended as "beauty & good marketing", exploitation is called "opportunity", greed is called "success", self-servingness is called "shrewd business" so long as you ACT otherwise, blatant lies are called "possibilities & political correctness", enslavement to cheap wages & long grueling hours for someone else is called "humble duty & subservience to your superiorities", 50 years of enslavement is called "an investment into your old age & a good man", blatant theft & fines are referred to as blunders & mistakes if you can buy your way out, racial supremacy is called a "traditional difference" if you belong to certain lineages or belief systems, protesting is called "ungraciousness & terrorism" if it doesn't suit the thieves' agendas, blatant rape is called frisky flirtation or earnest dating if you can use someone for resources long enough and demonize them later as "deserving to be punished with abandonment" (as if said predator was ever monogamous in the first place). The list goes on and on.

Literally, what you think is capitalism is the entire reversal of ethics—and working very hard to make a lot of money almost never happens. 99% of money is given in barely livable wages to the good people, and kept by the bad; then it is squandered away on flirty charming wicked individuals who play the victim all the time and use drugs, or given to churches by men who are milking ancient divinity, given to charities of individuals who exploit the suffering and claim they are "investing in research", given to lawyers who will take any case good or bad, celebrities, athletes, worthless consumables & vanity items, short-lived fashions, perfumes, etc. You're living in hell, and most of you don't even know it because you've been conditioned to believe that Shakira & Taylor Swift—and all your politicians—are "good men & women" so long as they claim it most of the time and have a fabricated entourage mimicking these claims to add a little extra "oomph" to the delusions. As long as they dress fancy and give big giant cheesy grins … Well, then they are obviously good people. Duh.

Which economic system is correct? I can tell you it isn't capitalism.

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Posted by CM CM (Post 653947)
Hate to burst your bubble, but forms of money/currency were being used wayyy before they even knew what mental conditions were. In fact, most currency was used to organize trade with other smaller communities/city-states.

In fact, the earliest forms of currency probably wasn't even paper or coins, but rather other valuable products such as manure, cattle, and agriculture (and eventually land, children, businesses, etc.) and people said "Hey, I have lots of manure, but nothing to use it on. Why don't I see what that guy has?"

I'm not even responding to your post, because the quote you just responded to from me specifically says in there that most currency was either "exchanging resources" or exploitation. Where are you missing this point? You read the rest of my paragraph where I elaborated on the origins of exploitation—and I even clarified that exploitation was probably originally in the form of shiny things, not paper.

Oh, right, but you're bursting my bubble by copying every single point I made.

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Posted by CM CM (Post 653947)
Who is to blame here - the money or the taunter? If you say money, then think of a different example. If the man was taunting disabled people with a piece of bread, saying "Do this for me and I'll give you this bread!" then who is to blame here? The piece of bread?

Money is an inanimate object; I'm unsure where your ability to comprehend abstract thought is coming in. Yes, I was advocating we all put money in a big pile somewhere and scream obscenities at it. Of course it's the individuals; it's the agendas and money itself as a faux representation of energy. It is a flawed concept by its very nature and forging abuse & exploitation

GOAT 12-31-2015 07:46 PM

Graalism is the best. Suckers slave away for the benefit of one.
#AllHailUnixmadTheOwnerOfSuckers


Weird how Antago's responses are the best on this thread.
Damn you must spread

TWIZ 12-31-2015 08:00 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653897)
People think that you become rich & famous because you're talented and glorious, and it speaks for itself. Wrong! You become rich & famous because you belong to specific networks of greedy, unethical thieves who run the show; they run the networks, most mainstream media—and they want to pass laws to own all the airwaves which they've done a good job at doing already.

I disagree, because that is not always the case. An excellent contradictory example is Steve Jobs. All he cared about was his company, not his money. He wouldn't have even given a rat's ass about his money. In fact, he even sold his 1.5 million shares to save Apple Computers in 1997, after he lost all faith in the company, and they practically begged him to come back. He had ambition, which lives on in the company to this day, but not in those who now run it.

It's rare, but it does happen.

CM 12-31-2015 08:04 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653953)
I'm not even responding to your post, because the quote you just responded to from me specifically says in there that most currency was either "exchanging resources" or exploitation. Where are you missing this point? You read the rest of my paragraph where I elaborated on the origins of exploitation—and I even clarified that exploitation was probably originally in the form of shiny things, not paper.

Oh, right, but you're bursting my bubble by copying every single point I made.

If that was your point then make it clearer next time please. You clearly said "where did money begin?" If your point was to explain when people began to exploit money to use it to taunt other people, you should have been clearer about that.


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Posted by Conquest (Post 653953)
Money is an inanimate object; I'm unsure where your ability to comprehend abstract thought is coming in. Yes, I was advocating we all put money in a big pile somewhere and scream obscenities at it. Of course it's the individuals; it's the agendas and money itself as a faux representation of energy. It is a flawed concept by its very nature and forging abuse & exploitation

I'm not saying money is the best thing man has created, but it probably is one of the smartest (again, not saying money is a great thing with no flaws). Without money, what would determine order in society? What would decide who would be the first to receive a heart donor from a line of hundreds of people who need a new heart? Money is a flawed concept but it is also a smart one. As they say, money makes the world go round.

Conquest 12-31-2015 08:10 PM

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Posted by TWIZ (Post 653986)
I disagree, because that is not always the case. An excellent contradictory example is Steve Jobs. All he cared about was his company, not his money. He wouldn't have even given a rat's ass about his money. In fact, he even sold his 1.5 million shares to save Apple Computers in 1997, after he lost all faith in the company, and they practically begged him to come back. He had ambition, which lives on in the company to this day, but not in those who now run it.

There are exceptions to the rule; but alas it feeds into the frenzy. I would also say that Steve Jobs was very questionable and has been accused of theft dozens of times; take a look at Edison who robbed Tesla. The theory of relativity? It was created 30 years before some man (hint hint) in the patent office came up with it. Conveniently, he was Jewish and all the Jewish magazines called him a physics superhero and made him out to be the greatest thing since Krishna butt-f*cked Christ riding a unicorn across a sea of milk & honey. Whatever it is, there are endless presentable "heroes" for us all to "aspire to"; Capitalism is all about selling you some bull**** you don't need, including itself.

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Posted by CM CM (Post 653988)
I'm not saying money is the best thing man has created, but it probably is one of the smartest (again, not saying money is a great thing with no flaws). Without money, what would determine order in society? What would decide who would be the first to receive a heart donor from a line of hundreds of people who need a new heart? Money is a flawed concept but it is also a smart one. As they say, money makes the world go round.

This is disgusting—and what I can tell you is that a brotherhood of love & equality already exists inside of you, including intuition and miracles. Over 90% of the health problems in the world are specifically caused by affluenza, its detriments due to competitive stress, forced labor (instead of creating from joy & inspiration), cognitive dissonance and mental illness, suicide, depression, rivalry & accidents, crime induction from all the problems, madness, drugs (to which the ecstasy of Godly love is the only cure), pollution, toxins, war, etc. But, yes, you're right … Where would we be if some joe-shmo who for some reason happens to have millions of dollars (who knows how he got it) wasn't able to trump everyone else's self-worth by wielding an artificial lump of worthless crap.

TWIZ 12-31-2015 10:13 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653989)
There are exceptions to the rule; but alas it feeds into the frenzy. I would also say that Steve Jobs was very questionable and has been accused of theft dozens of times; take a look at Edison who robbed Tesla. The theory of relativity? It was created 30 years before some man (hint hint) in the patent office came up with it. Conveniently, he was Jewish and all the Jewish magazines called him a physics superhero and made him out to be the greatest thing since Krishna butt-f*cked Christ riding a unicorn across a sea of milk & honey. Whatever it is, there are endless presentable "heroes" for us all to "aspire to"; Capitalism is all about selling you some bull**** you don't need, including itself.

Oh, there was no doubt Edison fits in your description of one who dwells in their own wealth and fame. Edison's most famous "invention", the light bulb, was stolen from Tesla, as well as countless others stolen by Edison and even his own financial backers, which proves the very gullible nature of the majority of people.

Aha, I also just remembered another contradictory example. Dean Kamen, inventor of the Segway, and founder of DEKA Research, also invented the Slingshot, a revolutionary water purification machine by evaporative distillation. I encourage anyone reading this to research this machine and its intentions.

Skyzer 12-31-2015 11:25 PM

This is what I come here for.

CM 12-31-2015 11:55 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 653989)
This is disgusting—and what I can tell you is that a brotherhood of love & equality already exists inside of you, including intuition and miracles. Over 90% of the health problems in the world are specifically caused by affluenza, its detriments due to competitive stress, forced labor (instead of creating from joy & inspiration), cognitive dissonance and mental illness, suicide, depression, rivalry & accidents, crime induction from all the problems, madness, drugs (to which the ecstasy of Godly love is the only cure), pollution, toxins, war, etc. But, yes, you're right … Where would we be if some joe-shmo who for some reason happens to have millions of dollars (who knows how he got it) wasn't able to trump everyone else's self-worth by wielding an artificial lump of worthless crap.

Take away all of the money from the world for one week and let me know how that goes.

Here's a scenario for you. Five people come to you and they all need a new heart or they'll die, but you only have one. They are all the same age and are all male. How do you determine who gets the heart? Just let them all die?

Liz 01-01-2016 12:09 AM

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Posted by CM CM (Post 654077)
Five people come to you and they all need a new heart or they'll die, but you only have one. They are all the same age and are all male. How do you determine who gets the heart? Just let them all die?

keep the heart for yourself

TD* 01-01-2016 12:34 AM

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Posted by CM CM (Post 654077)
Here's a scenario for you. Five people come to you and they all need a new heart or they'll die, but you only have one. They are all the same age and are all male. How do you determine who gets the heart? Just let them all die?

You will start by giving them the choice to sacrifice their own life for another.

If more than one patient remains, you start factoring in their worth. By that I do NOT mean the monetary worth of their combined assets. Assess their contribution to the world. Ask will this person be able to save other human lives if he/she is to receive the heart? Who will they leave behind? Do they have other life threatening condition asides from the obvious heart problem? How much of a burden will fall on their family if they are to pass away?

Our worth as a living being is not defined by how much we make. Giving the heart to the richest will not be the least damaging in every case.

Sardon 01-01-2016 07:29 AM

I like how antago/conquest actualy writes long stuff on graalians.
While every other poster tries their best to write "witty" comebacks to receive rep.

CM 01-01-2016 08:46 AM

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Posted by TD* (Post 654106)
You will start by giving them the choice to sacrifice their own life for another.

If more than one patient remains, you start factoring in their worth.

Gonna stop you right there, because that is exactly my point. In the real world you would give it to whomever could pay more for it. In a world without money you would deem how valuable a person is. There will always be some type of currency or value, even if it doesn't come in a physical form. Money is just a different way of determining how everything works.

Also, in regards to your other posts, let's assume these men have no family, and all think the same. None of them are willing to give themselves up. None of them make any contribution to society and are not willing to. Basically, they're all bland and the same. What do you do then?

Conquest 01-01-2016 12:28 PM

Realistically some system of credit is necessary in dealing with human energy. Anyone who doubts the existence of God but believes in money is a hypocrite; money is specifically one of the highest proofs of the power of belief in the human spirit to work wonders. It inspires and uplifts people.

However, again, what you have to understand is that someone somewhere is generating this credibility; it is not just a stereotype to call these people Jewish. They are; some Jews run the economy. Look at Alan Greenspan. Because people are relying on certain Zionist Jews for credibility, who are buying up the media—and already did over a hundred years ago including Hollywood—most people are oblivious to what is happening. In other words, your entire system of credit is being given in "gold stars" and "thumbs up" by a particular set of human beings exercising a particular bias belief system.

In the same way that you wouldn't expect a Christian to go funding atheists, you can best believe that the Zionist Jewish economics have been meticulously designed to create Jewish superheroes throughout "history" by fabricated glory & press, push its beliefs onto the populace, create stigmas against being criticized, present themselves as an oppressed & unduly persecuted people (despite the fact that the Old Testament is paradoxically riddled with specifically Jews committing genocides in comparison to this claim), glorify the Jews, argue Old Testament values, aaaand eventually—demonizing Islam and asking you to go fight in Israel's war while calling it something else.

Congratulations; every time you waste a single dollar you own or work your life away without understanding the spiritual warfare behind believing in an ethereal man-made credit system, you are giving power to no other than this "Jehova" elite; it's the trickle down effect. Now, the real Jehova is holy and goes by many names around the world; but there are varying Zionist economic groups who are comprised of men whose egos are so inflated by all the power that they use it to confuse & manipulate the masses, fund each other's interests, while playing God by making others dance to a dollar bill. They believe they are the chosen ones, and that God has given them mankind as their slaves; such is the power of the dollar, a manmade credit system run by individuals with families, friends, & spiritual beliefs.

A good economic system will avoid allowing the generation of money to be put into the hands of a small people; as such, you will always end up with nepotism & spiritual bias—as well as mass confusion and war when the God complex inevitably hypnotizes & blinds them with the drunkenness and delusion of power as it pertains to the beliefs systems they are born into and their parents raise them with. The absolute lack of inheritance laws as well as the recruitment of individuals into printing money will always forge a brotherhood of individuals believing in supremacy and passing it off as something different, and making you too afraid to question or see its existence; additionally, this amount of power will always result in wars both from the immorality within the system itself due to the individuals' lack of poverty, but also fighting interests.

Fighting interests will generally always be, again, groups of people forcing you to believe what they believe in; they create cults, people join them or are raised and indoctrinated into it as "religion" or "ethnicity", and they band together to overthrow and hoard power. Many Christians have been trying to do it, Muslims, Buddhists, KKK. It's a basic concept. Divide, conquer, band together, and control; of course an ethnically elitist group of people run your economy. That's the only kind of people who COULD due to the way it works at present.

Human beings are full of decisions every day; most people would tell you that they value family more than anything and leave their inheritance to their children (which is egotistical, bias, and ethnically supremacist). Thus, you exist in a racial supremacist society.

What many call "sympathy for an oppressed people", I call lazy and uneducated. The only true religion is Humanity; all else is subject to criticism, evil, deception, and destruction. Judaism isn't at all oppressed, and comes in many forms; I'm seriously not sure where people are getting their information, but the get-out-of-jail-free card for any Jews is an agenda, and most of their cult is racially bias and ethnically committing genocide on the Muslims. What we need is to get rid of is all cults and have only ONE HUMANITY.

But alas as long as there are no laws prohibiting inheritance, there will be no equality, no truth, and no democracy. An ethnically bias cult will run your lives but keep the truth of their evil away from your immediate consciousness. Democracy is a fluidly revolving cast of players, and they rely on media notoriety & money to market themselves. Thus, whoever runs your economy & the media—and, again, due to inheritance laws they are one and the same (your Zionist Jews)—will eventually run all of your laws and rig your democracy by brainwashing you into being so superficial that you'll vote for their prostitute players, not question it, and spend a great deal of time fighting for it. This prevents revolt, and keeps the people believing that their lives are actually aligned with true divine justice. The vanity of the system glorifies itself, brainwashes the people into believing "they are a superiorly free nation" and their government is flawless; to continue the illusion, the media & government scapegoats other countries publicly & recruits the populace to obsess with this arrogance, as well as stirring up mayhem & mischief to generate false evidence, and push for world domination. This doesn't mean that there are no places worse off than us; I'm simply saying that this system is itself a prison of the mind & a terrorist regime.

Additionally, with the media power provided by having no inheritance laws in capitalism, you will be brainwashed into believing that "conspiracy theorists are crazy nut lune jobs we should beat down, laugh at, and compare to deludanoid schizophrenics". You're playing in a bully's court. The kinds of people you're ****ing with aren't ****ing around; they aren't sitting around coming up with the next creative Mario. No, the kinds of people this system favors are a racially supremacist group of immoral jackals who are looking for the "Holy Land" and exploiting inheritance laws to get there; they are obsessed with finagling real world resources for fun, your thoughts & beliefs, etc. because not enough people are questioning or overthrowing them. It is the nature of the mechanics of the universe; the economic system you are in is creating it.

Did you know that North America is actually half as tall as it is portrayed on most maps? Seriously, go look up the height of the United States compared to Africa in miles. The maps are intentionally, as another agenda, distorted to keep you enslaved to arrogance & patriotism. You are truly living in a tyrannical state; no ruler should be paid for his service, and there should be no inheritance laws.

But so long as you continue believing in inheritance laws, and biting the dangling worm of greed (the promise of working hard and making "a ton" of money)—you will be a slave; this is has been going on for so long that it's almost impossible to live modestly—and everyone is a 9-5 slave or a part-time indentured servant (wage slave) & consumer. What most call success in this country is actually indulgence & greed; the pigs are so hideous looking from their lack of self-control that they require prostitute "actors" & "models" to re-enact their agendas; this is why you have body-dysmorphia, because appearances are being used to cover up the real truth and only sluts who like to dangle their legs on the street corner possess the archetype to perpetuate the veil that covers fat greedy racist degenerate assholes. The body dysmorphia is really just their career; they leave you feeling so ugly inside and hating yourself for sales & perpetuations of corrupt systems, as well as breaking each other's hearts & whoring yourself out that we've become nothing but a storehouse of consumers, wh0res, and military men.

Again, as I said before: What did the origins of the theater tell us? Gladiators (military men are recruited these days like gladiators, promised glory & money), actors, dancers, and models are prostitutes; they are empty vessels of godless people who can be used as toys/puppets. That is what a prostitute is; it is a vessel of darkness that sells itself for power rather than upholding its own sanctity & life for consensual, peaceful & productive purpose. Yet, you are coerced into "hoooonoring" these people. This is another agenda.

Planned obsolescence is part of the agenda (products made to be useless **** in 2, 5, 10 years); it keeps the consumerist, greedy, slutty, racist society oiled. We have all the technology & brilliance to invent water powered engines, go solar powered, have wireless electricity, lightbulbs that never burn out, simple clothing like robes made to last, etc. But, instead, planned obsolescence, marketing, stupid fashion, and obsession with vanity items & consumerism (drugs, potent refined foods that mess with your chemicals and keep you addicted) feed into the frenzy of enslavement. Instead of realizing what's happening, people assume this is the way things should be … But it's a prostitutes haven; people obsessed with trying on new clothes, belts, hats, patterns, textures, perfumes, showing themselves off, "looking hot", being flirty, charming (calling it professionalism), idle talk ("small talk", calling it good social skills), and screwing around (calling it monogamy & dating), fighting. You are being programmed to be distracted slaves & toys for war

Admiral 01-01-2016 04:09 PM

but all I wanna do is play graal :( what should I be doing

Conquest 01-01-2016 04:51 PM

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Posted by Admiral (Post 654339)
but all I wanna do is play graal :( what should I be doing

Play Graal when you feel it; but know the truth. No more cults (anyone who claims that by allegiance to a group or lineage you "are a chosen one") … And this doesn't mean going secular, either. No more inheritance laws, and no more giving money to your kids. All resources should be monitored by appointed experts while children have a say so on their particular needs for evaluation, etc.; do away with affluenza, do away with vanity, do away with planned obsolescence, and do away with economic transference to dependents. If you want to do something, believe in this for a start. I'd also think that there needs to be a lot more limitations on television, radio, etc. It's pretty much a monopoly right now and it's loaded with evil. I'd also say get rid of celebrityhood, porn (prostitution but it's "on camera" so it's completely different right?), and awards. No one should be awarded, honored, etc.; glory belongs to God.

The private ownership of capital and also the privatization of specialized services needs to be removed; a lot of our taxes are being wasted paying road development companies or other services of the city. Realistically people don't work for desperation of resources; this is a myth. People don't have to work, or they can finagle resources in an endless array of possibilities. People don't do things for money, and most work is just busy work. Things like road construction and such could be done by volunteers. Most construction & services are again created with planned obsolescence to keep the bull**** carousel of slavery going round and round, distraction, consumerism, vanity, sex, and war; thus, the world feels like a cheaply mass-produced picket fence & pad of notebook paper.

Artistry, meaning, purpose, and authenticity have been conned & commercialized; society has been designed to keep people busy, vane, heartbroken, lusty, afraid, and absent-minded: It is a trick.

Truthfully if you want something done, it is a lot easier to get it done right the first time and done beautifully—and to find volunteers for it (because contrary to popular opinion, people actually enjoy creating—you know … Doing stuff, especially when they aren't forced to spend all their time going to 9-5s or other part-time jobs)—than if you are forcing people to slave away with chump change building roadways, cars, clothes, utilities, items, and other things designed to deteriorate. It's because a bunch of assholes are pulling strings who shouldn't be.

They create "dreams" and "keeping up with the Joneses" to keep you distracted and running on hamster wheels; they sell you fake glory, and promise you opportunity, riches, and beauty if you do this or say that or believe this, or beat this person. It isn't real. And the media is a huge ****ing agenda; it could be on there encouraging people to be more Christ-like and to donate efforts IF THEY WANT TO to get things done. Television should be more localized; instead it's a political monopoly and used to sedate you into, again, enslavement, distraction, yearning, feeling like ****, & war. They want you to believe that money is in deficit and that everyone needs paid paid paid. It's the false Luciferian god. It isn't true.

Look at the allegory of Lucifer; he was who? The first "angel" and he thought he was so beautiful he rebelled (he stopped evolving) for control (power). Who runs the economy? The Zionist Judaic worshipers; what is Judaism? Read its writings; it claims itself "the first instance of God". Angels are gods; it is another term. The first "god" thought himself so beautiful that thousands of years later he crucified the messiah to retain power, continues worshiping as "God" ("Jehova"), and runs the entire ****ing economy especially in love with capitalism (the love of things/root of all evil). Angels are groups of people in the terrestrial realm; we are the cells in their blood. So, the earthbound fallen angel who runs the world is a group of Zionist Jews who, believing their god (themselves) too beautiful to be holy, all encompassing, and accepting of their own messiah—instead killed Him to retain power and now they are creating fake glory in the media to remove all Christlike qualities which would eradicate their supremacy & control. Such is the Luciferian riddle; the money is a sham, and so is their ethnic elitist bull****. They lose, and Christ's true Spirit has been oppressed because it creates a Holy world—not one run by racists.

If we would balance things out, cut costs, change the economy, institute certain limitations & uproot a lot of the evil in the economic system, etc. you could create a utopia of people who donate efforts simply because it's fun to and they want to say, "Hey! I did that!"

Instead people dread their accomplishments because they have to wake up every ****ing day and go build more and more and more and more for some dude who barely cares about them just to feel "worthy" as a human being. It's the same principal with Graal; the second money got involved, the power was seized and the game stopped evolving. It hasn't changed much at all in 15 years, because money & power are run by greedy pigs who want to keep people busy—not who know how to revolutionize or manage something. They're gluttons


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