Mining and woodcutting nerf
 

Mining and woodcutting had been nerfed. U only get 1 rock or wood not 3 and 2 is 7/10. Thats so bad. Make it as older.

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Wtf

You serious?!

Wow seriously? Now what makes sense buying axes or pickaxes where the profit just about equal the price you pay for the axe? Removing bugs and now a nerf on woodcutting and mining. Nice..

:(.

:/ please buff woodcutting tho or nerd mining. Mining op. And fix fire making job

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Rekt

Still easy money

America runs on dunkin


Graal runs on money

Yeah, it's not like you guys are losing tons of money off of this.

If anything the old system was just making things too easy, you'll still earn a lot of money getting skills to 99/100 (whatever they cap at)

100 but in wood cutting I believe the lvling system is kinda poop but still is easy if you use pc.

Mining has more rocks to earn cash from and quicker to lvl up since their rocks give higher exp.

It's been changed to 1-2 drops with a 10% RNG chance for 2. I had a simulation that I ran multiple times for some numbers a while before this change occured and the amount of times 2 or 3 rocks would show up was just as often, if not more often, than a singular rock would show up. Trees and Rocks had the same drop rates, and were given the same rates in this change as well.

TL;DR Even with the rate change it's still very easy to make money with both of the jobs in question.

The change was still highly unnecessary.

K but pease buff woodcutting ;)

i would say to make the higher lvl pick you use the better the chance by 10%

It is actually a very necessary change. Even with the change people can still make way too much money too easily.

How is nerfing jobs a necessary change? Never knew making money was a bad thing. You guys remove bugs and change the rate and deem it as necessary. Lol ok.

Is it really this hard to understand? Easy money in game means no incentive to buy gralat packs = makes no money = server is removed.

wow somebody who understand how things work. its not just about gralat packs tho its about how easy it is for anybody to buy whatever they want without putting in much work to get it. whats the fun in a game where you don't have to work hard to get stuff? there is no sense of accomplishment there.

Bugs are not removed. just less common. bug hunting was never meant to be a main source of income. its meant to be more like trash picking in era. you see a bug you catch it. yes the changes are more necessary than you think.

I understand that. But you need to balance the line of making sure you get profit at a decent rate so it's not too easy yet not to the point where the server feels P2W. Era nerfed their jobs multiple times and you see mostly everyone calling that server P2W. Not too long before West ends up like that.

Well, i hope they release new guns.. I'm done seeing no guns, i want stronger guns. You guys can't expect people to not have loads of cash, if you guys don't release anything to spend it on. Release better guns, who cares about the price.

It seems like all the staff does is buff fishing and nerf mining and woodcutting if any job needs buffed it's woodcutting or there needs to be another tree between spiky and fossil. fire making needs redone its pointless when you can eat food every 5 seconds mining I agree it did need nerfed a little bit. There needs to be a type of chest or something for woodcutting and mining also like how's there's sea chest for fishing

(I obviously see the staff team hasnt checked oasis in a long time cause if they had they would see its abandoned. )

Well slick is the only guns admin atm, so it's going to take awhile

It actually mostly depends on the graphics team and gani team, gun admins just take care of the stats and such and then they'd have to wait for witch to approve release

Oh.

****.

It was only a matter of time before this happened. The prices of sellables might drop soon

Might as well quit.

The reason many players left Classic and Era, and such other servers was due to almost being forced to buy gralat packs for literally every new content that was being released.
I do not wish this to happen to Ol'West.
I understand why it is somewhat necessary for you to do it, as it allows the server to remain running, as it gains a profit.
But. Becoming like Classic and Era would most likely result in a great deal of player-loss, Ol'West is like an escape from such servers, and to become similar would not be a great idea.
I think nerfing mining and woodcutting was a reasonable things to do, but do not nerf anything further, unless you can explain a legitemate reason for doing so.
Also im not very familiar with the fishing job, but im very assured that it allows you to gain quite a lot of gralats, especially the added bonus of beeing able to get chests, and selling the rare melees for even more gralats, so I would suggest that if you nerf two jobs, you nerf them all, and make sure they are all equal.
Bug catching is fine, as it is only a side-job, not quite a huge job, as it was nerfed awhile back, same with such things as looting and panning, so my only real concern is fishing, unless I am incorrect, as I said, I am not entirely familiar with the job.

Oh and also, some people will be feeling like this, if you continue:

You won't have to quit once the server is shut down for being nonprofitable.

GG.

Hey we're can you play old west on pc anyway

GG.

Lets just agree that we should start fishing instead of mining/wood cutting since you get more money by fishing.
Mining and wood cutting just gave us like extra 3 or 4 maybe 10 more gralats.

Thats actually the point that I quit all the severs and moved to Ol'West, if this continues to nerf, I'm out of Graal.

I don't want to say this but... Let's add ads. Watch 1 video to get 100 gralats or something.

No.

Yes

So how do you explain that classic and era continue to have the highest player counts of any graal servers right now if they lose so many players to high prices?

heres a legitimate reason for you i posted above.

Really now? When was mining for hours for a decent amount of gralats 'easy'? Took hours to level up and it was grindy. Not easy. I will agree that the bugs were too easy. Yes I thought it was removed but I will say sorry that it just has a low spawn rate. But what is the point? Let's just nerf the grindy jobs and even one of those jobs that has low pay anyway. I see it now. Nerf to jobs and more expensive items. Hello Era 2.0. Really thought West would be unique but now I'm seeing less of that.

An explanation for a great deal of the player count is that most people have already spent a lot on gralat packs, and wouldnt want to leave the server.
Or they are just addicted to the game.
Also they were like the first graal games for ios etc, so they had the greatest player count to begin with, and people may not wish to leave the servers as they have spent so many hours and so much money on the games.

In terms of this:
Your right that you will get a greater sense of accomplishment for getting a certain item, as you have worked so hard to get it. But most people do not really want to waist more of their lives attempting to get new content by mining etc.

Whats the fun in a game where you attempt to waist your time trying to earn in-game currency (when it is made hard to earn), and where everyone else seems to just be buying the in-game currency and not actually doing game jobs for it.

I don't really mind it. I mean, it's not like new content is released every single day and removed the next day - making it hard for us to earn enough sellables to buy the stuff we want. It's not like that.

There's a lengthy amount of time before new content is released. This means that it would give us enough time to do jobs. That does not mean we have to waste our lives mining/fishing/woodcutting etc. A few weeks/months is enough time to allow players to save up their sellables. There's not much to do anyway.

exactlyt! players feel attached to a server because they have had to invest something into the game whether that be time, money, or both! thats how you build a player base! i feel like a lot of ol west people feel like they can easily come and go because, oh i only have to play a couple hours to buy all this new stuff i want no problem. they don't have to commit to the server to get anywhere so they dont end up building relationships in ol west because they dont have to stay very long to get anywhere. then they go back to whatever other server they play on because thats where their friends are.

well maybe level up scaling jobs are not the right kind of jobs for graal then if they feel so "grindy". If the only thing that makes ol west unique and worth playing is easy money then it is going to fail as a server because that shouldn't be the only reason somebody chooses ol west over era or classic.

I just log on buy all the New stuff and log off lol.

My point proven right here! Thank you Bram.

Very good point, thank you for allowing me to understand :)
But I still dont understand why I left Classic when West was released, I had friends I had known for 2 years or so that I was leaving behind, yet I still left, and I do recall that it was easy then to earn gralats on West, yet I still loved it and stayed, and im still here.

But still, your point is very valid, and I actually believe nerfing was probably the best thing for the server, it was just my initial annoyance, as a player that wants every item in the game,(etc) that prevented me from believing you in the first place xD

Yup yup, just wait, as the player count rises, so will the prices, while available earnings remain the same. To say that what's sought for Ol' West is balance is a lie. That's what some will try to have you believe.

Though, just wait, watch. It'll go the way of Classic and Era.

A fatter bank account balance, for the faceless few, maybe? lol

edit: Pray I'm mistaken, 'cause, you know, I've really grown to like Ol' West. Also, I must note that I understand that these games need money to thrive, but, at times, at least where a couple of the servers are concerned, one can't help but feel robbed.

This. Thank you for seeing my point. As I said, I know the server gotta survive with the packs. But with the nerfs, the server is leaning toward the 'damn high prices, i feel i have to buy iap' rather than 'high prices? no worries as I can do some jobs and get gralats at a decent rate'. Tbh, I find Zone the most balanced, job-wise. Tashkin would actually buff the broken parts (trash) when the player count rose. But I can't win so let the staff do what it wants.

Still don't get why yall complaining, this server still has the easiest obtainable money by a long shot

both jobs needed to be nerfed since most of the people who do them use macros