Thats just Stupid
 

is what i said when i found out that they're now charging 20k gralats to upload a body, 10k to upload a head, 1k to upload a sword, and 2.5k to upload a shield. i mean like...wtf? your asking people to pay you money to contribute to the game...thats just dumb. i mean, when someone makes a sword or shield everyone can use it. so they're literally just handing you content which you can upload. but now you want to charge them gralats to do it? i can sort of understand wanting to limit it so you dont have a ton coming in but these prices are ridiculous. at least cut them in half, or better yet make it so only VIP's can upload. then make a small charge like 5k for a body, 2.5k for a head, 1k for a shield, and 500 for a sword. that seems fair. then when a person has contributed a lot of good work in the past, they can earn free VIP, and their future upload are free. this rewards people who add content to the game, but still restricts it so people cant upload 1000 shields without having to pay a lot of gralats. but if someone wants a special head, and a few guild shields it wont take 48 hours of constant farming, or 10 bucks worth of gralat packs. i dont understand why you would discourage sending in content, which helps you, by making it cost gralats.

It's actually 20k for a head and 10k for a body. I don't like the pricing either, but hey it's better than not being able to submit content. You're not really contributing content to the game unless you count people stealing the body and using it as contributing. I don't know why they're called personals since everyone can use them. Especially the shields and swords they just need to know the code. No one seems discouraged since so many people have various amounts of customs. I've been making and sending customs since the classic@graalonline system was intact. The new system is so much faster and doesn't take over a month so I'm happy. To be honest though I think heads should be 15k since they're something more players make than bodies.

We were getting swamped with crappy uploads that we were never able to catch up. The new system works because if a player is willing to pay gralats for them, they are gonna ensure they are worth it. We can upload faster now because we get less and more good ones.

It's actually quite genius.

You say that you didn't know about uploads and it's prices?
Lmfao.

yeah i get that, but why is it so much? my idea is for the person to have to be VIP, and still pay a much smaller amount. then if the person has good uploads they can do it for free since they are essentially only helping the game. i can understand wanting to cut back on the uploads, but the massive price discourages the good people from sending in their hats, shields, swords, etc.

and oddball i quit for a year and just came back. when i played last it was all free.

It's like 7 bucks to upload a head.

ITS RIDICULOUS!!!

You don't have to pay for anything, so you wouldn't understand. And the prices are much higher than they should be. I have a choice of buying 7 fantastic apps or paying for a hat on Graal.

hey you could make it so people that submit good work can get it uploaded for free, or cut the prices.

but that doesnt get Unixmad or Stefan as much money, and nothings forcing them to do it, and that could make gps have to *gasp* do alot of work!

i remember when Lollipop stayed online for like 5 hour uploading and trying to catch up on the emails. she cut it in half.

Mattkan does have a point. For a virtual item the price is pretty ridiculous.

exactly, the huge gralat prices are discouraging people who could be awesome graphic designers from uploading their content. genius my ass nyn youve been in stefans ****ed up system for too long to understand.

I agree, I can understand why heads would cost a fair bit when admins made and sold them, but where the ones that made them and yet we have to pay for our on stuff. Now im not saying make uploads free, but it would be nice if the prices were reduced a little seeing as where the ones actually making the customs.

Its like making a blanket at your friends house and having to pay your mum to let your keep it...

Why doesn't GFX team make bodies or heads anymore ;/

They do... but that turns out into personal usage.

there should be reduced upload prices for people with VIP accounts.

lol and it's funny that it costs more to upload a head than the app itself costs

yeah its so incredibly stupid. it costs 1 dollar, or the 2500 gralat equivalent for the customization pack which gives you 55 and a half pages of heads. want to upload your own? costs 8 customization packs. i agree, we should have VIP only uploading for a very cheap price. then if someones really good at it they should get both VIP for free as well as uploading for free since they're adding good content to the game and helping it.

its not going to change because stefan controls it, seriously without players having leverage nothing is going to change, who knows, maybe some graalian will go to Paris and do us all the favor of beating the crap out of unixmad.

they claim its free, and that you dont have to pay for things, and that its "optional content" but thats all the content it freaking has, so much potential, and its just plain unfair that their greed is ruining all of it,

not to mention what happens when one of them dies? they arent that old, but accidents happen, (unfortunatly not often enough to some people).

it had such a great potential, sure you see games like Zenonia that are far better, but they all lack the community you get from massively multiplayer games, and they dont have the customation either, they dont really let you be the character you want to be, they isolate you, you the only player.

so much potential. crushed by the bad choices of the few in charge.

sadly its not like what we want will change anything, itll either take a drop in profit or a gun to the head to get them to change.

Lolwut.

Stefan and Unixmad are the ones making the prices so high. They dont give a **** about players unless their profit starts to suffer. As long as people buy gralat packs they won't change ****. That's why we need leverage to get things changed. Greedy bastards.

i think that actually started to happen so they added a few quests, and ruined the farming system to hopefully get more people to play, but force them to buy gralats. wouldnt be a bad idea to start a boycott of gralat packs until we get an easier way to get gralats though...

You can always farm.

yes i absolutely love blowing up bushes for 5 hours straight to get one low tier hat. farmings pretty bad now too. you've been out of the game too long. go and farm 2.5k and come back and tell me farming is a fair way of making money.

Sit in one spot and repeatedly throw bombs at a ****ing grass patch for hours to buy a ****ing hat?
Really?
Really?
This is The fate of a game with so much potential?

There is no real fun different way to earn gralats. At least not in a efficient way.
No quests or battles or training or exploring to earn money, just gralat packs and farming for hours.

Its because little kids use their parents account or have their parents credit cards hooked up to the account. It's not their money, they won't run out, so they don't care. They have no ****ing value of money, they don't stop and think "what the hell, this virtual graphic does nothing, and it costs 3 bucks. "

Also you start any boycott or protest, staff ban everyone, threaten, and later release one of those scam "expensive morph only" rooms with cheap things (that you couldn't buy without buying the expensive morph first). You start a boycott on gralat packs, they will squash you like them little right-less bug you are.


Its mainly because of those two things that gralat pack boycotts don't work.

I make loads of money killing bats and baddies.

Well if you're cool enough to get a bunch of people to afk at your place and take turns (2 people farm while the others guild chat) the gralats go up faster. I actually still farm, for the guild. I farmed 20k for maybe about half an hour for Arichi so she could get a Wizard hat a while back. It's much quicker for me to farm than the time I could spend on here complaining.

Come back to me when you get more friends to help you farm ;-)

"a while back"
as in how long ago?
because the rates are much lower than what they once were

Here. Shut up everyone and just argue over this idea: players with VIP can get Uploads for 50% of the price...

Freakin genius!

omgomgomgggggg, just get some trainers from your guild and spam them to help you farm.

TEAM WORK~! TAG TEAM THAT GRASS

While looking at higbeys post, I see soooo many beautiful stars... *.*
Ok I´m the team and you are the work.

Of course you would get a lot of "friends" to farm with you, you're a god damn administrator. Everybody is going to kiss your ass. Try farming by yourself like most people have to, it's hell.

lol! maybe go in graal city and try to make friends, its not hard.

Bevore they messed up the gralat spawn i had always a black farm with only 3-4 afkers and had over 200k gralats now i'm poor because i need now over 6people in my gh to farm faster-.-

^This
and seeing how you literally changed the Gralat spawn rate (Which i said over 100 times yet Twinny tried to convince me out of it and failed), Gralat packs are the only solution to ever earning a good amount of Gralats.

and it doesn't help either that the horses and bombs got tweaked (Yes... just like everyone said.. This still feels like a complaint and has been ignored due to graphic/update-wise improvements... Both of which does not help the engine at all really in gameplay other than graphics.. Still not helping..)

This is why everyone keeps bichin' at iClassic. Most of your updates doesn't affect the game itself but just feels like a showcase of GFX (Surprisingly anyone can sprite within a matter of seconds/minutes).. Doesn't make it feel special but more of a money begging clutterf**k...

The only updates that are worthy are the tiny quests, the play, and the events... Because its something you can do in the game rather than trying to dress up like a character, go afk, stalk a couple of your friends, then log off (No.. this is not me. Go look around Graal city. You'd be shocked theres lots that does this)

Even though i defended iClassic on most of the topics here, i believe theres also other things that iClassic should improve game-wise and thats when i decided to cross the old line for a little

yeah exactly as people said, how long ago was this? yeah farming with a few more people brings the graalat spawn up a little bit. and fine, maybe you can bring the time it takes for 2.5k down to 2.5 hours. its still broken. plus i got some weird bug in my gh where only certain spot of grass yield gralats, while the other dont give anything. seen a few friends with it too. but you know what, challenge accepted. ill gather 5 friends to go to my gh. 2 of us will farm, while the rest guild chat just like you said. we'll see how many i get :).

and when maikeru goes against you you know its time to change since maikerus on your side most of the time.

NYN is always biased about Graal iPhone. 'Oh yeah dis game is great I mean you only have to 30,000 gralats to be a coolio dinosaur!'

I think it's only 20k. Good sale!

never rly made for the public for a long time now. bodies like "body13" (aka cainbody) were never even intended for public use.

Im not against anyone at all. I just crossed my old line a little to say that. It was my honest opinion.

You guys don't HAVE to pload your own stuff y'know.

I hate when people say that. We like uploading our own customs it's one of the few things that keeps the game going. The 50% off for VIP would shut all of us up or even maybe 25%. It's just insane uploading a head costs more than the actual game.

yeah 50% off for VIP, and giving free VIP and uploads to talented people would be nice. and thats honestly not asking for a lot. personally i think it should be 75% but ill take 50%.

Lol, are you serious? Free VIP for talented people, 75% off? Have you ever heard of actually working for something? It makes you feel a lot better if you actually put effort into getting something, rather than it being handed to you.

keep in mind these people are contributing to the game. the staff just dont want spam of crappy uploads, and a small gralat price would still limit that.

and are you serious? the point is you WORK hard on your uploads, and if they're good then your REWARDED with free uploads and VIP. good GAT's deserve a reward. especially if their hats are uploaded.

That all you admins got?

Graal should focus on making money from you folks that complain about insignificant matters. Profits would soar.

I disagree completely with most of what you just said. You shouldn't get special treatment just because people like you artwork. Here's a tip, don't upload personal heads every week. Unless you do that, the prices shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Anyway, this thread isn't accomplishing anything, i'm unsubscribing. :P

if your submitting good work which is helping the game then yes you should. if your hat makes a bunch of kids buy gralat packs for stefan then the least he can do is give you the ability to upload for free. these are the kind of uploads that the admins want. if someone made a piece of artwork in the meusam, a few hats which are sold in shops, and a few popular shields they should definitly get some recognition, and should'nt have to continue to pay to contribute.

and NYN id hardly call it insignificant. stefan made the choice to make this game based around customization of your character, and house. since theres no good way to get these without spending your own money we have a problem. btw 5 people in my guild house, 2 farming, 4251 gralats in an hour. yeah weve got a problem alright.

Haha oh boy, I forgot to actually unsubscribe so i was brought here again. Anyway, you are speaking for quite a large amount of people. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i know none of your stuff is in the museum or for sale. Even if it is, that's a terrible attitude to have about it. I don't think custom uploads should be free for anyone, ever. Why? well because they will receive a lot more quality uploads if someone is willing to dish out a decent amount of Gralats, which you can farm yourself by the way. Also, you yourself will look at it as more of a reward. Just stop complaining and realize that no one is forcing you to have custom uploads. Think of it as more of a privilege than a right.

i dont see how you think people dont deserve a reward for helping the game. seeing a lot of quality uploads is good. its a reward for people who help the game. i know theyre not forcing me to upload the argument im making is that i understand they dont want bad uploads, but the amount theyre charging is making it so the good people arent uploading and adding content to the game. so i want a system that rewards the good people. they can completely take it away for all i care, but the reason they have it is to showcase work. this makes it kinda hard. its actually a great attitude to go about it. if your adding good content to the game you get a reward. and seeing that that reward is to not have to pay to add content to the game how is that unfair? idk your hopeless. i dont see how this couldnt make sense to someone. just try to think real hard and maybe youll get it.

Ok well i'm not trying to start a huge flame war, i was just giving you some perspective. :)

Head18.png + body1.png= Love

Thats all I need.