I noticed a few people posting threads about spar, and asking for advice for improving their skills in the arena. I may not be regarded as one of those amazing sparrers, but I am sure you'll appreciate what I have to say, and I hope you can take the time to read my guide and hopefully learn something new which in turn will help you get better, or understand a mechanic which could mean you may be able to alter your technique and sharpen your sparring.
If you want to know about anything else, just leave a comment and I am sure I can ask around if I cannot give you a decent enough answer myself, enjoy!
Everyone should have their own unique style; some may be similar, but in reality, everyone spars slightly differently. There are many techniques people use, many are based of shapes to describe the pattern in which a player spars (e.g. O is a circular motion, C is a half circle motion, W is a mechanical C technique and so on). There is also rushing, which involves putting constant pressure on the opponent by chasing and quick sword slashes. This may make for an entertaining spar, yet is incredibly hard to master and can be costly as you are more likely to make mistakes early on.
Develop your style, and work out how you will best use it to your advantage in spar; at what point should you slash, how will you disguise your style so you aren't predictable?
This is a massive one as I always get people saying "I am trying to do _ style yet they always know where I am going to go!" so you need to wiggle, use fakes and dodges to get the most out of your spars and hopefully once you have figured out what style you are most comfortable with, you can start using it on others, and of course every spar will be different, so you will need to learn to counter other peoples techniques. See spoiler below:
Countering and Counter Attacking
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So you have a style, yet have you thought that others have their own style too? They want to hit you more than you hit them, obviously. So if they are using an O style, then you may want to try a W-similar style, as it may make it harder for the to circle you as you will dip in and out of their range. You need to quickly work out what they're trying to do, which gets easier with experience, and then you can try to predict what tile they'll be on and in which direction they will be facing, or which way they'll sword. Then you can focus on doing the most damage without putting yourself in danger.
Countering their style means you can counter attack your opponent; if you know that they'll more than likely slash inwards, (still using O style for example) then you can cut round to their side, or more ideally their back, and slash them while the player is exposed as they use their sword. You can then retreat to near a wall, where they cannot complete the full O circle around you, meaning you have stopped their move and you have done damage without receiving any yourself. Do this all in a quick motion means you may do damage consecutively, giving you an instant advantage of at least 1 HP. This can immediately demoralize your opponent and then you can play safe and even trade hits until you get the win.
Mechanics
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When you are hit, your player flashes, and you are invulnerable for a few seconds unless you change direction. This is known as blinking. There are two main uses of blink in spar, and this becomes a major factor of high level spar.
Agressively - You take damage, and while blinking, attempt to run straight at your opponent without changing direction to get a hit on them. This can be risky, as you must be sure your blink will last long enough, and also you must act fast and be sure of where they'll be as you cannot chage direction, otherwise blink autoatically ends.
Defensively - When hit, you may be at risk of being hit again if your opponent has predicted you well. So to avoid this, do not change direction and run run to the opposite side of the spar. This can stop your opponent getting a massive advantage over you if you instead panic and lose your blink.
The only other mechanic I can mention myself is thanks to Thallen.
Your sword has a longer tile reach when slashing downwards, and to the right. This means if you are winning in a streak room, or joined first, you straight away have a slight advantage.
If you aren't doing any of the above, consider these points when trading hits, because when timed well you can appear to trade yet only damaging your opponent and not yourself.
Swords
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According to the game, all swords have exactly the same speed, reach and effect. Yet there are three main categories of swords which can define your style, and may help depending on your internet connection because some are harder to load on a slow ping.
Stab - These only have 4 frames, so are quicker to load, and seem to have a quicker response. Such as droid-slxstabsword1.png.
Small Swords - Again, these seem to have a quicker reaction times, as they have very basic GFX level. Swords like sword1, sword2 and sword3.png
Longer Swords -This doesn't affect your reach in a spar. They just make it easier to distinguish how far you reach is, and does not extend it in any way at all. These can be a tad slower, as there is more of a sword to load, but can make it easier for you to see how close you need to be to your opponent. Try: droid-sabersword1.png .
Or you can use any other sword available, and there are some swords which don't really fit into any of the above or cross between more than one, such as nosword.png, but that isn't really a sword, is it?
Spar Etiquette
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Basically, I always want to encourage a positive community. Cheap shots are always part of spar, yet you join to spar, not to AFK or talk, if something happens and you have to AFK, it is your own carelessness rather than the other player being unsporting.
GL and GGs are always nice to see.
Laggers and Delayers can be super annoying, especially if they knock you off a streak. Yet you must remember that Graal also has a young player base also, and we have players from the all over the globe. Many people have o control over their latency/ping/delay. Just learn to counter them as mentioned previously. Unless you are 100% sure that is deliberate, report it as soon as possible as those are the people that deliberately cheat for an unfair advantage.
Never send angry PMs or offensive messages, because this makes you look extremely childish, its just a game; get over it, have fun and enjoy the ride. If you get angry often, sparring is not for you.
Motivation
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Sparring with friends is really good fun, means you can have a laugh and not be too serious about it. Set yourselves goals e.g "Racing to X000 wins". This means you have a low key target to aim for while being sociable.
Music is also a good thing for sparring alone; certain genres I wouldn't recommend personally, like fast rap. Personally, this causing me to rush, just like any thing that has a really really fast tempo/beat.
I can recommend Three Days Grace album Human as this is the one I currently use as it is soft rock, house music is also quite good as long instrumentals allow you to get into your zone, such as Avicii and Rudimental. But whatever music you like, try it.
I hope you found what you were looking for, and I hope this will positively influence more sparrers to come join the amazing spar community on Classic. Thanks you taking the time to read some, if not all my guide, and a +rep would be amazing! Have a great day.
Red
06-13-2015 11:50 AM
some stuff I already knew but I like the spar etiquette part :) gj
Dale
06-13-2015 11:58 AM
kewl
how do u make a card?
Chun
06-13-2015 02:50 PM
+rep
a very helpful and orangized guide for newbies. I like the disguise your style to make it not predictable part especially. It is one of the most important thing IMO.
Droid
06-13-2015 04:34 PM
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+rep
a very helpful and orangized guide for newbies. I like the disguise your style to make it not predictable part especially. It is one of the most important thing IMO.
Tyvm.
Anything else you feel you think deserves a place on this guide?
MBK
06-13-2015 04:38 PM
wow Droid dood and i thought yo were a noob because you always wore Dem's stripping dress...but i was wrong... +rep
Livid
06-13-2015 04:43 PM
This is extraordinary, I love this, I knew alot about spar but this makes me think of simpler. Shoutout to Thallen for the last tip aswell. +Rep for both.
Rogers
06-13-2015 08:37 PM
Good Job!
+rep
Zetectic
06-13-2015 09:58 PM
good guide
SouthernZombie*
06-13-2015 10:25 PM
+Rep Very organized and helpful!
Albie
06-13-2015 11:11 PM
This a great guide.
I actually learnt a lot, thanks.
Thallen
06-13-2015 11:55 PM
nice post
the one thing holding me back from expanding or continuing on with my spar guide is that I am not good at all with video editing, and videos are basically essential to explaining some of the more advanced mechanics
Droid
06-14-2015 04:54 PM
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Posted by Thallen
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nice post
the one thing holding me back from expanding or continuing on with my spar guide is that I am not good at all with video editing, and videos are basically essential to explaining some of the more advanced mechanics
I can help you out a lot there, I can record and manipulate the footage for you, if that's what you require?
Droid
06-26-2015 02:58 PM
Would you guys think a Graal channel with regular sparring videos explain key concepts would be helpful?
SouthernZombie*
06-26-2015 04:38 PM
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Posted by Droid
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Would you guys think a Graal channel with regular sparring videos explain key concepts would be helpful?
Very :o
Albie
06-26-2015 04:55 PM
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Posted by Droid
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Would you guys think a Graal channel with regular sparring videos explain key concepts would be helpful?
That would be more than helpful ^-^
Droid
07-04-2015 12:01 PM
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Posted by Albie
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That would be more than helpful ^-^
OK, I'll start working on it.
Red
07-04-2015 12:22 PM
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Posted by Droid
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Would you guys think a Graal channel with regular sparring videos explain key concepts would be helpful?
I'd offer to help.
Droid
07-08-2015 05:12 PM
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Posted by Albie
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That would be more than helpful ^-^
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I'd offer to help.
Nice, lets do it.
Red
08-11-2015 11:42 AM
Love the new blink mechanic vid :)!
Pickles
08-15-2015 03:44 AM
I have a really major condition of carpel tunnel. Where is the part in the guide that's for cripples?
bbobb
08-15-2015 07:30 AM
Nice job dude
Arsenal
08-20-2015 04:43 AM
How do people move in a single direction while facing another way? Like you walking west while facing north, and walking south while facing north. This could really help me in sparring and I wanna learn how.
MBK
08-20-2015 01:46 PM
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Posted by Arsenal
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How do people move in a single direction while facing another way? Like you walking west while facing north, and walking south while facing north. This could really help me in sparring and I wanna learn how.
It's called strafing and you can only do it on PC by pressing the left and right button togather while either pressing I to move up or K to move down.
NOTE:You can also strafe down using the DOWN key but can't strafe up with the UP key.Strafing up can only be done with the I key.
#PCMASTERRACEFTW
Arsenal
08-20-2015 03:02 PM
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Posted by MBK
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It's called strafing and you can only do it on PC by pressing the left and right button togather while either pressing I to move up or K to move down.
NOTE:You can also strafe down using the DOWN key but can't strafe up with the UP key.Strafing up can only be done with the I key.
#PCMASTERRACEFTW
Aww... my pc broke down. And I did play on pc for a while ;_;. Well, thanks :)
Fulgore
08-20-2015 10:28 PM
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Posted by MBK
(Post 606627)
It's called strafing and you can only do it on PC by pressing the left and right button togather while either pressing I to move up or K to move down.
NOTE:You can also strafe down using the DOWN key but can't strafe up with the UP key.Strafing up can only be done with the I key.
#PCMASTERRACEFTW
Depends on the keyboard actually. You can strafe up with the up arrow on some keyboards, as well as sideways with the left key while holding up and down simultaneously, but you turn right if you try the other direction.
Arsenal
08-22-2015 11:36 PM
Any tips for what to do when it's 0.5 v 0.5? My hands get really sweaty and they start shaking a bit and I start to move away from my playstyle.
Sardon
08-22-2015 11:44 PM
nobody can teach someone to spar
You need to spar for yourself to learn.
Albie
08-23-2015 12:16 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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Any tips for what to do when it's 0.5 v 0.5? My hands get really sweaty and they start shaking a bit and I start to overcome away from my playstyle.
Stay calm, play more defensive than usual.
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Posted by Sardon
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nobody can teach someone to spar
You need to spar for yourself to learn.
Completely untrue.
Droid taught me how to spar and after about 2 months of him teaching me I was better than a lot of people in the battle arena (these people had been playing years).
Having someone teach you wont instantly make you better, but it will increase the speed of which you improve for sure.
So either I'm a very talented sparrer or teaching does work. I think it's the latter
Arsenal
08-23-2015 04:09 AM
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Posted by Albie
(Post 607418)
Stay calm, play more defensive than usual.
Completely untrue.
Droid taught me how to spar and after about 2 months of him teaching me I was better than a lot of people in the battle arena (these people had been playing years).
Having someone teach you wont instantly make you better, but it will increase the speed of which you improve for sure.
So either I'm a very talented sparrer or teaching does work. I think it's the latter
Albie train me pl0x
Red
08-23-2015 04:17 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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Any tips for what to do when it's 0.5 v 0.5? My hands get really sweaty and they start shaking a bit and I start to move away from my playstyle.
try to keep them guessing, blinks aren't an option obviously since you are on 0.5, throw something new in there.
Say you've been playing defensively the whole game fake a rush and then play it defensive and catch them off guard
Droid
08-23-2015 11:46 AM
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Posted by Albie
(Post 607418)
Completely untrue.
Droid taught me how to spar and after about 2 months of him teaching me I was better than a lot of people in the battle arena (these people had been playing years).
Having someone teach you wont instantly make you better, but it will increase the speed of which you improve for sure.
So either I'm a very talented sparrer or teaching does work. I think it's the latter
You need to take more credit for your own improvement than you are currently giving yourself, but I thank you for how much you valued my time, and I am glad I made such a positive impact to your Graal spar career.
I completely agree with Sardon, but I think Albie worded it better.
"Having someone teach you wont instantly make you better, but it will increase the speed of which you improve for sure."
Zideruic
08-24-2015 01:00 AM
I think people underestimate the power of a well timed slash...or as people who completely are overwhelmed by good timing call it "your sword is so long tf!"
Marouke
08-25-2015 12:11 AM
If there is one more mechanic I think it's going in between sword slashes i've seen very few being able to do it in terms of iDev including myself but it's still ghetto shouldn't work on me when I spam sword really fast... It works once in a forever on me but still those who can do it I applaud!
Arsenal
08-25-2015 04:07 AM
What does the c tech have that's easy to counter? Like how can someone get in and hit you you while doing the c tech?
Fulgore
08-25-2015 05:38 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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What does the c tech have that's easy to counter? Like how can someone get in and hit you you while doing the c tech?
When you c-style you tend to move in pretty wide, predictable arcs. This makes someone with good timing able to hit you while you're still in the arc of the "c" and not at the ends, and since your character tends to not be facing inwards of the "c" when they strike, even trading isn't an option. It's why c-styling has fallen out of favor I think, unless vs. delay when a rush isn't as likely to counter it.
Arsenal
08-25-2015 06:13 AM
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Posted by Fulgore
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When you c-style you tend to move in pretty wide, predictable arcs. This makes someone with good timing able to hit you while you're still in the arc of the "c" and not at the ends, and since your character tends to not be facing inwards of the "c" when they strike, even trading isn't an option. It's why c-styling has fallen out of favor I think, unless vs. delay when a rush isn't as likely to counter it.
Couldn't you just fake them out while they try to hit you while you're in the arc? You should have enough time to hit they're back or sides.
Albie
08-25-2015 11:42 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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Couldn't you just fake them out while they try to hit you while you're in the arc? You should have enough time to hit they're back or sides.
Then you wouldn't be moving in a c shape would you :P
Arsenal
08-25-2015 01:42 PM
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Posted by Albie
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Then you wouldn't be moving in a c shape would you :P
Oh well.. Derp. How didn't that come across my mind? :/
Albie
08-25-2015 02:07 PM
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Posted by Arsenal
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Oh well.. Derp. How didn't that come across my mind? :/
Pretty sure every sparrer starts with a c technique and changes it up a little. As you said, add fakes in your pattern and unexpected sword swings and you'll develop your own style.
Red
08-26-2015 03:47 AM
C sparring isn't always the best way to go, it's extremely predictable and a decent opponent will always know where to spam you because you are repeating the same movement over and over again, learning to spar without this can be a big challenge for newer sparrers so its good to learn how to play without it really early on.
Albie
08-30-2015 10:38 PM
The only real way to do well is use albie-shield.png
Droid
08-31-2015 08:58 PM
Overall, I would descibe my style as
W
^^
I tend to mechanically dip in and out of range. Moving diagonally gives you a slight speed increase.
Arsenal
09-01-2015 01:33 AM
I like using the o pattern and whenever I get to 0.5, I take a defensive approach and use a somewhat c pattern. But I let them approach me
Droid
09-11-2015 08:17 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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I like using the o pattern and whenever I get to 0.5, I take a defensive approach and use a somewhat c pattern. But I let them approach me
O is very good, but it requires you to be pretty fast otherwise your opponent will just hug the walls.
Kosma
09-11-2015 08:59 AM
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Posted by Fulgore
(Post 608096)
When you c-style you tend to move in pretty wide, predictable arcs. This makes someone with good timing able to hit you while you're still in the arc of the "c" and not at the ends, and since your character tends to not be facing inwards of the "c" when they strike, even trading isn't an option. It's why c-styling has fallen out of favor I think, unless vs. delay when a rush isn't as likely to counter it.
Well W-style is basically C style, its a means to contain your opponent within your 2 endpoints. As for fighting someone using this sort of style, it depends on how wide of an area the person is using with his arcs.
If your opponent has a somewhat wide arc in his C/W style, you're gonna want to run towards the centre of this arc as soon as he slashes his sword. Factoring in the delay, you'll hit him as he's running. If he instead uses small arcs, get in as close as u can without stepping into his sword range, and then quarter-circle move and slash. Good sparrers will mix these two up though.
EDIT: If you're in the lead after getting in a hit, a good way to force a trade that I sometimes use is to guess which way (he'll prolly be running towards you) he's gonna start running, and go there immediately and start spamming your sword. Most people will instinctively start running towards this point and as they see you standing there they'll slash and you'll get your trade or even a free hit if he messes up. Trades are so much better for you even with just 1 hit advantage.
Winter
09-11-2015 03:10 PM
IMO sparring in the shape of a letter or other symbol is helpful if you don't know what to do in neutral. It gives you something to do while your mind watches the opponent, and you react from your "home" position before returning to neutral. As you improve, you will realize that these shapes limit yourself to a single form of offense (easy to defend) and a predictable form of defense (easy to attack). You effectively block yourself from adapting and challenging an opponent properly as the state of the match changes over time.
If I watch my spacing and force you to back into a wall without either of us getting hit, you will realize you can't do your full letter or shape and will try to find a way to push me back or move to another zone. So I know you'll either be a bit more offensive (lack defense in panic?) or find a zone to run to safety (and I expect this, so reacting and punishing isn't difficult). This kind of thought process happens very quickly, and you won't notice it unless you consider it before the match or are trained to identify the situation as it comes up. Practice makes perfect.
Arsenal
10-05-2015 01:33 AM
So I've been practising with the O technique (the books in the library are really useful). I use fakes in my pattern and usually move in diagonals because of the slight speed advantage. But people always go to the walls to prevent me from completing the O pattern which is smart. I try to cut to their sides but that's pretty much what they wanted and I get hit from my sides. I was wondering if you guys had any ideas on what I could do to approach them safely without getting hit. Btw sorry for the bump but I really needed help.
Albie
10-05-2015 01:43 AM
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Posted by Arsenal
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So I've been practising with the O technique (the books in the library are really useful). I use fakes in my pattern and usually move in diagonals because of the slight speed advantage. But people always go to the walls to prevent me from completing the O pattern which is smart. I try to cut to their sides but that's pretty much what they wanted and I get hit from my sides. I was wondering if you guys had any ideas on what I could do to approach them safely without getting hit. Btw sorry for the bump but I really needed help.
If people are walling, pretend you're going to run straight at them then hit them from underneath.
You might have to change your style for this though
Alphus
10-13-2015 06:33 PM
How to upload "stab" swords? You keep empty some frames?