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Kosiris 06-07-2015 04:07 PM

Enable Team Killing Again?
 
Greetings!

Recently, team (guild) killing using arrows was disabled, as in they don't add up to your stats even though it says "You have killed (player)". Bombs work occasionally, but there is no point in dropping bombs when your guildmate is at 0.5 when whoever is trying to PK you is near, though.

Do you think team killing should be brought back? Place your votes in the poll and explain why it should/shouldn't be brought back.

Don't post if it won't affect you whether it is changed or not.

Asaiki 06-07-2015 04:08 PM

and you're mad because?

Kosiris 06-07-2015 04:12 PM

wat

Zetectic 06-07-2015 04:15 PM

O ***! how do i switch my votes?
I think team killing is unnecessary. if u wanna pk ur m8s, get off tag m8.
its annoying those lil mofos getting free kills off of guild m8s.
thx god they took it off. a lot of ppl complain about this bs.

Xenthic 06-07-2015 04:28 PM

Pretty much this ^^^

If you like killing your guild members go off tag duh

Vic 06-07-2015 04:35 PM

What's annoying to me is that they don't count for your profile kills but they do count for your daily/weekly kills.

Aguzo 06-07-2015 04:42 PM

They switched it? Leave it like that. Whenever I pk, towerers love to kill each other and not let pkers get the kill. Resulting in me using a bomb/spike/baddy to die aswell. So I like this change :D, it will let pkers possibly get more pks. You get them to 0.5 and their guild buddy goes and kills them. All that hard work, lost. I hope allies can't pk other allies either.

Vic 06-07-2015 04:58 PM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576947)
They switched it? Leave it like that. Whenever I pk, towerers love to kill each other and not let pkers get the kill. Resulting in me using a bomb/spike/baddy to die aswell. So I like this change :D, it will let pkers possibly get more pks. You get them to 0.5 and their guild buddy goes and kills them. All that hard work, lost. I hope allies can't pk other allies either.

This seems good and all in theory, but people still do it because either a) they don't know or b) it doesn't count as negative, it just doesn't count. I can see their pov because they do it to make the pkers mad so they stop pking.

Aguzo 06-07-2015 05:04 PM

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Posted by Vic (Post 576956)
I can see their pov because they do it to make the pkers mad so they stop pking.

I used to do it, to make pkers not want to pk, but that takes the fun out of the game. All this killing yourself stuff. I think they mostly do that towards me, because I get them to .5 pretty easily, and they go and die, because they want me to leave :D. That and also, because I am known for running away at .5-1 hp back when ap wasn't in iclassic and heal myself at castle. People would get mad, and that made it more fun to pk there. Now people hold in their tears towards me.

Vic 06-07-2015 05:10 PM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576964)
I used to do it, to make pkers not want to pk, but that takes the fun out of the game. All this killing yourself stuff. I think they mostly do that towards me, because I get them to .5 pretty easily, and they go and die, because they want me to leave :D. That and also, because I am known for running away at .5-1 hp back when ap wasn't in iclassic and heal myself at castle. People would get mad, and that made it more fun to pk there. Now people hold in their tears towards me.

Fear strikes into young graalians' eyes when they see Hikaru the Heartless walk in the tower!

Bryan* 06-07-2015 05:12 PM

I voted no. This will just make players boost their player killing stats at a rapid rate. It's good they disabled it.

Aguzo 06-07-2015 05:13 PM

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Posted by Vic (Post 576968)
Fear strikes into young graalians' eyes when they see Hikaru the Heartless walk in the tower!


2 years ago :D, when I used to pk somewhat often especially at castle.

Kosiris 06-07-2015 05:22 PM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 576935)
O ***! how do i switch my votes?
I think team killing is unnecessary. if u wanna pk ur m8s, get off tag m8.
its annoying those lil mofos getting free kills off of guild m8s.
thx god they took it off. a lot of ppl complain about this bs.

I think you missed my point. You can still kill them but it doesn't add to your profile. It's meant to irritate PKers not a way to get your kills up.

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576947)
They switched it? Leave it like that. Whenever I pk, towerers love to kill each other and not let pkers get the kill. Resulting in me using a bomb/spike/baddy to die aswell. So I like this change :D, it will let pkers possibly get more pks. You get them to 0.5 and their guild buddy goes and kills them. All that hard work, lost. I hope allies can't pk other allies either.

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576964)
I used to do it, to make pkers not want to pk, but that takes the fun out of the game. All this killing yourself stuff. I think they mostly do that towards me, because I get them to .5 pretty easily, and they go and die, because they want me to leave :D. That and also, because I am known for running away at .5-1 hp back when ap wasn't in iclassic and heal myself at castle. People would get mad, and that made it more fun to pk there. Now people hold in their tears towards me.

I see what you mean, but that still won't stop players from team killing. I can relate to what you said since I've PKed and towered.

If you're gonna disable team killing at least change 'Kills' from profiles to 'Kills From Everyone but your guildmates' :P

Asaiki 06-07-2015 05:23 PM

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Posted by Kosiris (Post 576978)
I think you missed my point. You can still kill them but it doesn't add to your profile. It's meant to irritate PKers not a way to get your kills up.



I see what you mean, but that still won't stop players from team killing. I can relate to what you said since I've PKed and towered.

If you're gonna disable team killing at least change 'Kills' from profiles to 'Kills From Everyone but your guildmates' :P

Can you stop whining c:

Zetectic 06-07-2015 05:46 PM

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Posted by Kosiris (Post 576978)
I think you missed my point. You can still kill them but it doesn't add to your profile. It's meant to irritate PKers not a way to get your kills up.

either way i disagree still.

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576971)

2 years ago :D, when I used to pk somewhat often especially at castle.

that was already 2 years ago and i see my comment. wow

Comyt 06-07-2015 05:49 PM

you should never have been able to have kills against your guildmates added to your stats in the first place, this just causes morons to run around shooting arrows at their friends (who can't fight back) basically boosting their stats. if you seriously liked this, a lot of your kills are not legitimate and it is time for you to play the game the way it is meant to be played.

in response to the whole "don't vote if this doesn't affect you" wtf how butthurt are you over this? this will affect anyone who has ever been in a tower guild. really good move by the staff team. stop crying booster.

GotenGraal 06-07-2015 07:25 PM

Of course not, it's basically boosting. I'm glad they finally changed it.

Kosiris 06-07-2015 07:29 PM

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Posted by Asaiki (Post 576979)
Can you stop whining c:

How am I whining? How about you stop making false accusations and contribute something to the thread?

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Posted by Comyt (Post 576999)
you should never have been able to have kills against your guildmates added to your stats in the first place, this just causes morons to run around shooting arrows at their friends (who can't fight back) basically boosting their stats. if you seriously liked this, a lot of your kills are not legitimate and it is time for you to play the game the way it is meant to be played.

in response to the whole "don't vote if this doesn't affect you" wtf how butthurt are you over this? this will affect anyone who has ever been in a tower guild. really good move by the staff team. stop crying booster.

I didn't know it was changed until I was told about it. Apparrently it was disabled months ago.

You're not seeing it through my point of view. Imagine Vic and I towering and Aguzo comes to PK us. I want Aguzo to stop so I thought "Why did he come here in the first place? He wants kills!", so I use arrows to kill my Vic and vice versa so Aguzo doesn't get PKs and leaves.

"Don't vote if this doesn't affect you" is directed to the people who don't tower or PK.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss this staff decision. I don't want it back or anything.

Kouji 06-07-2015 07:45 PM

If you can't kill team members with your sword you shouldn't be able to kill them with arrows or bombs, if you want to stop a PKer from going to your tower switch tags and steal his PKs on another tag

Comyt 06-07-2015 07:45 PM

so just kill your member without it counting as a kill and move on. your "point of view" doesn't make sense. why would you make this thread about it counting as a kill or not unless you desire some more boosted stats off of your fellow members.

Thallen 06-07-2015 08:31 PM

doesn't make sense to me how being able to kill someone would not add a kill to your statistics
if it doesn't give you a kill then I don't understand why it gives them a death

doesn't particularly matter to me either way, because killing guild members at 0.5 is just as viable of a strategy either way, but there should probably be some sort of consistency between not gaining a kill vs. them gaining a death

twilit 06-07-2015 08:39 PM

@thread in general: Solution: stop being pussies and play the game for what it is.

Santa Claus 06-07-2015 08:46 PM

Should make it for allies as well. I believe allies get the kills as well.

Kosiris 06-07-2015 09:13 PM

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Posted by Kouji (Post 577036)
If you can't kill team members with your sword you shouldn't be able to kill them with arrows or bombs, if you want to stop a PKer from going to your tower switch tags and steal his PKs on another tag

First part makes sense, second part is inconvenient. Bombs shouldn't add kills to your profile or just make guildmates and allies immune to bombs and arrows to avoid deaths increasing if the kill was accidental.

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Posted by Comyt (Post 577037)
so just kill your member without it counting as a kill and move on. your "point of view" doesn't make sense. why would you make this thread about it counting as a kill or not unless you desire some more boosted stats off of your fellow members.

Basically you kill your guildmate so the PKer doesn't get kills and leaves. I never relied on kills from guildmates and I barely noticed this change.
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Posted by Kosiris (Post 577032)
The purpose of this thread is to discuss this staff decision. I don't want it back or anything.


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Posted by twilit (Post 577055)
@thread in general: Solution: stop being pussies and play the game for what it is.

???

Aguzo 06-07-2015 09:17 PM

They should just disable being able to kill guild members with bombs/arrows, but then again allies would get on a tag, steal flag, and then give to an enemy guild. Honestly, graal could have a really good system, but people always find a way to abuse it.

G Fatal 06-07-2015 09:23 PM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 576971)
2 years ago :D, when I used to pk somewhat often especially at castle.

Aha nice, whats that song man!

@thread a kills a kill they still have to damage them, I used to spam stuff at some members to see if they afking/to keep awake lol

_Dellik_ 06-07-2015 09:24 PM

I arrow guild mates on 0.5 when we are defending a tower and enemies aren't in the flag room so they can respawn and come back up with full health fast. It should not count for pks.

Thallen 06-07-2015 09:26 PM

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Posted by _Dellik_ (Post 577075)
I arrow guild mates on 0.5 when we are defending a tower and enemies aren't in the flag room so they can respawn and come back up with full health fast.

same
making it so you can't kill your own team with bombs/arrows like some are suggesting adds nothing to the game

eliminates certain elements of team-involved strategy at towers like Deadwood, Swamp, Castle, Destiny, etc. (any tower where you don't spawn at the flag) where guild mates can assist in killing you so you can return to the flag healthy enough to defend it

would empower already-strong towers like Sardon's and allow you to just spam bombs for free through narrow pathways during any attack at 0 consequence
Snow would be completely untakeable against any guild with a brain, because you can just have 2 people on either side of the flag spamming arrows parallel to the flag and only hitting enemies

etc.

Zetectic 06-07-2015 09:33 PM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 577072)
They should just disable being able to kill guild members with bombs/arrows, but then again allies would get on a tag, steal flag, and then give to an enemy guild. Honestly, graal could have a really good system, but people always find a way to abuse it.

good point mate. solution: disable ally damage on the flag. so when allies hit either flag hp goes up, or stays the same.

GOAT 06-07-2015 10:51 PM

I think this is one of those cases where it doesn't matter which way it goes. Don't think the guild mate killing is high enough to affect the pk stat of the game.


I remember Simple-Z used to kill everyone in HK when we would tower just because he was bored and not to get kills.

Aguzo 06-08-2015 07:38 AM

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Posted by G Fatal (Post 577074)
Aha nice, whats that song man!

anima libera, nightcore version. If you want the good one listen to the original. I used to listen to nightcore a lot before, cause it was faster, but then I started disliking it with the annoying voices.

LiA 06-08-2015 01:17 PM

If the main point of your thread is to enable team killing just because of pkers, then I don't enabling would benefit anyone in any way. You can already kill your own team with bombs & arrows w/o the addition of your stats being improved... Plus players who die will most likely drop their arrows/bombs so that makes it easy for you to refill them, which makes it possible for you to save your team member at 0.5 hp.

Kosiris 06-08-2015 05:32 PM

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Posted by LiA (Post 577331)
If the main point of your thread is to enable team killing just because of pkers, then I don't enabling would benefit anyone in any way. You can already kill your own team with bombs & arrows w/o the addition of your stats being improved... Plus players who die will most likely drop their arrows/bombs so that makes it easy for you to refill them, which makes it possible for you to save your team member at 0.5 hp.

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Posted by Kosiris (Post 577032)
The purpose of this thread is to discuss this staff decision. I don't want it back or anything.

Another reason to kill your guildmates is for them to respawn with full health as stated before

Dusty 06-08-2015 06:30 PM

This is probably a byproduct of me fixing the bug that caused arrow kills to subtract your kills.

Zetectic 06-08-2015 08:01 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 577442)
This is probably a byproduct of me fixing the bug that caused arrow kills to subtract your kills.

let em get their kills subtracted. bish tryina get kills off of ur guild m8 and call it a strategy?

and do something about those kid that uses horse breathe fire to kill themselves and use spider to die. now i remember why i quit pking except mobs.

Kosiris 06-11-2015 09:43 AM

Seems like team killing's been returned

Thallen 06-11-2015 05:49 PM

sweet

Ivy 06-11-2015 10:11 PM

cool


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