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Wolfie 06-06-2015 04:32 AM

A System That Can Probably Reduce A MAJOR Amount of Lag
 
Okay, so this isn't really my idea, but I've seen it on other games.

Instead of having 3k+ players on one server, how about make multiple servers to connect to? Like sub-servers. If one server has too many players and is too laggy, we can go to a different server where there's less players and it's less laggy? Maps and stuff will be the same, nothing changes. Just on a different server, like a different client or something idk. The lag on Classic is INSANE, where you freeze every few seconds. Since this server can barely hold 3k players, I say this is a pretty good idea.

Games like Order and Chaos, League of Legends (not sure about this one), Elder Scroll Online, and I think World of Warcraft has it.

Anyway, ya. That's "my" idea.

I have a feeling this is the wrong sub-forum to put this into. If I am wrong, mods. Please don't close it, but just kindly move it to the correct sub-forum. :)

Sariss 06-06-2015 04:37 AM

If you're freezing that much, then delete and install it. I was getting freeze frames like every four seconds.

Rolense 06-06-2015 04:39 AM

For me, It is not good for that I wouldn't learn the culture of other country men. Some poeple just want servers of classic because they wanted to be alone and get gralats for farming in grotto/Get hours to a tower. So do you think this is a possibility? If yes it should've been done before 2014. Just my opinion ���� emoji strong.

Wolfie 06-06-2015 04:39 AM

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Posted by Sariss (Post 576342)
If you're freezing that much, then delete and install it. I was getting freeze frames like every four seconds.

I can't even count how many times I have re-install this game.

Not just that, walking into Graal City or into a fort cause a major framerate decrease. Not really enjoying that.

Khai 06-06-2015 04:40 AM

Brought up already, answer was no.

Wolfie 06-06-2015 04:43 AM

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Posted by Rolense (Post 576343)
For me, It is not good for that I wouldn't learn the culture of other country men. Some poeple just want servers of classic because they wanted to be alone and get gralats for farming in grotto/Get hours to a tower. So do you think this is a possibility? If yes it should've been done before 2014. Just my opinion ���� emoji strong.

Hmm, you make a good point there.

But maybe only focus on towering on 2 "main" sub-servers? Like, don't put towers on other sub-servers, but only put it on 2. So the main focus on those servers is towering?

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Posted by viy (Post 576345)
Brought up already, answer was no.

Really? Can you link me to the original thread?

Would love to see what people thought of this idea.

Khai 06-06-2015 04:55 AM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576347)
Hmm, you make a good point there.

But maybe only focus on towering on 2 "main" sub-servers? Like, don't put towers on other sub-servers, but only put it on 2. So the main focus on those servers is towering?



Really? Can you link me to the original thread?

Would love to see what people thought of this idea.

I don't want to go through hundreds of threads

GOAT 06-06-2015 05:17 AM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576347)
Really? Can you link me to the original thread?

Would love to see what people thought of this idea.

It has been brought up in many threads regarding lag. The conclusion:
Nobody on this forum has any say on something like that. They can fix stuff and add content, but something like this can only be done by the ownership.

Darkk 06-06-2015 05:30 AM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576340)
Okay, so this isn't really my idea, but I've seen it on other games.

Instead of having 3k+ players on one server, how about make multiple servers to connect to? Like sub-servers. If one server has too many players and is too laggy, we can go to a different server where there's less players and it's less laggy? Maps and stuff will be the same, nothing changes. Just on a different server, like a different client or something idk. The lag on Classic is INSANE, where you freeze every few seconds. Since this server can barely hold 3k players, I say this is a pretty good idea.

Games like Order and Chaos, League of Legends (not sure about this one), Elder Scroll Online, and I think World of Warcraft has it.

Anyway, ya. That's "my" idea.

I have a feeling this is the wrong sub-forum to put this into. If I am wrong, mods. Please don't close it, but just kindly move it to the correct sub-forum. :)

The classic lag isn't "insane." If it's this bad, then its obviously you using an old device and/or an unstable connection.

MBK 06-06-2015 05:54 AM

It has been suggested before but as usual...it was ignored.

Droid 06-06-2015 06:09 AM

Make the switch to PC people, a game made for PC needs a PC.

_Dellik_ 06-06-2015 06:10 AM

The lag and frame rate are significantly improved on pc for me.

Kosiris 06-06-2015 07:49 AM

The freezing issue has nothing to do with server capacity. It starts appearing frequently when your device caches a lot ot images.

Wolfie 06-06-2015 08:36 AM

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Posted by Droid (Post 576374)
Make the switch to PC people, a game made for PC needs a PC.

But it's known as iClassic, Classic iPhone, iOS Classic, Classic iOS

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Posted by Darkk (Post 576361)
The classic lag isn't "insane." If it's this bad, then its obviously you using an old device and/or an unstable connection.

My wifi is pretty stable. And I'm using a iPad 2 :o is iPad 2 considered as an old device now?

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Posted by _Dellik_ (Post 576375)
The lag and frame rate are significantly improved on pc for me.

I don't own a PC, well I do, but it's not functioning (broken)

Really? :( None of the users on here agrees with this idea?

Oh well, I guess I can do nothing about that :(

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Posted by Khaled (Post 576387)
The freezing issue has nothing to do with server capacity. It starts appearing frequently when your device caches a lot ot images.

What about the framerate decrease?

_Dellik_ 06-06-2015 08:48 AM

I have played classic on an iPad, iPod 4th gen, and kindle fire and I got the low framerate and screen freezing on all three. On PC I have a little bit higher ping, but the game runs very smoothly, no freezes or fps issues.

Droid 06-06-2015 10:00 AM

The multiple server idea is good to reduce lag. But it would definitely cripple gameplay. For example:
  • Towering would have less competition, people would go on a server which has not many on / low guild holding tower
  • Boosting would be made easier as there wouldn't be enough staff to police all servers at once, nor would Classic be in a position to employ more.
  • Sparring would be less active, because people would join another server to streak. This again leaves door open to boosters.
  • What if events were held on the server you weren't on? People complain about the weighted queue system now, but a slim chance is better than no chance right?

I can go on and on.

Wolfie 06-06-2015 10:15 AM

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Posted by Droid (Post 576407)
The multiple server idea is good to reduce lag. But it would definitely cripple gameplay. For example:
  • Towering would have less competition, people would go on a server which has not many on / low guild holding tower
  • Boosting would be made easier as there wouldn't be enough staff to police all servers at once, nor would Classic be in a position to employ more.
  • Sparring would be less active, because people would join another server to streak. This again leaves door open to boosters.
  • What if events were held on the server you weren't on? People complain about the weighted queue system now, but a slim chance is better than no chance right?

I can go on and on.

1. Maybe focus 2 servers on towering, and 2 servers on sparring? (If one server is packed full of people and lag, they can go on a different server to spar?) like take away spar and towers on all the other servers, and put them on 2 "main" servers?

2. Idea: If a player kill another player 5 or 10 times, make it so kills won't add after that? (Use IP to track noob accounts? If the noob account is using the same IP as the person who was killed 10 times, the kills won't count for the same person trying to kill?)

3. Look back at number 1.

4. Events messages will be cross-servers? Once the staff sent out the event message, it goes out to all servers?

Crono 06-06-2015 10:38 AM

Oh man, how have we never thought of this?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?!!

Droid 06-06-2015 11:44 AM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576411)
1. Maybe focus 2 servers on towering, and 2 servers on sparring? (If one server is packed full of people and lag, they can go on a different server to spar?) like take away spar and towers on all the other servers, and put them on 2 "main" servers?

2. Idea: If a player kill another player 5 or 10 times, make it so kills won't add after that? (Use IP to track noob accounts? If the noob account is using the same IP as the person who was killed 10 times, the kills won't count for the same person trying to kill?)

3. Look back at number 1.

4. Events messages will be cross-servers? Once the staff sent out the event message, it goes out to all servers?

Counter Arguments:
  1. This would kill acivity on the worlds without towers and also would mean less players in forts anyways, not everyone is there to take the tower.
  2. This happens anyway, but using multiple Ip trackers over multiple servers will probably add to the lag and slow the game down. What if there are two players PKing on the same network?
  3. Please stop trying to convince yourself this is a good idea, my previous points were enough to show that it would dissect the community completely and ruin this game.

Why not just UPGRADE the one server we have? or just play on PC where there is no freezing ever? :0

Ash Ketchum 06-06-2015 11:54 AM

I'd love if they added servers with little clever names to them, like "Server Taylor Richaards", OR servers that are named after the top guilds

Terd 06-06-2015 02:20 PM

Wouldn't work cuz what the hell would they do about cross server towering ... Like what if a guild on server one had a tower and some guild members from the same guild went on server two and took a tower... Would it still be double hours since it's not on one server??? Confusing

Kosiris 06-06-2015 03:06 PM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576390)
But it's known as iClassic, Classic iPhone, iOS Classic, Classic iOS



My wifi is pretty stable. And I'm using a iPad 2 :o is iPad 2 considered as an old device now?



I don't own a PC, well I do, but it's not functioning (broken)

Really? :( None of the users on here agrees with this idea?

Oh well, I guess I can do nothing about that :(



What about the framerate decrease?

Framerate drops are also a result of weak devices.

Kendama 06-06-2015 06:49 PM

First guild to 50,000 hours gets their own server only only they can enter.

Khai 06-06-2015 06:52 PM

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Posted by Kendama (Post 576519)
First guild to 50,000 hours gets their own server only only they can enter.

Then they'd capture all their towers...

Thallen 06-06-2015 07:07 PM

you make this sound like it's so easy though
it's like saying "if your house has bad insulation, just buy a new one"

Wolfie 06-06-2015 08:32 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 576528)
you make this sound like it's so easy though
it's like saying "if your house has bad insulation, just buy a new one"

No, not at all. I know developments can take forever, even if they are implementing this (which I highly doubt now that I see some say that many have disagree), it would take a long time

Yes, you may look at this that way, but in this case, it's more like renting an apartment to wait for your house to finish the construction. You can always go back on the server you like, your "main" server when less players are on it.

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Posted by Terd (Post 576463)
Wouldn't work cuz what the hell would they do about cross server towering ... Like what if a guild on server one had a tower and some guild members from the same guild went on server two and took a tower... Would it still be double hours since it's not on one server??? Confusing

-You cannot take this tower because your guild already have a tower on another server!-

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Posted by Droid (Post 576443)
Counter Arguments:
  1. This would kill acivity on the worlds without towers and also would mean less players in forts anyways, not everyone is there to take the tower.
  2. This happens anyway, but using multiple Ip trackers over multiple servers will probably add to the lag and slow the game down. What if there are two players PKing on the same network?
  3. Please stop trying to convince yourself this is a good idea, my previous points were enough to show that it would dissect the community completely and ruin this game.

Why not just UPGRADE the one server we have? or just play on PC where there is no freezing ever? :0

Less players in fort? What do you mean? Rofl. Can you see the 100+ 1k guilds on Classic?

Hmm, if IP doesn't work, then check accounts linking? If this noob account is linked to the account that was killed, again, kills won't add. Maybe add IP tracker to each server? Not just 1 IP tracker managing all servers?

:l I know what I'm doing is probably useless and will not be added to the game, but better then not trying :l

Upgrade the one server we have? How so?

Not all have a PC. Just because you have a PC doesn't mean everyone else can get it. :l

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Posted by Crono (Post 576431)
Oh man, how have we never thought of this?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?!!

Stoppp :( sarcasm isn't needed right now ):

Red 06-06-2015 10:09 PM

switch to pc. making the switch to pc at 4k wins was the best decision I ever made

Wolfie 06-06-2015 10:15 PM

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Posted by OG (Post 576594)
switch to pc. making the switch to pc at 4k wins was the best decision I ever made

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 576548)
Not all have a PC. Just because you have a PC doesn't mean everyone else can get it. :l

...

twilit 06-06-2015 11:46 PM

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Posted by Droid (Post 576407)
The multiple server idea is good to reduce lag. But it would definitely cripple gameplay. For example:
  • Towering would have less competition, people would go on a server which has not many on / low guild holding tower
  • Boosting would be made easier as there wouldn't be enough staff to police all servers at once, nor would Classic be in a position to employ more.
  • Sparring would be less active, because people would join another server to streak. This again leaves door open to boosters.
  • What if events were held on the server you weren't on? People complain about the weighted queue system now, but a slim chance is better than no chance right?

I can go on and on.

Hmm... that's funny. I remember the exact same things happened on the "Facebook" "Server." And it was shut down. So Wolfie, don't bother arguing with Droid.

Wolfie 06-07-2015 02:13 AM

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Posted by twilit (Post 576660)
Hmm... that's funny. I remember the exact same things happened on the "Facebook" "Server." And it was shut down. So Wolfie, don't bother arguing with Droid.

Guess not :l

Ivy 06-07-2015 02:42 AM

Can we get the zoom on iPhone 6 fixed first?!

Rolense 06-07-2015 06:04 AM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 576734)
Can we get the zoom on iPhone 6 fixed first?!

For I remember the zoom of graal is on iPad mini only. I don't know because it might just be on you're settings.

Droid 06-07-2015 03:05 PM

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Posted by twilit (Post 576660)
don't bother arguing with Droid.

Nuff said. Adding this to my signature so others get the idea.
+rep twilit

Rufus 06-07-2015 04:07 PM

Easiest thing to do with most of these arguments is present the idea that people are required to commit to one server instance. The majority of server-wide instanced games do this. The only issues with an idea like this are short term.

Seņor Albonio 06-07-2015 04:19 PM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 576734)
Can we get the zoom on iPhone 6 fixed first?!

THIS.

It's bugging me.
While you're at it add pixelated view to the iPhone 6 as well.

Jatz 06-07-2015 04:30 PM

Without reading any posts in this thread besides the initial post, I can tell you that the reason this is happening is because the owner of graal has zero development abilities himself, he was entirely reliant on stefan to maintain the engine, and now that stefan has departed, so has any progress on graal. There will be no improvements to the servers, tools or client unless unixmad decides to invest money into bringing on another engine developer, and as it currently stands he has expressed no interest in doing so.

rip in peace grail

Ivy 06-07-2015 04:46 PM

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Posted by Seņor Albonio (Post 576937)
THIS.

It's bugging me.
While you're at it add pixelated view to the iPhone 6 as well.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

IT WORKS FINE ON EVERY OTHER SERVER.
WHY NOT JUST KINDLY ASK ZONE (they have the best system imo) FOR THEIR SCRIPT. THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS SINCE THE IPHONE 6 WAS EVEN RELEASED.

YET CLASSIC IS HALFWAY THROUGH 2015 AND STILL HASNT FIXED THIS ****

twilit 06-07-2015 08:42 PM

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Posted by Droid (Post 576905)
Nuff said. Adding this to my signature so others get the idea.

That wasnt an absolute statement. It was only for this context.


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