My Upload attempt
 

Tried to upload this:

http://i.imgur.com/Yrv9MMQ.gif

Got this response:
Sorry the upload has been disapproved because of: No rapidly flashing animations or changing colors.

Edited Upload:

http://i.imgur.com/gfi1ZSr.gif

Got this response:

Sorry the upload has been disapproved because of: Do not resubmit this image. Do not resubmit means that you have submitted a bad file and we would prefer if you not submit it again as it falls under a broken rule or something of that nature.


So, I get the first response, and thought I made necessary changes, but second response isn't as clear.

the colors are changing at a to fast speed for graal due to epileptic kids

But then I completely removed the changing colors and get the second response.

That second response is a typo. It should read "The current administrator reviewing your work doesn't know wtf they are doing. Please try again in a few hours when it's past their bed time."

That being said, you may (or may not) have transparency issues if you have used 'pure' white or 'pure' black in your image. Try altering the eye/mouth color as well as the 'shine' spots on the eyes and head and resubmit.

If you get the same message again, wait 3-4 hours and you may get a different admin. Everyone who tries to submit anything goes through this. It's nothing new.

the 12 year old admins are to blame
https://33.media.tumblr.com/50973210...rjdlo1_400.gif

The submission auto-response system, put in place to prevent the 12 year old admins from having direct contact with the playerbase and causing any 'issues' with clients is to blame, I feel.

It literally takes 10 minutes if you can get an actual admin on the line to discuss what the problem is. If not, it takes hours and hours of frustration when the only issue they have could be even a single pixel of transparency.

just wait a bit till the ****** is off n submit the head a few hours later

I tried again and got rejected. I wish there was better communication with this stuff. I have no idea if it's a pixel issue or what

Is that an edit of EllyBelly's head?

OH,
mhm seems similiar to it now that you point it out

Looks like you used 0 black and 0 white, that might be the problem. There's a response that say's "do not use 0 black" or something similar, so I don't know if that's the case. The up-loader might have been one of elly belly's noobs, so that could also be a reason it was denied.

My Upload attempt
 

I'm not sure what that is exactly (0 black 0 white) but I'll look into it. I'm using photoshop cs6.

It is a variation of elly bellys head. I animated it, changed the mouth and size of tongue. I think those were the things that made it different so that's what I changed. The rest is basically a yellow circle which is pretty common.

My guess is it's probably elly belly buddies rejecting me. Otherwise they would of gave me a detailed reason of why it was rejected, so that I could make necessary changes.

Is ellybelly still staff?

No hasn't been for awhile. I talked to him the other day. He was towering with beg for mercy.

So if he isn't they have can't say they reject on staff inpersonation(even if they just picking random options instead of that lol) Maybe there should be feature showing who's denies etc plus there is a custom reason they can pick to say exactly why they arnt allowing (if this is just one person rejecting them)

p.s on a sidenote(havent been on classic in yrs) but didnt they make the yellow smile head look similer to this anyway at one point??

Yeah there is a default smiley face that anyone can use that already looks very similar to elly bellys.

I spent awhile editing it, and making it animated. It's lame getting rejecting without any specific reasons

That person isn't an admin anymore. I'm not trying to pretend to be one. There is various heads that look similar. I edited a head enough to make it unique, and I still get rejected. At least could the admin rejecting me be professional enough to give me a clear reason so I can make necessary changes.

Also not sure if same on classic but there is a nonhuman head rule aswell, so maybe thats also why cause its not really human like just character/bighead yellow/red..

Heads like these are sometimes tricky to decide whether it should be accepted or not as some rules clash with others i.e some allow earings but not a headband etc even though rules would state no hats etc

Personally Ithink anything within reason should be allowed (apart from having a hat on etc-something that would make player not want to buy other hats and apart from rude stuff/images /the ovious stuff that you wouldnt exspect being rejected anyway) but hey rules are rules..

They don't do that to anybody. Classic has all their rejection reasons written and up-loaders just pick the one that pertains to your upload. The "it is a bad file" reason hasn't really been explained, so I don't know what it means.

Here's a link with the reasons
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...6&postcount=27

And here's an explanation by psymons aka Mr. Simons
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...8&postcount=33

0 is the blackest version of the color black and graal uses that for transparency. If you upload an image using black it will show up transparent in-game.
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The "it is a bad file, do not submit again" reason is usually reserved for uploads that can't be "fixed" or changed in a manner that will allow them to be uploaded. I can't vouch for whether reviewers use the reasons accordingly, but I'm pretty sure that's the actual use of that denial reason.

Or you can just make your own smiley face head. Just an FYI that editing a head with or without a player's permission doesn't make it yours

There is an absolute rule that copyright does NOT cover type fonts, and that rule has been extended even to unique typographical designs. Also, simple symbols and common geometric shapes generally do not qualify for copyright protection. So if your logo is made solely of type, or a relatively simple graphic shape, the copyright analysis will not apply.

With respect to pictorial or design elements, copyright covers “expression,” that is, the artistic choices made in expressing an idea, but not the underlying idea itself. For example, more than one illustrator has depicted the idea of a figure removing part of his head along with his hat. However, there is no infringement when the artistic decisions used to depict that idea are different, e.g., different postures for the figure, different composition, and different rendering styles.

Technically, I guess one could make the argument that Elly Bellys head is copyright infringement, because of it's similarities to an emoji. It's a Yellow head.

Copyright infringement occurs when your new work incorporates artistic expression from the original, even if it takes only a small part of the original work, and even if you add a lot of your own original expression.

Exactly. You literally copied the exact head. Yes, I understand that the head is a common simple design or what not, however it was a signature head of a weller known admin, and using Graal as a microcosm etc., that is considered copyright infringement. As you stated, "if it takes only a small part of the original work, and even if you add a lot of your own original expression." shows this is completely copyright infringement.

You also previously stated "It is a variation of elly bellys head. I animated it, changed the mouth and size of tongue. I think those were the things that made it different so that's what I changed. The rest is basically a yellow circle which is pretty common.". There is completely no variation from it, other than some flashing colors. Lastly, just resizing different aspects such as the tongue and mouth doesn't change anything to consider it yours

I'd assume that it was rejected because of how it flashes back to when the tongue is not out.

Right, so if mine is a copyright infringement then so is his, because he is definitely not the first to come up with a yellow smile head. So one could argue no one should ever use any variation of a yellow smile head unless they are the creator of the old PAC man game or creator of emojis. Any kind of variation of a yellow head would still be copyright infringement based on those standards.

What I think happened is when the admin saw the same shape head resubmitted they just cliked disapproved instead of checking if it was actually different. I think this happens a lot. It seems to happen a lot with guild logos, for me atleast, and I'm like I did change the picture you scrubs and they are like
not paying attention to my request
Banning people for using words like noob
Giving attention to reports filed by noobs that report when you pk them.
Fapping to there hat collections and illegal shield codes.

It's probably getting denied because it's Elly Belly's head. He isn't staff anymore but since the head is widely known as his head, it's being denied to avoid impersonation, probably.

Yeah this has happened to me with shields. I just wait an hour, rename, the file, and upload again then it worked.

This is what I've been trying to explain to everyone since I started gfx.
It's a lost cause though, nobody understands that and the ones who do don't give a duck about it.

What is fapping? Is it a reward for towering like the 1k hat or 20k mount?

But yeah, it's weird. I've had a few guild images that say approved then it'll be the same old pic. So I try to upload again, and they say I have to wait because I just uploaded. I'm struggling to understand the system, but will not give up because i believe!

Also, Can you change the size of your font, maybe to caps? Because I can barley read what you're saying. It could be my phone though.o

What is fapping?...What is fapping?...What is fapping?... Dang, I tought this generation was doomed... Seems like I was wrong.

If you mean flipper quest, I've already did it.

*Facepalm*

Can you please look into things more before making a thread on stuff that can be answered with just common sense?

Sorry, please forgive me. My thread must of went over your head, I'll try to simplify next time.

shots fired

Smh. No, I don't think you understand what IS and what IS NOT copyrighted. Your head IS an edited Elly Belly head, NOT a smiley face of your own. Yes! It is a common symbol!

I do understand what a copyright is, but how can one copyright something already copyrighted?

His is clearly a copyright of this :P

Actually, even if they're not staff anymore, they're not allowed to upload the head, unless given permission by said ex-staff member.

That's my experience at least.

its not your head ellybelly owns all rights too it, how hard is it to understand ??

So he has rights to this head :P ? Otherwise where is the copyright infringement

I don't mess with gifs, but I just noticed that the windows viewer shows all the frames in a gif. The 6th frame/layer shows up like this, so that might be your problem.

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lol no he doesn't. You need to understand that somebody has to get copyright protection against their stuff. Graal has one, but players don't. I doubt smelly belly filed copyright protection on his ball licking head. oh man that gave me a good lol :love:

Paceman you and your noob guild are gonna gonna sit In A room by yourselves and not talk you her. ME but yeah that happened with my sheild I waited ten seconds after upload and couldn't help fapping.

PIKCHIU

Have you seen my guild lately? It's getting stronger and stronger. It's like
I've created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to

This is the case.

Your argument is not valid. That's like saying it's not illegal to rob a bank that has already been robbed a few days ago.

A head that has been used by an admin (even if they're ex-admins) can only be uploaded by someone else is given permission to by that admin, even if it's just an edit.

I'm not arguing but my point is valid. Your analogy actually makes no common sense in regards to the point I have made.

Also, you are kind of jumping around on the point I think you may be attempting to make. Are you talking about graal rules or the law? If you're talking about law and copyright infringement, well that's going to vary depending on country, state, county, etc.

You said "how can something be copyright of a copyright?" It's still copyright if you copy it. Again, if you rob a bank even after its already been robbed, it's still illegal. In this case, you are copyrighting something which has been copyrighted, and it's still copyright.

I don't disagree with you there. So shouldn't the original copyrighted material not be allowed? Instead I see it being used.

Can somebody lock up this thread?
I don't think it's going anywhere anyway.
But if you can't understand pacman: smileys don't actually belong to anybody since everybody can use those. It's Ellybelly's head which is an admin, so you can't get it without his permission. Let's not talk about this anymore