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Graal vs Customers
Hey guys,
I was recently banned for 300 hours for having in my profile "give Graal one star if you're tired of server lag and find the game unplayable" they deemed this "inappropriate behavior". A couple days later a thread titled "give graal one star" on here which is independent from the game was deleted and my ban was increased to 2500 hours. Whether you agree with my criticism of Graal or not these staff and owners continue to violate our rights especially our freedom of speech. Products every day are criticized, reviewed, and tested resulting in both positive and negative feedback without retaliation or punishment. So why Graal? Why are these staff and owners so insecure with their game? Why are dishing out ludacris bans against people who speak out about the game. I never forced anyone to write or rate the game poorly. If they were experiencing lag or delay I simply reminded them if you're not happy with the product that rating and reviewing might grab their attention. I wanted to share this because I see it as a gross injustice and something more people should stand up against. |
Honestly dude stop posting threads
if it is so bad just quit already yo |
Thanks for you comment Colin, If I were Graal Staff I'd have it deleted and ban you for life.
Quit reading every thread or block me is also an option. |
They have the right to punish you if you acted any rebellious act to a product. Like, would they keep you just by proclaiming "Give Graal One Star if you hate the server lag!"
Have common sense. Why would they keep you if you would just let their server go down? Obviously, the result is negative so they will kick you out for sure 101%. Criticizing in that way is NOT JUST. Its not even called criticizing, its called rebelling. You can just suggest not by bringing down a server. Really.. if you hate the server, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. They aren't forcing you to play. |
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Which obviously is not going to work so him bantering is useless, but it's probably because it's the only game his guild SLX can do somewhat good at. Me bashing on him like that even though I know it won't do anything and he won't care is the equivalent of what he is attempting with Graal. |
If you don't see me in the future... I'm probably banned lol Stay strong guys!! |
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That said, it's sad that you actually got banned for what you did. It shows, at the least, that whoever banned you realizes that your concerns are valid enough that people might listen to you and rate the game 1 star. |
Tbh ban everybody. Find excuses and ban the crap out of the server. It's the only way to fix the lag.
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Technicaly they are outtabounds if its saying something here. Since this is not affiliated with graal and this is fanmade website, graal has 0 rights to come on Here and punish players for doing something illegal on a graal offical website but is legal here. Think of it as US during prohibition. Basically you cant drink in the us because its illegal. But you can go to mexico where it is legal and drink away and america cant do **** because they allow it there.
Actually i dont know if iclassic applies here since this is offical iclassic site. But for anyother server you should be fine. |
Ph8 is right, they technically can do what they've done to you. That said, I'm glad to know that you aren't giving up.
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I myself have given a Graal server a 1 star rating and I've had players tell me they would do the same because I haven't helped them as they would like on Era. It's not the job of any Graal staff to reject and control actions of free speech that do not break the Graalonline rules. Rating a server badly is not against our rules. |
He was banned for telling everyone to rate Graal 1 Star just because of a Server Lag... Only obnoxious people would do that.
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I don't agree you should of got banned for this post but did you really get banned from this post? Of course not. I don't know the reason why you was banned but i can certainly tell from your created threads. You was creating a status "IN GAME", saying to rate graal a 1 star. Firstly let players rate the game how they feel it should be rated without a flamming angry person trying to coherse the rating you deem fit (this is why you probably got banned, not for creating a thread). Some people say the servers don't lag? Some people actually enjoy the game. When your trying to rate the gane a 1 star your doing more damage then good. This could possible lead people to opt out of downloading the game, diminishing its player base. Then you would only be left to play with the lonely npcserver, |
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I can understand completely why Graal would ban you for that given the long history of terrible service and admins since the beginning. But believe it or not i actually feel the admins now are actually way better then what it was more than 10 years ago. Although still abit of that 'stink', ie: admins acting emotionally and unprofessionally, from the past is still lingering. What i cannot understand is why are there players acting up and being defensive when someone talks about bad service from graal? Are these people fanboys? Or did graal pay them gralats? Whatever the reason is i dont understand why. Wouldnt it be better if we players do something together similar to what Demrow is doing to pressure the management and 'motivate' them to do better so life will be better for everyone playing and paying for the game? This way its good for the graalian management because their game will get better and more players and $$$, players become happier because they know their concerns are being taken care of. Fanboys will be happy too because more people like their game. Triple win situation. |
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Regardless of the context, it's unethical to ban a player for voicing an opinion if that opinion has no swearing or inappropriate content. |
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They probably don't want you to start a riot that may or may not influence other Graalians. But I still don't think that's a possible reason for you to be banned for such a high amount of hours for voicing your opinion towards Graal in-game or not.
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Wushen, it's rare to find rationale people. Most people don't even need a reason to get involved with issues, and everyone on the Internet is the smartest guy at the bar. Colin and Crono are some of the worst. Generally they're just out trolling these forums without cause looking for a fight.
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Don't call people out that aren't even part of the thread. That will get you baned |
Everything can get you banned.
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I'll tell you why I act the way I do towards you, First of all, you posted on the other thread saying that thread was the reason you were banned but now you are saying you got banned before that and that thread just added to the time. Presumably because you think your new ban story will make you look more like a victim and gain peoples support. You still have not even posted a single shred of evidence backing up the claim of that being your ban reason and I am definitely not going to trust a guy like you to be honest with his word given you already lied about the ban. Half the time you rant about Graal you state they don't care about the players and ramble on about how bad they are so I will use your own 'I didn't force them to do it' argument and tell you that Graal is not forcing you to play so if you don't like the way it works you can leave at any time. I can't even understand why someone over 20 can still care so much about a game like this. P.S I am pretty sure you are lying about being older than 20 as well. Quote:
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add anything u want me to test out for the next video. |
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Also "rate this 1 star because it lags" is nowhere close to revolutionary speech. Quote:
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Hahaha... I still don't know why I'm banned only speculating as I did nothing inappropriate. I logged on was banned for 300 hours with my status deleted and then it was increased to 2500 and my thread on here was deleted. Regardless I was punished for both things from what I can gather but staff aren't really available to discuss these kind of things. Submitting a ticket is useless and they use as little detail as possible when responding back.
Also, Colin quit following me around these threads if you don't like what I have to say, you are on my nuts hard and your constant trolling is sad. You are literally on this site 24/7. You make other people's problems your problems for no reason. You're stirring the pot to entertain yourself. I don't know how you spend your time on Graal whether you just sit and socialize or actually spar, pk, castle, or do events but the game is flawed and saying something negative about a game should not result in a ban. |
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And don't bring 2001 graal, I know you didn't play back in 2001. Quote:
But next time I will just focus on iClassic server. dw Quote:
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But we digress. the admins then were terrible. Seriously. Quote:
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"Graal, please fix the lag right now! Or else I will give you a 1 star rating on the App Store!"
*five minutes later* "Oh wow, you still haven't done anything? Fine, giving you a 1 star rating because you aren't fast enough and apparently lag can be fixed extremely quick since, you know, I work for other servers that are as populous as Classic, so yeah, lag should be fixed automatically in one day because I know it can. Also I'm just gonna try to contact Toonslab themselves since apparently they can fix the lag in one day!" *makes a thread which gets deleted* "Oh wow they deleted my thread on the forums "Graalians" which is totally independent from the game and coincidentally has the name Graalians! And they banned me! Wow brb giving one star ratings on five other Apple accounts. You guys should do it, too!" That is what you sound like right now. You are coming off as really immature so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to act right away. Also lag has been a problem for a while now and people have complained about it so what makes you think that if you suggest it, things will automatically change? Because you're giving them a one star? You're banned so why do you even want this to be fixed so badly? Also: Quote:
Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously. Also, it isn't like the lag is super horrible. The game is not unplayable. You are exaggerating over this. |
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It has to do with the company and owners, but they don't care or feel about it unless something radical like this happens. It a way to approach high management teams and owners. |
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The fact that they ban people for this means they do take it seriously.
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No one can force anyone to do anything
a lot of people who want less lag on server can't force the higher ups to better the game. Unless said people took control of game. Demrow didn't force anyone to do anything Giving your consent is givingyour consent. By acting that is your choice. These arguments are child shii This game should be took care of in my opinion. Graal should be looked after by attentive players and staff. And I think that because I really like this game. When people don't take care of the my favorite games I get really frustrated because I can see the potential im just getting cheated half way with a banana peel the janitor forgot to clean up.SLIP!,.lagout |
Multipas, thank you for being rational and reading what I wrote.
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More management abuse?
Nice to see nothing has changed. |
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It has its pros and cons |
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Saying my posts don't have thought just because I don't agree with you is hardly a valid thing to say, anyone who agrees with me would see that my posts are actually able to back themselves up, and I never jump into an argument where I can't back myself up. I also would not be on these forums if I didn't have some comprehension skills. I would not have been able to even register if I didn't understand how to type. I don't see Demrow posting that video as a reply to my post as him not taking me seriously, but rather just him not even having anything else to say and not being able to back himself up. The problem with these forums (and, at that, the community itself) is that when someone disagrees with someone else's idea, people see it as some big fight, when in reality I myself have never said "This is a stupid idea." or "Horrible idea." without actually elaborating on my opinion. When I give an opinion or idea I make sure to elaborate on it. And when I begin to start being "immature", it's because I know there is no longer a point to an argument because I have either a) gotten my point across or b) I know there's nothing else for me to say. If you don't like me because I don't agree with some of your ideas, then that's fine, but I see it unfair for you to say I lack comprehension skills just because I don't agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just because I don't agree with your opinions doesn't mean I lack the ability to comprehend anything. Your way isn't always the right way. Also, the only people I'd see "thanking me" would be you, Thallen, and a bunch of other sparers, which, honestly, doesn't bother me at all. |
So, would anyone mind telling me what Demrow is upset about? the ban? the lack of freedom of speech? the server lag? the bad staff? or all the haters? I'm really confused.
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I don't want to quote the whole thing so space is taken up, but this is in reply to Common Sense.
I'm not saying this because you disagree with me. But a lot of what you used to back up your argument simply does not make sense. Your elaborations on what freedom of speech is defined as and how it's used in this sense are frankly wrong in their application, as are a few other statements made that I'm not going to list for the sake of being concise. Your opinion is not what I was referring to in my post, it's what you used to back it up. I'm fine with different opinions, anyone who isn't is living in some alternate universe. But as far as evidence or facts you use to back them up, I find little to no thought put into it, or perhaps just incorrect thought. While statements can be opinionated, the facts used to arrive at that conclusion can be proven true or false. |
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