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Tizy 02-16-2015 09:27 PM

Zone is dead
 
Basically no one plays it, the staff is terrible, and it's kinda boring

Josh-Kun 02-16-2015 09:28 PM

No ****.

Ghettoicedtea 02-16-2015 09:42 PM

dis ***** this game dead. Its not anywhere near dead.

MrSimons 02-16-2015 10:21 PM

Maybe instead of posting a one sentence complaint that contributes nothing to the community, you could actually try to say something that means anything. Who are you even complaining to? Did you even think about that, or anything else you said?

To start off, "no one plays it", is incorrect. The playercount has been rising at a slow but consistent pace for awhile now, with the max playercount is above 1k.

As for the current playercount, it averages around 450 - 500
http://gyazo.com/722453927c809d3f0f7e5efe0c3bb172.png
taken at 3:50 PM MST Monday January 16th 2015
To me that number is just fine and has never caused me problems when playing, there are plenty people online, but not so many that the server is overcrowded.
So realistically, no, the server isn't "dead".


As for staff being terrible, maybe you want to elaborate? Is there any particular department you think is lazy or have witnessed being abusive, or individual staff members. Because saying "the staff are terrible" doesn't help anyone and nothing can be done to help you if you just say that.

If you think the staff are just bad in general I'd love to see some suggestions on how to fix the entire team up with more capable people.


Same goes with the server being boring, I have no idea what you think is fun, or what the hell you want from the server because you haven't contributed anything to discuss.

GOAT 02-16-2015 11:58 PM

man I miss these threads in the classic section.

Cookie Xanadu 02-17-2015 12:12 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 541828)
As for staff being terrible, maybe you want to elaborate? Is there any particular department you think is lazy or have witnessed being abusive, or individual staff members. Because saying "the staff are terrible" doesn't help anyone and nothing can be done to help you if you just say that.

If you think the staff are just bad in general I'd love to see some suggestions on how to fix the entire team up with more capable people.
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In my opinion, no lasting content is put out. It's just hats, joke weapons, the occasional linear PvP base with 3 or rooms and the dreadfull overworld layout. Not to mention that you guys don't even have a dedicated gun admin anymore or anyone even really paying attention to PvP in general as it's just thrust upon general developers now.

1. Take your time, get organized and release MEATY content. You know, things such as missions, new planets, etc. that last. Do NOT throw in a turkey leg or a spoopy skeleton arm as a weapon and call it content. A big suggestion is to lay off all of the celebrations, hat making and furniture creation for every holiday that comes up and instead focus on major content for the next year so that you can get something out, then you can goof off a little while still focusing.

2. PvP in general is being too focused on squads. Squads are trash and I understand they're a big source of revenue, but what about those that just want to kill everything they see or have randomized teams that have to go after an objective?

3. Remove kebab and skybases, as well as shrinking the main GMap so that people have more incentive to explore and visit other things. This could also tie in with new planets and such; PvP planets that are NOT about taking a base for a squad, but instead have randomized teams vying for like a power cell or some ****.

IV. Can't stress this enough, but get a god damn gun admin and if needed, a "Combat" admin; someone who looks at combat+PvP and works with the gun admin so that they bring focus to and fix up that aspect of the game, making it much more enjoyable, while the developers who code can do their jobs and not have to worry about it.

5. Enough with all of the damn joke weapons, hats and furniture shops. Infact, just stop making items for every holiday you can think of. It's rather sad to see how so much focus is put on preparation for these holidays when it should be towards more major and lasting content.

6. With Stefan gone, from what I remember, Tashkin is able to actually modify classes now, which means classes should actually be changed up so that they have bonuses and drawbacks, as well as unique weapons. This would also include removing those dreadful medic+turret bots and instead giving medic a heal that has a cooldown of X seconds and they have to be able to touch the player to use it. Removal of AoE healing rods would also be a major balancing plus.

tl;dr: Get organized, stop spending 60% of your time on every holiday that comes up (which means enough with that hats, joke weapons and furniture releases) and put it into major content. Also need to hire people specifically for combat and PvP so that general devs can focus on something else and keep it from being a snorefest. Make classes worthwhile with perks AND cons.

PumaD 02-17-2015 12:22 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 541828)
If you think the staff are just bad in general I'd love to see some suggestions on how to fix the entire team up with more capable people.

stop replying to these threads

MrSimons 02-17-2015 01:43 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 541863)
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I was replying to op.

Khai 02-17-2015 02:46 AM

Your definition of no one is 200-500 players <3

kenthefruit 02-17-2015 04:23 AM

Just stop replying to these threads, you dont need to prove your point.

Ryan 02-17-2015 05:21 AM

yes because having 100's of players is dead. The majority of Graal's games don't even pass 1000 players

XSTARX 02-17-2015 05:49 AM

What's the point of making a complain report if nothing is ever done?

Wolfie 02-17-2015 06:37 AM

I heard Zone's management is terrible, and Tashkin managing both iZone and iKingdoms.

Platinum 02-17-2015 10:06 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 541828)
Stuff a lot of staff members say.

It's all very well to say, "Instead of complaining, contribute!", but there is no way for anyone to contribute except for sending in poorly done hats or weapons that literally nobody cares about.

EDIT: Read the post properly. There've been so many ideas suggested but I haven't seen any of them implemented.

G Fatal 02-17-2015 10:21 AM

Lets face it zone will never be what you really want. neither will other servers.

Ghettoicedtea 02-17-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Posted by MrSimons (Post 541828)
If you think the staff are just bad in general I'd love to see some suggestions on how to fix the entire team up with more capable people.

put in the amount of effort into your jobs as I did. I proved you can get a lot done and change a lot IN GAME by putting in effort.

Ivy 02-17-2015 03:12 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 542012)
put in the amount of effort into your jobs as I did. I proved you can get a lot done and change a lot IN GAME by putting in effort.

You played with gun stats and killed płayers in bases as a job, so you have no room to talk.


And let's not get into all those times you spammed rc about your guns.

Matt11239 02-17-2015 03:17 PM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542033)
You played with gun stats and killed płayers in bases as a job, so you have no room to talk.


And let's not get into all those times you spammed rc about your guns.

LMAO

+Rep Immediately

Ivy 02-17-2015 03:47 PM

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Posted by Matt11239 (Post 542038)
LMAO

+Rep Immediately

have sum cupcakes :blush:

Sardon 02-17-2015 04:14 PM

not a zone player but I like the ideas

Maybe the next graal game shouldnt be a era remake and people will play it

Cookie Xanadu 02-17-2015 04:21 PM

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Posted by Wolfie (Post 541935)
I heard Zone's management is terrible, and Tashkin managing both iZone and iKingdoms.

Yeah, Tashkin manages both and it's a horrible idea. He really should pass it onto PD

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542033)
You played with gun stats and killed płayers in bases as a job, so you have no room to talk.


And let's not get into all those times you spammed rc about your guns.

And that is his job... you can't expect someone to perfectly balance weapons in a fixed enviroment. No, they need to be in a normal PvP setting to see how it really shines.

Ghettoicedtea 02-17-2015 04:33 PM

Zone is dead
 
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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542033)
You played with gun stats and killed płayers in bases as a job, so you have no room to talk.


And let's not get into all those times you spammed rc about your guns.


Ya thats because i was hired to do that. Balanced on paper is one thing, but that doesnt always translate over too in game, example being the railgun and heavy laser(frenzy). It is balanced on paper but in game its so easy to use making it a better choice for most. As for rc spam, tashkin set it up that way, i seriously could not update at will whenever i wanted.

Also give me a break, even if i did "abuse powers" i got a lot more done than anyone else would have done in 6months.

Kendama 02-17-2015 04:42 PM

Wait what is zone?!

G Fatal 02-17-2015 04:45 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 542012)
put in the amount of effort into your jobs as I did. I proved you can get a lot done and change a lot IN GAME by putting in effort.

you changed something?

imSupah 02-17-2015 05:29 PM

Problem is Zone is not dead. No, it's just boring. There's no real content now. You guys can all lash on GiT but truth be told, he tried to make Zone true to its PvP roots with changing the guns. Yes, he was supposed to change gun stats. That is a job as a GA. Testing on players wasn't the ideal idea but at least he tried to change the server up. The server now is basically holiday shops and the same old bases. The map is also unorganized and the tileset is still ugly. As I said, game is boring.

Ivy 02-17-2015 05:41 PM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542066)
Problem is Zone is not dead. No, it's just boring. There's no real content now. You guys can all lash on GiT but truth be told, he tried to make Zone true to its PvP roots with changing the guns. Yes, he was supposed to change gun stats. That is a job as a GA. Testing on players wasn't the ideal idea but at least he tried to change the server up. The server now is basically holiday shops and the same old bases. The map is also unorganized and the tileset is still ugly. As I said, game is boring.

This. Except there was something fairly new added, haven't gottrn a chance to find them yet though. (Was in news) it seems pretty cool

XSTARX 02-17-2015 09:31 PM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542033)
You played with gun stats and killed płayers in bases as a job, so you have no room to talk.


And let's not get into all those times you spammed rc about your guns.

Maybe one day, the current GA in zone (which is Tash) will actually notice the bug in flamethrower. One day...

Cookie Xanadu 02-17-2015 09:48 PM

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Posted by XSTARX (Post 542166)
Maybe one day, the current GA in zone (which is Tash) will actually notice the bug in flamethrower. One day...

There isn't a GA. It falls onto all of the general devs, not Tash.

PumaD 02-17-2015 10:50 PM

Tashkin as the manager.. he's doing okay I guess. But he can't focus on Kingdoms, Kingdoms iPhone and Zone iPhone, that's clear. Kingdoms is a dead horse, he should just leave it. Same applies to Kingdoms iPhone, doubt it'll make it. Especially when he got Zone to care about aswell. He should really focus on only one server and do his best.

About PD as manager.. well, I'll leave you some links.
http://forums.opengraal.com/search.php?searchid=477875
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthre...5362-Darkblade
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthread.php?5167-Spooon
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthre...ro-again-gt-gt
forums.opengraal.com/showthread.php?4834-Cyberbullying-(paper)

Not saying he is a bad manager, or does his job really bad. I have no clue and won't say anything about him/his work, but judging by those threads/posts of him I wouldn't want to see him as a manager. I think he can't he would be lost managing a server on his own, especially when going to college now, I believe.

Would love to see Tashkin as the manager, but without being Kingdoms manager so he can focus on Zone 110%.

kenthefruit 02-17-2015 11:44 PM

Why does this happen in every Zone related thread? Original Post starts off by complaining about the server. Then GhettoIcedTea comes on, says how big and mighty he was as Guns Admin and how he made the server that much better. Someone disagrees with him then Cookie Xanadu backs him up saying how he was perfect and made Zone amazing.

Distorted 02-17-2015 11:45 PM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542206)
Why does this happen in every Zone related thread? Original Post starts off by complaining about the server. Then GhettoIcedTea comes on, says how big and mighty he was as Guns Admin and how he made the server that much better. Someone disagrees with him then Cookie Xanadu backs him up saying how he was perfect and made Zone amazing.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Ivy 02-17-2015 11:51 PM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542206)
Why does this happen in every Zone related thread? Original Post starts off by complaining about the server. Then GhettoIcedTea comes on, says how big and mighty he was as Guns Admin and how he made the server that much better. Someone disagrees with him then Cookie Xanadu backs him up saying how he was perfect and made Zone amazing.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/upload...-On-Scrubs.gif

imSupah 02-18-2015 12:22 AM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542206)
Why does this happen in every Zone related thread? Original Post starts off by complaining about the server. Then GhettoIcedTea comes on, says how big and mighty he was as Guns Admin and how he made the server that much better. Someone disagrees with him then Cookie Xanadu backs him up saying how he was perfect and made Zone amazing.

Pretty much cause Ghetto did try to bring Zone back to the PvP roots. He did made the server better. A lot better. Zone should be focus on PvP and combat. Not a virtual shopping mall. Not sure if you are trying to defend Zone or go against it cause I seen you do both.

Ivy 02-18-2015 12:24 AM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542218)
Pretty much cause Ghetto did try to bring Zone back to the PvP roots. He did made the server better. A lot better. Zone should be focus on PvP and combat. Not a virtual shopping mall. Not sure if you are trying to defend Zone or go against it cause I seen you do both.

I hate pvp and combat. If you want pure pvp and combat go play call of duty or gta, it's a lot better than Graal . :)

kenthefruit 02-18-2015 12:26 AM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542218)
Pretty much cause Ghetto did try to bring Zone back to the PvP roots. He did made the server better. A lot better. Zone should be focus on PvP and combat. Not a virtual shopping mall. Not sure if you are trying to defend Zone or go against it cause I seen you do both.

i speak my mind, couldnt care about either.

Cookie Xanadu 02-18-2015 02:20 AM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542206)
Why does this happen in every Zone related thread? Original Post starts off by complaining about the server. Then GhettoIcedTea comes on, says how big and mighty he was as Guns Admin and how he made the server that much better. Someone disagrees with him then Cookie Xanadu backs him up saying how he was perfect and made Zone amazing.

I don't say he's perfect, I say that what he did was kind of what's needed to do the job correctly.

Ivy 02-18-2015 02:43 AM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542223)
i speak my mind, couldnt care about either.


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/upload...-On-Scrubs.gif
Lmfao

imSupah 02-18-2015 02:54 AM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542221)
I hate pvp and combat. If you want pure pvp and combat go play call of duty or gta, it's a lot better than Graal . :)

Not the point I'm trying to make. I can't play COD or GTA V on my device. Sorry but the Zone description reads enter battlefields joining hundreds of other players for a unique game play experience. Last time I check, a battlefield is all combat. Just cause you hate PvPing doesn't mean the server have to cater around your needs. Zone was a truly PvP server when GiT was around but now its a shopping mall as I said. I can play COD or GTA or any FPS, but if I'm itching for a mobile PvP and what you telling me in the description is that its a battle game yet its not, I sure am hell gonna complain.

Khai 02-18-2015 02:55 AM

I kinda agree, Zone needs to be more combat wise.

imSupah 02-18-2015 02:56 AM

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Posted by kenovo (Post 542223)
i speak my mind, couldnt care about either.

Then that makes no sense. Bashing a server then defending it is like me saying I hate Sprite but love to drink it.

kenthefruit 02-18-2015 03:10 AM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542265)
Then that makes no sense. Bashing a server then defending it is like me saying I hate Sprite but love to drink it.

it means i speak my mind, simply put. i can have an opinion on one thing then a newly found opinion on another.

Shiz 02-18-2015 03:12 AM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542265)
Then that makes no sense. Bashing a server then defending it is like me saying I hate Sprite but love to drink it.

Could mean I like sprite but then they added some ****ty new ingredient which gave it horrible taste.

Same applies to a server.

imSupah 02-18-2015 03:28 AM

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 542270)
Could mean I like sprite but then they added some ****ty new ingredient which gave it horrible taste.

Same applies to a server.

If you seen Zone updates and Kenovo posts about it ever since he left, he only bashes the server. There was no new content update to even make him come here going against GiT like the server is progressing. Anywho, I'm done here.

GOAT 02-18-2015 03:30 AM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 542189)
About PD as manager.. well, I'll leave you some links.
http://forums.opengraal.com/search.php?searchid=477875
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthre...5362-Darkblade
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthread.php?5167-Spooon
http://forums.opengraal.com/showthre...ro-again-gt-gt
forums.opengraal.com/showthread.php?4834-Cyberbullying-(paper)

Not saying he is a bad manager, or does his job really bad. I have no clue and won't say anything about him/his work, but judging by those threads/posts of him I wouldn't want to see him as a manager. I think he can't he would be lost managing a server on his own, especially when going to college now, I believe.

Not even going to lie, those were lol, but I have to point out those threads were 3-4 years old. Also, the GR community can be pretty ruthless to outsiders.



#GIT4GunGod

Ghettoicedtea 02-18-2015 05:05 AM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542221)
I hate pvp and combat. If you want pure pvp and combat go play call of duty or gta, it's a lot better than Graal . :)

Well zone is supposed to be the battlefield of graal. At launch zone was supposed to be a pure pvp server and it sorta was. If you dont want to take part in combat you dont have to, theres a central hub to chat and stuff and to **** around in. But if you hate combat then what are you doing in a war game? Thats like getting an ultra anti vietnam 60s hippie being drafted into the military and being deployed into vietnam. Wat.

kenthefruit 02-18-2015 05:09 AM

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 542273)
If you look at the Zone Threads and Kenovo's posts, he only bashes the server since he resigned. There was no new content updates to make him post here, and now going against GhettoIcedTea like the server isn't progressing. Anyways, I'm done here.

I speak my mind, thought that was clear :rolleyes::unsure:

PumaD 02-18-2015 03:47 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 542275)
Not even going to lie, those were lol, but I have to point out those threads were 3-4 years old. Also, the GR community can be pretty ruthless to outsiders.



#GIT4GunGod

True that, but let's face this now. He's in college, so he's 20+ I believe? And ago 3-4 years he was XYZ ages old. Yea..

Cookie Xanadu 02-18-2015 10:09 PM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 542359)
True that, but let's face this now. He's in college, so he's 20+ I believe? And ago 3-4 years he was XYZ ages old. Yea..

Yeah, comparing those to how he was is kind of unfair. Judging by how he types now compared to then, I'd say he matured a lot. His grammar also improved greatly.

PumaD 02-19-2015 12:06 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 542434)
Yeah, comparing those to how he was is kind of unfair. Judging by how he types now compared to then, I'd say he matured a lot. His grammar also improved greatly.

He was 16 or 17 years old back then I believe. That's nothing near unfair, of course people change but I can bring any example supporting my point aswell. But then again, people would still cry and complain about my points being unrealistic and rude. He behaved like a 11 years old back then.

Cookie Xanadu 02-19-2015 03:43 PM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 542466)
He was 16 or 17 years old back then I believe. That's nothing near unfair, of course people change but I can bring any example supporting my point aswell. But then again, people would still cry and complain about my points being unrealistic and rude. He behaved like a 11 years old back then.

Don't forget that a good 50% of serve managers on Graal used to be like that and worse. Not all, but a fair bit of them were even worse than that.


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