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bdog15 02-04-2015 05:03 AM

What happend to iEra
 
Since if been gone for awhile I now see that iEra is faltering. What happen to it it used to flourish over everything, what happened?

Khai 02-04-2015 05:15 AM

PR team is bigger than Dev.

Vendhin 02-04-2015 05:30 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 539341)
PR team is bigger than Dev.

Unfortunately this is correct.
We lost devs to other servers, or they resigned/got fired.

Khai 02-04-2015 06:15 AM

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Posted by Vendhin (Post 539342)
Unfortunately this is correct.
We lost devs to other servers, or they resigned/got fired.

I'll work for iEra's gani team <3

John 02-04-2015 06:36 AM

The growing number of problems persist that strain players to decide whether they want to stick it out or not. Though the playercount will be high on some weeks around 3k, we are losing some players who have been with us for years because of things like the lag which just seems to keep getting worse each year in my opinion.

Vendhin 02-04-2015 07:28 AM

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Posted by John (Post 539351)
The growing number of problems persist that strain players to decide whether they want to stick it out or not. Though the playercount will be high on some weeks around 3k, we are losing some players who have been with us for years because of things like the lag which just seems to keep getting worse each year in my opinion.

Lag is a problem too, but we've done all we can with scripts to try and fix this.
Unfortunately, that could only really be fixed by toonslab upgrading the hardware

ToshiHiro* 02-04-2015 10:23 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 539348)
I'll work for iEra's gani team <3

In order to get a chance to be in Gani Team, contact Grief Hero.

Distorted 02-04-2015 12:19 PM

What happened to iEra? A 70$ gun happened.

Khai 02-04-2015 02:19 PM

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Posted by ToshiHiro* (Post 539367)
In order to get a chance to be in Gani Team, contact Grief Hero.

Heard he resigned?

Reno 02-04-2015 03:21 PM

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Posted by viy (Post 539402)
Heard he resigned?

Not according to our account list, but that could be outdated.

Yeah we need scripters to make progress, so it's slow going when we rely upon what we have. But onward and upward. Things'll come out soon.

Emera 02-04-2015 04:34 PM

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Posted by Reno (Post 539411)
Not according to our account list, but that could be outdated.

Yeah we need scripters to make progress, so it's slow going when we rely upon what we have. But onward and upward. Things'll come out soon.

Cool to hear you're still with iEra *waves*

Kieran2820 02-04-2015 05:58 PM

Yea. Basically we need more scripters and developers. Also when the trailer was released for countryside, there was a massive buzz. That has died down now and people have lost hope in it

Grief Hero 02-05-2015 01:51 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 539402)
Heard he resigned?

I'm still alive.

Tricxta 02-05-2015 02:46 AM

iEra should hire me pls.

Reno 02-05-2015 03:34 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 539501)
iEra should hire me pls.

That would make my day :love:

Maybe you can charm him into it :)

Khai 02-05-2015 05:28 AM

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Posted by Grief Hero (Post 539492)
I'm still alive.

Someone showed me a thread of you saying your goodbyes.

ToshiHiro* 02-05-2015 11:03 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 539527)
Someone showed me a thread of you saying your goodbyes.

But he's back now :)

Khai 02-05-2015 04:52 PM

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Posted by ToshiHiro* (Post 539557)
But he's back now :)

Dope.

Ver'iApplez 02-05-2015 10:07 PM

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Posted by Grief Hero (Post 539492)
I'm still alive.

<3 Miss you

Tricxta 02-06-2015 12:40 AM

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Posted by Reno (Post 539516)
That would make my day :love:

Maybe you can charm him into it :)

Haha, not sure what chance I have getting back in given some 'do gooder' will alert unixmad I'm part of graal reborn the moment I step in the door.

Reno 02-06-2015 01:33 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 539711)
Haha, not sure what chance I have getting back in given some 'do gooder' will alert unixmad I'm part of graal reborn the moment I step in the door.

Yeah snk said no :( it was bound to happen though.

Cookie Xanadu 02-06-2015 03:38 AM

Just name yourself Trixctb and I'm sure no one will notice.

Tricxta 02-06-2015 03:45 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 539748)
Just name yourself Trixctb and I'm sure no one will notice.

This is genius, I'm not sure why I never thought of it earlier.

DarkKnight 02-08-2015 12:43 AM

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Kay9 02-08-2015 04:16 AM

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Posted by Vendhin (Post 539356)
Lag is a problem too, but we've done all we can with scripts to try and fix this.
Unfortunately, that could only really be fixed by toonslab upgrading the hardware

Go on strike, force them to upgrade :p

Reno 02-08-2015 07:47 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 540154)
Go on strike, force them to upgrade :p

Staff who went on strike about the hardware issues would be fired and replaced swiftly I would think.

ToshiHiro* 02-08-2015 09:12 AM

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Posted by Reno (Post 540182)
Staff who went on strike about the hardware issues would be fired and replaced swiftly I would think.

Uh, oh no.

Jester Lapse 02-08-2015 09:35 AM

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Posted by Reno (Post 540182)
Staff who went on strike about the hardware issues would be fired and replaced swiftly I would think.

Replaced with who? Lol, anyone who posses talents to work for a server, either do or don't want to. That's why PR team is overflowing and dev team is lacking on really any server.

Graal thrives off of conning people to work for free. If there is no one who knows how to do the jobs required, Graal goes away simply because they don't hire professionals and rely heavily on volunteers.

The flaw with this approach is that you are limited only to the people that actively take in content from Graal, and out of those, the ones who are willing to learn what it takes to dev. Which if anyone has been paying attention, is dwindling lower and lower as the time goes by. People would much rather take the easier approach by calling themselves a "PR".

Fun fact, Graal needs scripters, however those that do know how to script don't help or share that knowledge with others in a widespread basis (this could be because it is harder to teach scripting, idk I don't script, just speaking on what I've noticed over the years). Compare that to something like GFX or LAT, anyone can pick that up because that community is larger and people get help and feedback quickly alas helping them improve.

If you need more scripters, train some :)

Reno 02-08-2015 01:27 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 540190)
Replaced with who? Lol, anyone who posses talents to work for a server, either do or don't want to. That's why PR team is overflowing and dev team is lacking on really any server.

Graal thrives off of conning people to work for free. If there is no one who knows how to do the jobs required, Graal goes away simply because they don't hire professionals and rely heavily on volunteers.

The flaw with this approach is that you are limited only to the people that actively take in content from Graal, and out of those, the ones who are willing to learn what it takes to dev. Which if anyone has been paying attention, is dwindling lower and lower as the time goes by. People would much rather take the easier approach by calling themselves a "PR".

Fun fact, Graal needs scripters, however those that do know how to script don't help or share that knowledge with others in a widespread basis (this could be because it is harder to teach scripting, idk I don't script, just speaking on what I've noticed over the years). Compare that to something like GFX or LAT, anyone can pick that up because that community is larger and people get help and feedback quickly alas helping them improve.

If you need more scripters, train some :)

That's why Testbed is now a hosted server.

That being said it's hard to just 'learn' GS2 because let's face it, it's a poorly implemented language. It requires access to a server to even debug. In my opinion this is the main reason there's a lack of scripters, it's not an accessible language.

Toonslab couldn't give a toss about the old development tools, or even real documentation. Discounting the function lists you can find on the bible, there's no 'real' documentation. To combat the very obvious scripter drought Toonslab should have either adapted their older tools, or even recreated them from scratch, to be compatible with GS2 or have real and thorough documentation created by a professional. I assume they have the resources to do that.

The community created tutorials either finish too early, not covering all of the essentials, or focus on aspects that aren't helpful for server creation. Some just aren't complete.

I wish it was as easy as just 'training' scripters =/

And yeah, getting volunteers to assist in creating Graal servers and moderate them probably makes Toonslab laugh their way to the bank lol. I understand that they do employ some people though, outside of the Graal community.

P.S I'm aware that GS2 needs a server because it talks to the NPC-Server etc. I'm sure that an editor could be created that could have a modified NPC-Server emulated inside it.

ToshiHiro* 02-08-2015 03:34 PM

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Posted by Reno (Post 540197)
That's why Testbed is now a hosted server.

That being said it's hard to just 'learn' GS2 because let's face it, it's a poorly implemented language. It requires access to a server to even debug. In my opinion this is the main reason there's a lack of scripters, it's not an accessible language.

Toonslab couldn't give a toss about the old development tools, or even real documentation. Discounting the function lists you can find on the bible, there's no 'real' documentation. To combat the very obvious scripter drought Toonslab should have either adapted their older tools, or even recreated them from scratch, to be compatible with GS2 or have real and thorough documentation created by a professional. I assume they have the resources to do that.

The community created tutorials either finish too early, not covering all of the essentials, or focus on aspects that aren't helpful for server creation. Some just aren't complete.

I wish it was as easy as just 'training' scripters =/

And yeah, getting volunteers to assist in creating Graal servers and moderate them probably makes Toonslab laugh their way to the bank lol. I understand that they do employ some people though, outside of the Graal community.

P.S I'm aware that GS2 needs a server because it talks to the NPC-Server etc. I'm sure that an editor could be created that could have a modified NPC-Server emulated inside it.

I was added on Testbed by my friend Deshi but I have no idea how to start off learning GS2, no one ever teaches me how.

Cookie Xanadu 02-08-2015 03:59 PM

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Posted by Reno (Post 540197)
P.S I'm aware that GS2 needs a server because it talks to the NPC-Server etc. I'm sure that an editor could be created that could have a modified NPC-Server emulated inside it.

Pretty sure FP made a little emulator for simple GS2. Might only be for the stuff in his tutorial though.

Lafez 02-08-2015 04:31 PM

#rehire the king jatz

Kay9 02-08-2015 04:48 PM

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Posted by Reno (Post 540182)
Staff who went on strike about the hardware issues would be fired and replaced swiftly I would think.

Then let them replace. It won't end very well for them. A large scale strike would accomplish the goal of essential upgrades which I'm sure toonslab can afford. This would work if people really did care about the server over their own reputation.

Ivy 02-17-2015 03:45 PM

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Posted by ToshiHiro* (Post 540211)
I was added on Testbedbut I have no idea how to start off learning GS2, no one ever teaches me how.

Same.

G Fatal 02-17-2015 04:53 PM

exactly same as all servers (keen on repetitiveness instead of progression on stuff)

Shiz 02-20-2015 02:33 PM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 542040)
Same.

Fp4's guide is a very simple and easy one to look at.

Take a look here.

Then, start practicing on testbed or another server on the dev. After reading his guide then you'll get an easier view of GS2.

Emera 02-20-2015 08:58 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 540190)
those that do know how to script don't help or share that knowledge with others in a widespread basis

I do share what I know and always have. I'm only a PM away after all, and I keep my eye on the General Graal Development forum for newer scripters that need some help :(

PumaD 02-20-2015 09:29 PM

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Posted by Emera (Post 542806)
I do share what I know and always have. I'm only a PM away after all, and I keep my eye on the General Graal Development forum for newer scripters that need some help :(

Be my sensei and teach me your arts of scripting then! :'( :'(

Johnaudi 02-20-2015 11:35 PM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 542809)
Be my sensei and teach me your arts of scripting then! :'( :'(

Traitor!

Nevertheless, the next big release is obviously new town - which will absolutely be worth the wait. Less original content is being worked on so they can open space on previous projects, which is a good step IMO.

But who am I to judge? :)

PumaD 02-21-2015 12:04 AM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 542828)
Traitor!

It's not being a traitor when the best of the best says no! :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(

Powder 02-21-2015 12:06 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 539501)
iEra should hire me pls.

Best move 2015. :P

Thunderstorm 02-25-2015 09:37 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 540190)
Replaced with who? Lol, anyone who posses talents to work for a server, either do or don't want to. That's why PR team is overflowing and dev team is lacking on really any server.

Graal thrives off of conning people to work for free. If there is no one who knows how to do the jobs required, Graal goes away simply because they don't hire professionals and rely heavily on volunteers.

The flaw with this approach is that you are limited only to the people that actively take in content from Graal, and out of those, the ones who are willing to learn what it takes to dev. Which if anyone has been paying attention, is dwindling lower and lower as the time goes by. People would much rather take the easier approach by calling themselves a "PR".

Fun fact, Graal needs scripters, however those that do know how to script don't help or share that knowledge with others in a widespread basis (this could be because it is harder to teach scripting, idk I don't script, just speaking on what I've noticed over the years). Compare that to something like GFX or LAT, anyone can pick that up because that community is larger and people get help and feedback quickly alas helping them improve.

If you need more scripters, train some :)

Well said, but there's a simple answer. The vast majority of scripters are smart enough to realise they can take there talent elsewhere, and get paid for it.

In here I go into more detail (as well as most of my occasional posts recently) about the, imo, unethical actions implemented by Eurocenter since Graal's inception.

The developers that stay, and hang around, are still around for one of two things:
1. The social scene/reminiscing on the ol' days (ie. most people <2012 lol).
2. Too lazy, unaware or lack of interest in pursuing better and bigger things in the field of programming and software engineering.

And these 2 reasons keep Graal up and running and the content flowing.

Tricxta 02-25-2015 09:09 PM

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Posted by Thunderstorm (Post 543806)
The developers that day hang around are still around for one of two things:
1. The social scene/reminiscing on the ol' days (ie. most people <2012 lol).
2. Too lazy, unaware or lack of interest in pursuing better and bigger things in the field of programming and software engineering.

And these 2 reasons keep Graal up and running and the content flowing.

Well to me, Graal was a cheap way of seeing your code come to life and be played by hundreds of people and reaping the satisfaction from that without having to invest in all the infrastructure myself, hence making it an excellent part time hobby while one studies...

Thunderstorm 02-26-2015 08:44 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 543937)
Well to me, Graal was a cheap way of seeing your code come to life and be played by hundreds of people and reaping the satisfaction from that without having to invest in all the infrastructure myself, hence making it an excellent part time hobby while one studies...

Yeah, the word 'lazy' has more drastic connotations than a word like 'convenience' which would be a better way to put it.

Hugop 02-26-2015 12:25 PM

I can python, java and lua but still not GS2, more variables and functions would be useful for GS2/3 but since Stefan is gone, no one cares about that.

Howl 02-26-2015 02:21 PM

Era's player base has greatly increased :o Now, most of the time, Era has more players than Classic.

Itkitt321 03-07-2015 10:12 AM

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Posted by Kieran2820 (Post 539436)
Yea. Basically we need more scripters and developers. Also when the trailer was released for countryside, there was a massive buzz. That has died down now and people have lost hope in it

Talking bout the countryside, it haven't got release :angry:

Ghettoicedtea 03-09-2015 03:02 PM

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Posted by Itkitt321 (Post 545920)
Talking bout the countryside, it haven't got release :angry:

It did, its called old west.

Vendhin 03-10-2015 07:34 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 546277)
It did, its called old west.

Country is very different from ol'west.

Jester Lapse 03-10-2015 08:07 AM

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Posted by Vendhin (Post 546432)
Country is very different from ol'west.

The difference being one wont be released and one already has been.


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