Player run Guild spar Tournament.
 

Hey,
I was thinking about making a player run tournament where we used a website to host a tournament bracket. Guild leaders would enter their guilds with an entry fee of 5-10 dollars deposited into a Paypal account. It could be a single loss elimination or a two loss elimination style tournament. 1st and 2nd place teams win a percentage of the money pot. We designate 'refs' (neutral players) to watch matches to make sure everything is fair and goes smoothly. Think this might be a fun way to make guild spar more competitive and give us something to do during the off season. A cash prize is always nicer than a pixeled hat in my opinion.

If the winning team only gets a percentage of the pot, then this just looks like you trying to develop a get-rich quick scheme on your behalf.

No one would do it because they know there is a high chance certain guilds will just win this as well.

A percentage of the winnings like 1st place gets 75% of the pot and 2nd gets 25% moron. Also I don't think I would run the paypal. I'd like a vote between guild leaders on who is most trusting to deal with the money side and have 'refs' manage the bracket.

I would trust thallen with $5 and him and I don't get along.

No ones going to pay, who honestly would?

I would pay, but their should be a thing where if you win the current tournament 1st, 2nd, 3rd; then you're not allowed to participate in the following tourny. No noob accs, no hacking, nothin to give anyone an unfair advantage; if a player has an obviously large amount of delay or lag then they would be given back their money and dq'ed.

How would you prevent the nub accs? IP detecting wouldn't work so don't even suggest it. An hour requirement?

It's 5 bucks a team..7 people in tourney, 5/7= about 71 cents a person. If you're not willing to part with 71 cents for a fun tournamnet you don't have to participate. I would only assume top talent would go for this. Distorted and Colin you're not competitive players so something like this should be ignored.

I am competitive and now that you cleared up the price thing I'll be glad to participate.

Actually I used to be a pretty competitive sparrer. I used to have like 100-500 stats, then I ended up with like 2000-1900.

Nobody's gonna pay, delete thread.

It's a pretty good idea, just not for graal I think. These things are great for LAN style tournaments, MLG and all that stuff. The only player I would trust with almost a free month of netflix, hulu plus, or spotify would be thallen. Other than him, I would rather have Unixmad do something like this in-game. Where you enter your credit card through the game. It's safer and more legal I think. If something goes wrong, I wouldn't want to be the one involved in the scheme of making a 12-15 year old graalian go and steal their mom's credit card, and make them pay $5 just so they can lose it.

Also if admins had a problem with the money thing then, it could be a gralat pay in, and the reward could be anywhere from a hat to a mount, a specialized gh, furniture, anything.

Double elimination or losers bracket would make the results more legitimate. It would be nice if we could keep it to the more serious players as well, rather than have random guilds sandbag during the whole tournament.

It's not safe at all to give your credit card to Graal:
http://exposestephane.site50.net/uni...ixmad11ol8.png

Serious guilds and serious players would make everything run smoothly.

Jagger mamba (essence)
Thallen (alumni)
ethereal (SNC)
prime (WAR)

Just a few leaders that I'd like involved.

At what point will anyone give their credit card info to graal? And wtf is this scheme ****? Honestly the biggest risk you're running is losing 5 dollars! If someone wants to snake away with 30 bucks I don't think it will be a big hit on anyone's pocket books. Like i said, it would be a Leadership vote on who to trust and if they screw us over and steal our 5 dollars then we don't do it anymore! risk and reward in this is very minor.

Read what I quoted...

nice idea. if u are doing it, pm me. ill record, so it can be left as an evidence.

Good idea, but instead of real money and junk why not have a entry fee of bombs in a farm such as 100-200 bombs for a team? This would make alot more people participate. 1st place gets 75% of the farm, 2nd place gets 25%. This is a great alternitive instead of paying real money to play.

Hey zet you're someone I'd like invloved in a tourney like this maybe even acting as admin of the bracket. Add me to kik its demrow

Here's a website that we can use. http://challonge.com/teams/slx

personaly I dont think anybody will trust anybody with their money like that
Just do it with gralats

I can handle the money. I'm the most trustworthy person on this forum.


I think it's a good idea on paper, but I think it would play out with many problems.
1. Sarah got DQ 2 GST's ago for lagging(she was using the wrong wifi) and that wouldn't be possible with a player made tournament.
2. The player that monitors the spar would have to be someone that is unbiased and understand the difference between delay/lag/acceptable lag/excessive lag(gl finding enough of those in iClassic)
3. If a team wins and then is DQ by the match observer it's going to create a lot of problems.




Your best bet would be to pay fp4 to host the tournaments. 50% of the registration for him and the rest for the winner and runner up. Bragging rights is better than money or a pixel hat.


64 teams x $10 per entry = good chunk of change for 4 hours of hosting.

Gonna do a trial run with no money involved to work out the kinks and get used to the tourney system. If someone is lagging really bad there will an agreed upon rule. If someone is abusing delay or lag they will be banned from the tournament and possibly other future tournaments using a voting process by the leaders. This will be an extremely democratic tournament where majority vote is how things will be decided. This tournament will also start off small with 8 teams.

I think the idea was maybe 10 teams max. Note again that this was intended for the serious players, not just another GST.

Involving money/kinda gambling is a great way to have an entertainment. Also makes people take this serious than maybe just a random tourney.

and like i said 5 bucks a guild is very doable and the risk reward is minor

True story

this thread will end up getting deleted for obvious reasons

keep in mind that this guy has also recently started selling all of his private graphics for real money - to me this all screams that he is hurting for cash

real money and Graal don't mix in the first place, but this guy would sure as hell be the last person I'd trust it with even if it did
that being said, I don't mind if anyone in Alumni wants to jump in and win this, but I'd personally advise against it

It's impossible to like you dude, you're just so negative. I will not be responsible for any of the money. If you read anything in this thread which i'm positive you did not, there will be a neutral agreed upon party that if money does become apart of this tournament people will feel comfortable about knowing this person will act responsibly with it. Regarding my graphics if someone is interested in buying something I put time into that's great. If they don't want too that's fine. That's that.

Don't **** with Thallen man, you'll regret it eventually...

Democratic vote on what gets banned?

inb4 all Alumni banned from every tournament.

Im surprised that US got banned from gst and alumni didnt.
besides we all know how bad the gst admins are. Lags supposed to be a DQ but alumni has never been DQ'd.
So i could only imagine how dodgy a aplayer run one would be.

A guild that lags gets DQ'ed.
Alumni did not get DQ'ed.
Therefore, Alumni does not lag.

Also, I've noticed that a majority of players in guilds that Sparred against Alumni don't complain but it's usually the bystanders doing it.

But anyway, it all depends who's hosting the tournament as it could easily be ran flawlessly given the right people are there to monitor.

*Refers to most recent GST Rules on delaying players*

Ok I see, but I just want to point out that it would have to be 8 or 16 because 10 wouldn't work.

A 8 team bracket would make the tournament easier. Instead of outside monitors, the 6 leaders(not including leaders of the sparring guilds) could watch the matches and vote if someone has excessive lag or other discrepancies.



Players have mentioned an automated GST and it would be cool if they added private gs rooms where players could go in and register their guilds and have the server provide them with an automated tournament(not sure if it's possible, but the gs community might enjoy it) it would require a hoster(can be regular player) to enter the guilds and organize everything. Also adding a chat for all the people in the tournament for easy communication.

I like the chat idea, create certain chat rooms of sorts for GST to talk to friends who are also competing, to talk, ask questions on teams, check up on them etc. I obviously don't see this as a pressing matter but it would be cool.

I played Unholy Nation in the very early 2014. They have tried to add an automated spar for the event, but there were a lot of unexpected glitches occured and they never used it again.
I am not against the idea, hopefully they can resolve the issue and use it on iClassic too. :P

I prefer the term "cheaters", since that's the word used when referring to someone with an unfair advantage. Also @ Thallen's post, I'd trust Demrow with my money personally. He's a man of his word. If you're going to bash on this idea solely to attack Demrow, perhaps you should consider going out side, (weird concept huh?) taking a deep breath, and just think about all of the hobbies you could have spent your time on, instead of making 1900 posts on a forum.

We all know you'll never do that, but just constructive feedback / suggestions for the little men of this world :) your welcome.

You need to look up what an unfair advantage is if you think delay is one. Try sparring with it, get styled on, come back please. If the rules don't state that it's cheating or unfair then it isn't, plain and simple.

Nice man, thanks for sharing. I don't care though. Do it then. What do you want me to say?
You're actually butthurt because I posted my personal opinion and explained why I wouldn't be doing it? LOL

He went out of his way to get several other people to ask me to participate (because I have him blocked on Graal and ignored on here). I posted my feedback. You're mad? Really?

If anything, you should be pretty psyched that I won't be doing it because I'd be taking your allowance. GL!

Damnnn^

Once again Thallen tries to display his superiority by claiming that he can beat someone on a five-button 8+ app store video game. Oh no, I lost on a free app!?!?! Whatever shall I do?!?!? I'm pretty sure most people on this forum just play Graal to pass time but could care less about how good they are on it. Then again, I have to recognize that certain individuals have lack of important things in life, so they focus on graal.

R.I.P Thallen 1970-2014

the feel when you're able to make a dude who isn't even involved in the conversation rage like this
you care about what Thallen says or does, but Thallen doesn't care about you

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordp...rown-tears.jpg

now grace me with another paragraph of anger to further derail the thread, all because I posted an opinion
go on, don't resist and fight your emotions
:'(

this is the most accurate genius thing i have read on this forum in all of 2014 (not including my own posts). there ain't even rage in it, so idk what the old dude is talking about. mysterious "fire surge" person, i am proud of you. don't be expecting any more compliments now. by the way: you should stop posting while you are ahead, or you risk posting something really stupid which is very possible as is demonstrated repeatedly by this forum's community.

I never cared if you personally participated. I asked alumni members to sign up and they all said they had to ask you which they did and you then read nothing about the idea and blew your arrogant load on here. I'd actually really really rather not have you and just have your members participate on another tag, because your someone that causes problems, and your general personality and ego on this game are laughable. This tournament will go on without alumni and or any of its member but would be nice to have winter, dante, mk, aguzo and inevitable in on it because i think that's a good competitive team.

I'm hurt

You seem to have that arrogant attitude too.

Was I out of place in saying this?

Did I offend you?

People read too much into what others say sometimes. I literally stated that I think people would just ban Alumni for various reasons in your tournaments, and you brand that I'm arrogant. People are allowed to disagree and say things they believe, and if in doing so they're called arrogant, then it reveals more about the accuser than the accused.

Anyways back on track. I'm putting up 20 bucks to the winner on December 7th so If you have a competitive team sign up and try and win my money! Anyone else who wants to donate towards the pot contact me, more money makes things more intersting.

Anyone against playing for money I'll just say grown ups play for money children play for pixeled hats. This tournament will also hopefully not be the lag fest GST is and won't be run by graals children. All information on the tourney can be found on challonge.com/graalguildspar

So the full money pot thing is enacted for the first one? Or it's just yours for the first one as a dry run?