1K Hat, injustice ?
 

Hello :D first of all I'm new to this so I present forum:
Aurelien, 15, I live in France with my family.

So I've been in several guilds and especially in 2:
A***** and W *****. (I was stay in the two guilds over 550hours their name will be "anonymous.")
At the end when the leader made ​​the list for the hat, it does not put the most loyal and the most active members but friends x).
So tell me .. what's the point has to stay for several months helping a guild if at the end it does not even reward you with a thank you?
Tell me what you think!
(sorry for my english :'(... very sorry..)

-Aragorn:unsure:

There's no point in making a thread crying about how you didn't get the hat of some hat chaser guild. And to answer your question, no, there is no point because 99% of the time guild leaders will give the hat to friends/girlfriends/boyfriends, so I'm not really surprised when people who actually helped don't get the hat.

Spar better then tower taking
 

I'm not much of a tower guy xD you can see I dont live in my old tower anymore lol

I helped DD(dirty dutch) for their 1k but they gave me no ****,pretty much after that I abandoned tower taking and went to the art of spar! Ya with DD when they had 999 hours they just kicked me and I never got to see who got the hats and of course I didnt -.-
lemme tell u I dont regret abandoning tower taking, although I was really good at it taking towers solo Spar Taught Me Alot of things, much rather use a whistle gst item to annoy my friends then show off one crappy hat


sorry for my spelling

People here really dont like people who's only focus for towering is hats, prepare to get a lot of ****.

a shame really because there is nothing wrong with that way of playing lol

Thank you for having responded to my post.
I do not cry for myself I know you do not tower for a hat (well for some) but a reward does not hurt, even a thank you :).

To be honest you sound fairly new to the towering business, you should have expected something like this to happen. Players tend to do this because they think they have the power, popularity, or right to.. dont let it get to your head and keep towering and you'll eventually get what you worked for.

Thats why you make sure you have a good leader. I gave hats to all of my good members, and I did not give any spot to friends that weren't a big help.

I don't mean to sound rude here, but, nothing productive is going to come out of this.
There isn't/will never be a solution to this problem because that's just how people are.
So all i can say is suck it up and tower with a new 1k guild.

well ppl who are popular on graal often suck inrl and earn $0 and buy iTunes Cards to get gralats then have tons of gralats and make guilds then get famous and get fakebfs/gfs break up after 2 months and then say **** about the other and then live their life on graal

this is the life of some graal players i know

graal is gay
never start playing it

Fanta aka livilover sounds like he got his online heart broken

dont come and cry on the forums when your hat chasing goes unsuccessful.

Just some advice

+rep

sorry you have encountered bad tower guild leaders OP, there are good and fun tower guilds out there though
had a lot of fun with the 5 I was a part of

if you're towering for the sole purpose of getting a hat, then my advice would be to carefully choose a guild that has a mature and responsibile leader with a track record of rewarding people appropriately

25 hat spots.
100+ members will eventually flow through the guild over 1000 hours.
The only members considered for those few hats spots must have stayed in the guild to 1k, and joined so many weeks before 1k.
Even then there will still be more than 25 people who fit that criteria.
And after giving hats to ranked members, only ~15 spots are left for regular members.

"gives hat to friends instead of the most loyal and active." A whiny phrase I see way too much. Its natural for ranked members to be friends of the guild leader. And it is natural for the ranked members to the first on the hat list. For the most part, these leaders and ranked members have been in several other tower guilds before and know how to get their hat, so they arent going to be inactive. It is unfortunate when an inactive ranked member is never kicked and still gets hat, but it is less common.

I had the same problem with Blinded :o

Focus more on towering for the fun of it; making friends, meeting new people and the aspects of helping a guild to reach 1k. If you're going to go into a guild in hope for a 1k hat, and nothing more, then you will have a big shock when it comes to giving out the hats - which you have.
There could of been a few reasons why you didn't get a hat:
-You weren't active enough
-Joined too late
-Not social(This is really important)
-Didn't help as much as other members.
It's no ones fault. It's your fault.

It's always a touching day on the forums when noone is negative on a thread.

let me change that


OP: hahahahaha nub you got played :love:.




BTW classic brings out the worse in people.

Thank you all for your responses, I think now I'll just put myself in pk waiting to find a good leader ;)
See you in game !

dood, you should start your own guild dood.

Solution: quit towering.

the same thing happened to me i used to stay up late and wake up early i quit towering now though and its 1000x better

good luck with that

Thats why dont be a goddam hat chaser.

Join a guild before 100 hours, be friendly, befriend everyone, be active. There is no way the leader wont award you with a hat after that.

Actually in that one guild that happened one time, ryfly and pig party scammed literally everyone in the guild and gave the hats to everyone on ET. Anybody remember what that guild was called?

Then people shouldn't even join guilds where they don't have any connections... Its evident that you won't get a hat if no one knows you. If you're some noob chick with 2k PKS etc etc etc.

Bro, that doesn't have to do with what I am talking about. This guy scammed literally everyone in the guild and gave all the hats to his other "hang out/event" guild that did nothing. I was there xD I forgot the name tho. I think it started with an "I"

EDIT: I just looked it up. It was named wicked xD It goes to show some people can and will completely abuse the system and have no shame

Don't complain unless you had a job to get paid for towering. You may be pissed because you were with them and helped them, but just because you helped them doesn't mean that they will help you back by giving you a hat.

Yes its Wicked i was 600h in --'

You should have started earlier

Surprised that this thread has not been closed yet.

Admins are busy the night after halloween I guess

While that normally would had been true. He still would not have gotten the hat if he started at 100 hours. All of the hats issued went directly to members of ET and not a single regular guild member. Even the guilds perms were cheated out xD

I was there helping them at the time. I told the leader before that i had no interest in the hat. So I wasn't there for it. I was trying to get them to hold off on giving the hat out so they could push towards 5k. That was the plan they told me but obviously it was just a flat out lie.

It was sad watching everybody get cheated out. Most dramatic things ive ever seen on Graal. It wasn't even that dramatic when my guild was stolen by a random guy

Can confirm, helped from 300 hours and Kendama did not give it to his close friends that were asking for the Voyage hat, and gave it to the most deserving.

Ok so my in game name is kirito and over my time spent on graal I have managed to require 6 1k hats , they key to acquires these most of the time is just be active , however if you join a guild with a **** leader chances are if your nt his/her friend and don't lic their ass then you won't get the hat....
Personally your intention to tower is not relevant , hat chasers seem to always be seemed as the downside of guilds when in reality a lot of the times they do most of the guilds job.

Personally out of the 6 1k hats I have squired , in some of the six guilds I did only do it in intention of getting a hat and in some I did it for friends and fun.

So the key things really is get a decent guild with people you get along with and are friends with an be active , or kiss a leaders ass when eve he is online and it does the trick. If you think / know the leader does not like you and your in it for the hat then I suggest you leave cuz chances are you won't get picked!

Finally even of your intention is to just do it for the hat , I do not suggest you reveal this as most 12-16 year old guild leaders do not understand common helping logic and just base their decision on intentions and on lic ass levels


Sorry if there are any major grammar mistakes wrote this in a rush on a bus (on a iPhone ) and didn't have time to check it

This shows you know nothing about what it takes and what goes on behind the scenes man.

Hat chasers show up when you do not even need them. (650+)
True members and people who are really part of the guild showed up randomly for whatever means and liked the guild enough to stay. They became friends, and they helped actually shape the guild.

The people that do most of the work are the people that set the guild on its own two feet when the guild is an underdog and has a weak reputation

That's not true at all, yes some hat chasers join 650 + but that's not all hat chasers but a hat chaser is classed as someone who joined a guild just for the goal of a hat , to a certain extent every member of a 1k guild is a hat chaser if you wanna be technical ! But you can join a guild right from the beginning and be a hat chaser.However being a hat chaser is not a negative thing at all as it's seemed to be , the thing that matters is how much you help and the less troubles you cause.

You must not realize not everybody towers just for a hat.
You really think we all have joined/made guilds for the hat reward?

Do you even realize their was a time where the hats were not a reward and tower taking was still very competitive and active? Or how about CoM, or other 5k and 10k guilds. Why would their members take them all the way to those high numbers if they could just join another 1k hat and get more hats in less time?

Before you tell me what is true and not, actually understand the game first.

At no point did I state everybody towers for a hat , I stated that the intention for YIU to tower does not matter as long as long as your helpful am active , your just opening a new subject which is irrelevant to this conversation which goes to the past when I'm talking about nown ....

Some people are just really greedy :I

What you said was that I was wrong when I told you hat chasers do not account for most of the hard work that goes into a guild. But I have seen your posts before and they are usually ignorant and make no sense. So I don't really care to try to correct you at this point

No , your just being ignorant hat chasers can accound for most of the hard work that goes into a guild and they can also do the opposite , what your trying to describe is like a stereotype for hat chasers in which a lot of the cases is not true.
A hat chaser is someone who joins a guild with the intention if getting a hat only, hat chasers can join at the very beginning of a guild , this does not mean that a hat chaser does not do any work for the guild...
Furthermore you just called me ignorant when you just changed te topic half way through your post as you had no counter argument ... Good job , if you have anything valid to add to this argument/conversation then go ahead

Hats to me are a motive something for members to work for something everyone wants
therefore Hat chasers are simply people who want the hat and often are willing to help you tower for it

I dont tower anymore but it makes no sense
why hate someone who wants to help you for the prize
why should a leader care about what their members motive is if its helping the guild or getting the hat at the same time he is getting his guild more towering hours therefore suceding

Ive lead different styled guilds for about 1 year and for a leader to hate hat chasers is stupid

Too bad you are scrambled and don't even know what you are talking about


Im just gonna leave this here.

To a certain extent every member of a 1k is a hat chaser , it's common sence if they was doing it for absolute fun they wouldn't stop at 1k .... think I know 1k guilds after being a lead in 10 successful ones , unlike you I'm not trying to be a arrogant child that can't acept the simple truth that it dissent matter if your a hat chaser as long as you put effort into helping a guild.

your right. Your not trying to be an arrogant child. Nice one. try that in a business meeting when you disagree with someone

It's not really a disagreement as you've implied that every hat chaser joins at 650+ and are not helpful as if it was fact

Look. I know someone, he won the hat but he started at 800h. And another player join at 300 and won nothing, and they played the same time in the guild.
-_-

Its not about when you join but how much you help , for an example I know a dude who joined a guild at 100 hours but he would aaaalways afk when leader went off and then a dude joined at 600 and ended up getting the hat unlike the other dude , the key is being active and helpful , I hate arrogant people who are in a guild since 100 and you joined at like 300 so they instantly think they are better than you / more important

So?

In Voxel, I had a member who was a really close friend of mine, had even met with them IRL before. She joined at ~150ish, did nothing but chat and stand around, and I included several people on the hat list that joined long after she did, because they did more for the guild. She didn't argue either; she pretty much understood.

It's the leader's discretion to say who deserves the hat and who doesn't. It's not hard to draw conclusions on if someone will screw over their members and give hats to randoms, sell hat spots, etc. As a member, you have your own responsibilities (to yourself) to only join a guild with a mature and fair leader if your intention is to get the hat.