GS × Towering Idea
 

I was towering for fun with Alumni last night, and I was thinking about how very linear and boring the act of brainlessly sitting at the tower was.

What if there was a tower that required you to beat the holding guild in a guild spar to take it? It'd basically be a "king of the hill" system for GS, using the towering system to make it work properly.

The War Room at the Battle Arena is completely unused. You could go into the War Room and queue up to guild spar. The guild that wins is placed at the top of the arena, claiming the "flag," while every other guild waiting to queue into the arena is at the bottom. If the queue is empty, the controlling guild just chills at the flag area and continues to gain tower hours. If a guild comes in to queue, you have to spar them to defend. If you are beaten, the winning team takes the tower and they will then have to defend it vs. guilds in the queue.

Maybe it doesn't have to necessarily be the War Room. Maybe we can add another area to the GS lobby for it to lead to this new room. I'm just throwing out ideas for you to get the picture.

I think it'd be a cool way to make GS more active, interesting, and competitive. It'd also allow spar guilds to have a purpose. Spar guilds won't just be gossiping manchildren who sit around the arena all day. They'll actually be able to do something, function as a guild, and maybe even eventually earn their own 1k hat, 5k hat, or 10k mount? It'd create a bridge between towering and sparring, whereas right now there is only a bridge between towering and PKing. I'd honestly participate in this a lot, and I know many other spar guilds would as well.

I don't know how people would feel about this bleeding into traditional tower scores. Maybe an entirely new system just for this could be made, and instead of counting it by hours (as towers functions), you count it as total guild spar wins. When your guild reaches 10k wins, you get a hat? This format would be much preferred by sparrers, but obviously would require more development vs. a towering system that already exists. Any type of "winner stays on" system would work, regardless of how we measure which guild is the best.

It'd especially be competitive at the start, with every spar guild vying for the first 1k hours or the first 10k wins, whatever the measure is.

I think you are referring to a guild spar room for streaking, would be nice to get items/hats for having a certain amount of wins. They should add a Wins/losses stats to Guild info below/above Fort hours.

That's oversimplifying it a bit, but basically I want a winner-stays-on GS room where guilds who achieve win milestones are rewarded in the same ways that PKers are rewarded for holding towers for hours. In this instance, I'd say 10k wins is the equivalent of traditional towering's 1k hours. Maybe 5k. That isn't up for me to decide.

In terminology that utilizes the current towering system and possibly makes it easier for developers to work with: a tower that is only able to be taken through beating the holding guild in a guild spar.

No offense but I think this idea is stupid. Obviously your guild is going to have more of a advantage over every guild, being better at spar. Plus it loses the idea of a towering community and a sparring community. A gs streak room would be a nice addition. Btw I think you said something about it being similar to king of the hill? They added koth before and it was removed because it sucked.

This idea sounds like it would destroy towering and promote sparring.

what LOL

Sparring and pking are two different things, pking is the main component in a raid. What you are recommending is replacing pk with spar. I LIKED to spar before but when VPN came into the equation, sparring became more of a hassle as opposed to being challenging. Sure you can beat a delayer but only if you have the smarts and tactics. Take for example the battle arena today, for the most part delayers and laggers are boosting off noobs and beating most of the players who have never had the knowledge to win against one. From what i've seen in the past year, most of the old sparrers are gone and the spar arena barely has any legit challenging sparrers. Most of them have been replaced. Now if you were to GS against a whole team of delayers/laggers for a tower, not only would that promote sparring but it would just be completely unfair. I think these two should be kept far from each other because not a lot of people are good at both pking and sparring, especially when delayers are "taking over".

I honestly don't agree with this idea. Guilds like Alumni would clearly have an advantage over every other guild and it kind of ruins the purpose of most towering tactics, such as rushing flag, surrounding flag, defending stairs, defending halls, setting a sub tag to defend in halls, etc. I don't see how this idea at all helps towering. The way I see it, it's basically just promoting guild spar, which isn't a bad idea, but I think you're taking it too far with the whole "having the beat the holding guild to take it." I agree with Craftz: it would pretty much destroy towering because you're taking away so much from towering by adding a guild spar. Towering mainly focuses on attacking the flag or defending the flag, and both of these would be taken away.

Not a lot of people like to guild spar. Some people prefer towering over guild spar. What happens if you completely turn the towering system into a guild spar system? Many people who enjoy towering would probably leave. There would probably also be those seven-eight dominating guilds that will always be hogging a tower (*cough* alumni *cough*) and they probably won't want to recruit anyone who doesn't have a positive spar score.

Almost everyone has experienced some form of towering. It's the second stage in your Graal life, you could say. When you're still a noob, you see towering and your want to get involved and try it out. If towering is forcing you to guild spar, then noobs who are curious about towering probably won't even get to tryout since nobody will recruit them, and if they do happen to get recruited to some kind of noob guild, they're probably be defeated by the current holding guild.

This system is basically just a massive upgrade for sparrers and a very big downfall for current towerers and the current towering system. Hopefully you see why this isn't that great of idea. Guild spar should get more attention, I agree, but not like this.

Agreed with this but completely disagree with the idea.

Some people can't accept they aren't the best at what they do

"Alumni has a clear advantage over other guilds." Are you joking? Look, everyone wants to beat Alumni right? Yes of course. That won't happen by saying "Alumni has an advantage because they're good at spar." The way to topple Alumni is by, oh I don't know, improving at spar and beating them? Something along those lines. And this is being said from someone who has barely been in Alumni, and from someone who has won the GST whilst defeating both Alumni and Mother (the old Mother, with Dante, Mk, Clops, etc.). On towards the idea itself, I would certainly be in favor. As has been mentioned, aside from the GST, and as long as there aren't singles tournaments, spar has very little activity. I think this is a fun fix.

Edit after reading some of the comments fully, which I didn't do before (which wasn't fair to all who may have been offended by my rebuttle):

The goal of this isn't to help bolster the tower community, it's to help bolster the spar community and the activity it has outside of once per season. As far as "This promotes spar while destroying towers" I don't know what to tell you if you honestly see this as a threat to towering on this game. This idea isn't stating that all towers be converted to king of the hill guild spar, I don't know who thought of it that way (or if they can read) but this idea was to add a single room in the battle arena for this system tro be implemented.

Pretty sure no one will join in that much.
Guild spar is dead for the reason you need your friends to be on.
I dont think this will improve more people to spar. Only ones who will try are the sparrers which can be good but it would be Abused in a way.
I don't see this idea ever coming along.

In my opinion, the fact that noone guild spars is what might change if this were implemented. Those are just my thoughts. I feel like I'm too much of a forum warrior, I just got off this thread to see it had been replied to so I had to return lol.

and if more than one guild attacks at a time?

It would be a queing system, so first to que first to get a chance at taking the "tower" so to speak.

How does it destroy the whole towering system? A new tower is added for this and the other towers are kept as they are now. How is this any different from the same "arab, delaying, (insert more salt)" guild holding sards 24/7 until they get 1k hours?

This is a nice idea, but it shouldn't have anything to do with towering.

Heres the thing, if this system IS implemented then there is no incentive to pk or defend. Player killing stat would be removed from players profiles because nobody would care about them. So far i've only seen maybe two or three alumni members in favor of this idea, which is a little weird. I don't see any motivation to tower if a guild of VPN users (not saying alumni) were to multi tower when all their doing is making the "raiding" guild's odds unfavorable.

i understand that i disagree with thallen on a lot of things, but i'm pretty sure that everyone can agree with me here when i say this idea is ******ed.

also funny if you read the names of the only people who actually agreed with it:
hikaru, fulgore, eko.
what do these names have in common? (Alumni)
gtfo.

I don't think you understand, the current towers would stay meaning people would still care about PKing...

I personally love the idea and this is coming from someone who sucks at sparring. If you're going to say the idea is "******ed" at least give a reason.

Right, but im thinking on larger proportions. Meaning if all the towers would be affected, not just one.

This is one tower, possibly a different system, I don't see how it would affect PKing and defending at other towers and cause people to not care about PK stats.

They already did this before though, except you took a tower on how many players you had. Basically it was quantity > quality, they had it on fb server and removed it months later. It was called king of the hill, i thought it was dumb honestly.

Are you ******ed? First of all, read the post, it's about 1 new tower being added, not all of them being replaced - that means if you don't like that tower, you don't go and try to take it.
And secondly, how does the fb KOTH tower have any relation to guild sparring for a tower?

Let's look at the people that disagree:
Comyt, homi
What do they have in common?
(Sage)
gtfo

I tried to provide some sort of feedback that would put the mood to this idea, personally, im not in favor of it. I don't know why you're calling me ******ed when I don't mean to have any relevance to comyt's post. It's kinda funny that you got a little upset over a "weird" remark in my post, sucks but it's truth.


OT: I don't think this idea should be implemented just because "it's boring", towering is supposed to be boring especially when you have to be online for those 1k hours. However if this does happen to get attention by dusty or who ever else, just please make a new tower...

The S in Sage should really be an R.

This idea is great, there is multiple guilds out there that could beat Alumni they aren't gods, it'll bring year round competition to guild sparring,

Also if you think Alumni wants this for an easy hat everyone already knows they could get a 1k guild faster than they could this way and easier so that doesn't make much sense, obviously a spar guild will want new things based around sparring.

Do you mind Alumni take or steal all the towers? (Maybe not at the same time)
Pretty fun for sparers not fun at all for people who take tower with friends.
I don't think this idea will happen in a while.

Again, it isn't affecting any current towers, just adding a new one. Learn to read please. (For those that obviously can't based on their replies)

funny since the entire first page disagreed until i said something then the usual butthurt people-who-know-nothing-about-spar come hating.

funny how eko, blaze, and fulgore all used to talk badly about thallen and (Alumni) when they were in (Deity) and now its turned to relentlessly sucking up to everything he says on the forums (blaze excluded).

funny how eko thinks he's good at sparring too but that's completely unrelated.

will also be extremely funny when this thread derails just because i posted in it and it would be even funnier if this got added.

keep the same towering system, stop trying to change the way things have been on graal for nearly 5 years just to benefit you and your little delaying guild, thallen.

if there's anything that needs to get changed about towering: it's the spawn location of the defenders of sardon's tower.

inb4 huge rage paragraphs, continued sucking up, failed attempts at a clever response, "umad" accusations and the usual unintelligent responses from unknowns.

http://pcbdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/salty.jpg

Again, 1 extra tower. Nothing else changes. Read (I'm sure you can, as you boast of your intelligence constantly).

lol... "inb4... ...'umad' accusations" then this:

watching football, call back later.

Posted on one of Thallen's threads > extreme and relentless sucking up
When did I ever say that I'm good at sparring? Pretty funny to see that coming from that same comyt that got flawed a few gst's ago though.

no idea what you're talking about, pretty funny to see you trying to trash talk other sparrers though when you're absolutely nothing but a terrible idevice who switched to pc and selective sparred. remember that time when a much better (but still horrible) leaderboard was still around and you admitted to selective sparring to #1 spot then point hoarded and finally sparred me and lost basically all of your points? now chill. shouldn't you be asking graal chicks for feet pictures to satisfy your strange fetish?

Yes I admitted to sparring selective for 9500 points, then I decayed of the leaderboard and it was reset. No idea where you're coming up with those fairy tales from.
2bad that your online girlfriend sent me some:)
Also seems like you're still pretty salty from Nadine calling you ugly irl

Guild Sparring is fine the way it is atm. I don't see a point in adding pixel hats/items when we already have the GST for that. I do like the streak room idea though.

Why always trying to change the system? If your bored of how things are maybe ur too old for this ****? I don't see 15 year olds complaining.....

This is pretty cool idea. Turn pk war room to GS streak room and only allow 5v5. How about bring back the old token system? Your guild gets a token each time your team wins and your guild leader can purchase a guild decoration from the shop with guild tokens. To prevent token hoppers, make sure tokens are stored to guild itself (individual can't earn tokens from guild hopping). A strong guilds like Alumni could possibly dominate all day. So set the maximum streak up to 50. This also encourage spar guilds to stick more together as a group. :smile:

FULGORE! watch, im a agree with comet and suck up to him. Pay attention :D


Comet made a post claiming that thallen only suggested things that would benefit him in-game.

The benefit to thallen (be ready to be amazed)

ive seen him say that he has multiple 1k guilds. They can probably hold sardon throughout the day and get 1k regardless.

So hows the idea a benefit? if they can hold it regardless.

1. they dont have to waste time defending attacks
2. it would allow them to chill at the new tower with ease until 1k hrs.
3. the best part is that not tower guild would be able to form a team to beat them. I dont think a team that could beat them would waste their time for a tower.
4. no need for noob recruiting


the benefit in case you missed it, it would make his hat chasing goals much easier. As a matter of fact it would be as easy as afk'ng in the battle arena.




dont mind me, just had some salt left over i needed to get rid of.



now it's your turn to suck up to thallen and rebuttal for him. Dont disappoint him, everything between him and comet is a competition and you wouldnt want comet to have bragging rights over your daddy for having the better ass kisser :D:P:love:.

But theres a lot of sparring guilds that would attack this tower and some can even beat Alumni meaning they can't sit there all day.

If this thread was posted by someone else half of you would lose your arguments, stop focusing on Thallen and focus on the suggestion.

The lack of knowledge here amuses me, I can name over five sparring guilds that would be all over this idea and have the ability to hold real competition if you're going to complain at least have some clue with what's going on.

Also no one here is ass kissing to Thallen they are already Alumni so they have no need for it lmao

I think the idea is pretty solid, but they would need to remove a limit per members to guild spar (or increase it?). For example, if Heaven decides to take the tower from Alumni, they could guild spar with 10 members while Alumni only have 5 members at the tower. If it's just 5vs5 max, then it would be too easy for top sparring guilds to control it for long and I would understand that players do not support this.

1. dont even bs, you were challenged by wiggles repeatedly after he called you a booster since you had high rating and sucked at spar, then you beat him and then finally accepted me and down went your little untalented spar rating. no "fairy tales" involved, don't run from your past and try to create this poser new image now just because you were a nobody on idevice.

2. not my girlfriend.

3. i'm a college freshman and you're commenting on a picture of when i wasn't even a high school freshman yet, do you even realize how sad that is? i mean, omg i better go kill myself you're right.

freak. you aren't clever.

i c where ur comin from but u missed one flaw who wuld b able to beat vg

Merge swamptown spar with battle arena. :)

I think my reasons exposes the flaws in this idea regardless of who posted it, messing with thallen's groupie is just icing on the cake. Why should sparring guilds get special privileges when it comes to towering? If they want to tower they can do it like everyone else. You dont need a GST or a GS tower to challenge other guilds to a spar.


ass kisser :P
i still love you babe ;)


Pinoy

hellz ya! rebz PiNoY 4 lyfe

Please name those 5+ sparring guilds since you're knowledgeable. I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you guild spar almost every day like the rest of the players posting on this thread, you would know that sparring guilds are dead. This idea might be able to revive those inactive sparring guilds for a bit but I don't think it'll make any of those sparring guilds stay active. It would probably just become a phase like CTF, where people were only active the first few weeks of its release date. I kind of agree with Goat on this. What's the point of making Guild Spar like towering? If you want a 1k hat, then work hard for it lol.. Guild spar isn't supposed to be like towering. It's an activity for FUN with your friends, and team mates.

They should just add a streak room for Guild Spar. When a team reaches a certain amount of streak wins, then they'll get something. Since towering gets you pk's and sparring gets you wins/losses, I think it would be nice if the winning team get monetary. Maybe once your team reaches the 10th streak, then you get 500 gralats from it lol. I also like Megan's idea of tokens a lot too. If hats/items & guild activeness are the main points of this thread, then maybe the teams with the most streak wins per week should get tokens. I don't think that the streak system should be based on the teams with the highest streaks for the week though. The most streak wins should be based on how many spars you've done during that time + the average of your streaks for that week ?_? The top team could get 10 tokens, 2nd team could get 5 tokens and then the last team with the top streaks could get 2 tokens for each member that actually did participate/spar during that week(just picking random numbers). Similar to an EC shop, they could have a room with 30ish different hats/items from the shop for 50-100 tokens. And every once in awhile, the staffs should update the shop with a few new hats/items along with the old ones so that players will always be active in Guild Spar. I don't think sparrers care about money/tokens but that's just a suggestion to get more players to participate in guild spar. x)

Tough Crowd!!!

1. Unless you're talking about when I selective sparred up to 9.5k points and made the top 4 names "#lagswitch" then I have no idea what you're talking about (it was probably a huge part of your life if you remember it that clearly).
And my rating was untalented? Damn, I guess you never abused the system, amirite?
Also, when was that? I'm guessing over a year ago when I first started playing on PC? Right... I should kill myself now.

2. Sure man, whatever your heart desires

3.GJ man!!! You reached a part of your life that nearly everyone does, not really something to brag about but here you go again claiming that your life is amazing when it's really not. How old is that pic? Like 3 years max? Sorry I didn't realise that people go over huge life transformations after a few years of sitting at home and playing graal

4. I'm a freak? I'm guessing because of the fetish thing right...? Sucks that one of your best friends, and beloved sage members has one too (tae). Didn't know your Sage guild was made up of a bunch of freaks.

PZ

make a detailed post in suggestion of something that would make iClassic more fun
work, go to the gym, nap, check forums
see 4 pages of arguments started by the same obsessive losers

not even sure what to say about this community anymore

LiA just because they dont GS all day doesn't mean they are dead they just find it useless to spar lower experienced guilds.