Future of Graal
 

What position do you guys think Graal will be in 10-15 years? Do you think it will be able to maintain a growing playercount?

Who knows, it may become a huge hit if things are eventually sorted out correctly. It may even go down the drain. We'll see.

I actually believe that if the entire concept is reorganized from scratch, this game could travel. Else if nothing has happened in the next bit of time, it will die out eventually.

i dont have a clue where its going to be, but i can think of a couple people from now that will still be playing it in 15 years. NO NAMES

Like Crono? :P

if wr can change these ****ty graphics to 2d or something animelooking we can take over the world of otakus and get more followers.this game is 2.5d.

:D:P if rufus' butt is still here in 15 years, you cant count on my bff crono to be here too. :D:P

instigator:P


this is somewhat close

That's a whole lot of misinformed going on in this post.

First off, Graal is 2D. Secondly that image is not 2.5D. It's 2D just like Graal, but with a different style. 2.5D means it's 2D but emulates/incorperates 3D and vice versa. Games like... New Super Mario Bros, Tomba!, Link Between Worlds, and 3DS Cave Story are all examples of some degree of 2.5D.

I don't see why it wouldn't be able to be very successful, but it depends how much effort the staff teams and management are willing to put into their servers (particularly the iOS servers, which have much larger player counts than the PC versions).

Complete and utter failure is my answer. Even though its going great now you never know.

I'm pretty sure someone will **** up, it's inevitable.

As long as the tryhards hold up, we'll be alright.
solo yolo just like good ol times

You guys are too new to make these calls.

In 15 years Graal will probably be dead and gone, not because the game is old, boring, and obsolete, but because the technology is going to be old, boring, and obsolete.

apple has dominated graal with the app store.

hmm.i see ur point.i wonder who did this.its so accurate

looks perfect.

When I was 15, I never expected to be playing when I was 18... when I was 18, I said that about being 20, then 25, now 30... Graal may never die.

Holy crap

I hope it dies.

Rufus had better keep this forum up though so we can chat about it.

What would be amazing if it died on iOS completely and Client actually started to thrive again.

Or we can all pray for both ios and Client to both be still around and popular(ish)

One can only dream.

Since we talking about dreams, all i want is for the ios severs to have access through the client. It would be nice to unite both worlds. theres no need for one platform to die when both can be successful if theyre united.

PC Graal will be 100% dead.

iOS Graal will still be alive, but not as big as it once was

It'd be nice to play bother server-types on both devices, honestly. Such as Era on my tablet and iEra on cliemt without needing staff rights.

i know it wouldnt work with era since era pc is active but merging the servers as one would be cool. classic, zone, and delteria shouldnt be a problem(i think)

lol watch some fool rename graal gweel or some crap like that.

Aww hell naw. Merging is a horrible idea unless you mean merging into Era and not iEra. iEra is horribly balanced with most things doing so little damage. Especially explosives. Then there's jobs, etc.

Technology is rapidly advancing and 2d games are becoming old news. Graal needs some kind of 3d player worlds. This would make it much more interesting, and it's a surprise that fyse already beat them to it.

That could have been said over 10 years ago.

Wouldn't call it a surprise. It was only a matter of time until someone started building their own engine.

But would it have been worth saying? My point is that Fyse is pretty dedicated to this project

I think it would be very hard to merge these two together, but it would be nice if they would found a way to merge and keep both sides happy.


I used merge in regards to classic, zone, and delteria, but I probably used the wrong word. Since their pc versions are dead I was trying to say that their ios versions should replaced them in the pc client. Dont know how hard it would be, but it would be nice.

Yes, why wouldn't it have been? It's almost exactly the same as the first 3D boom. Graal is 2D... 3D games become more popular and more accessible on PC... everyone says "oh man, Graal needs to be 3D or else it will become obsolete!" Now it's repeating the cycle with mobile gaming, as phones evolved and become more technically efficient. The only difference is that back then there was no proper distribution method for Graal so it was hard for it to "break out."

3D games are not automatically superior to 2D games. Graal moving to the 3D realm is not suddenly going to make it 10x more better, and 3D is not automatically more attractive. Graal is doing just fine the way it is, and in fact is probably doing this well because of it taking advantage of a niche corner of the market. If it were to generalize itself and become like all the other games it's suddenly going to be competing with other products that do a much better job at it.

So? Stefan was also pretty dedicated to his 3D versions of Graal... and he ended up with nothing after years of neglecting the 2D version of Graal in favor of the 3D version.

Although I agree a lot with what you're saying, this statement is actually false. He wasn't dedicated enough, and the reason it feel apart so quickly is because he was ignoring suggestions and not working on it. He was more interested in the 2D version.

But who could honestly blame him? His 3D version had so many problems it was almost impossible to work with unless he would rewrite it from scratch.

that GUI design is nice, but would suck on ios. The whole area is to blocking not enough alpha. Your screen size is small as it is.

Hahaha I never looked at kingdoms in a anime style nicely done goat xD

i think ipad would be alright, but ya phone would be too small.

im not big on pc graal, but after my experience with delteria I wouldnt want to play servers like these on my iphone.



:P

one problem would be uploading any paid heads.

I dunno what it'll be like, but if its around for like 15 more years I'll be able to say I've played it for half of my life :D Also God forbid that Graal ever goes 3D, it being a top down 2D game is like, what makes it so unique these days

Or, they move it to the new tech...?

Pls be joking

http://www.graal.net/index.php/Worlds/Graal3D


OT: ya itll be better and more user-friendly

Ripping off Zelda: A Link Between Worlds would be both a natural progression and something I'd want to play.

please make a fun game with cheap guns that's easy to get money.
I'd really like a game that relies on skill rather than guns. Still use guns but just make them like Zone. Also, Make the Guns like Era (If I was in charge a gun with similar stats to M4 or Sten would be the most O.P.) I would make less guns with high ROF but more guns like Aug or High spread guns. I would make a lot less shotguns, considering era players all use PbPs' and Saweds'. Beginner gun would be like f2000 tac.
-the stats, not stolen guns, I know that's frowned upon.

This is Graal. One of the reasons Graal is so popular is because there isn't much more the iPhone can run that is an MMORPG type game and is free and so simple. Its pretty much the same its been for almost 20 years now. If you "adapt" by upgrading, etc. its no longer Graal.

*cough* it's not that great of a feeling. :(

#graalporn

What ya'll need is the desert raven. Best walling gun 2014

It is 2.5D when you're dealing with terrain, actually.

The sprites and whatnot are still flat, but terrain maps themselves are done using a flat surface that has been converted into a wireframe mesh. Problem is, only crazy people like me and a few others take the time to deal with it because 3D in a 2D environment gets really weird and often frustrating.

I wasn't talking about GK :P The post I quoted linked this screenshot:
http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...7&d=1408335687

Which if it is using 3D(like say, Ragnorak Online which is an example of an online MMO that is 2.5D, I think), she could have picked a MUCH better screenshot to illustrate her point.

Yeah, that screenshot didn't show up in your quote of Dawn's post because it was originally an attachment. So my bad for not picking up on that, I guess.

I was mostly just replying to your "Graal is 2D" statement because that's only partly true. Graal in general does have some 3D elements, but they're seldom used since it can get very complicated once you add that extra dimension. Aside from terrain maps, it's also possible to draw polygons as well, though their practical uses are very limited.

The Graal documentation states that 3D elements have been removed. Although after looking through Graal code -- there are 3D initializers, but I couldn't tell you if they actually do anything or not.