The top 100 guilds.
 

Lately with all of the hat chasing guilds popping out of nowhere the top 100 guild list has become less and less of an achievement to be on, which is why I think that changing it to the top 10 would be cool. Just imagine, maybe some of those guilds who originally thought they would stop at 1k would try for 5k so they could be on it, we all know how much people like being on lists after the whole baddy kill leaderboard thing. Thoughts?

The top 100 guilds are soley based on castling? That's a problem.

it's not a bad idea, it's just that I don't see that it'd be very effective
very few "1k guilds" care about being on the leaderboard I think, it's more just about reaching that goal and then getting the hat - I personally don't care much about being visible on the boards with Voxel and SF, they are so glitchy anyway, guilds just randomly disappear sometimes

They should just have a scroll on the list and list all 1k guilds

we knew that since the pk leader board came out :P

people also love being the "first" to do something :D

But even if it didn't don't you think that it would add a whole new sense of accomplishment to going the extra mile rather than just stopping? I just think that it would be a lot cooler to look at a leaderboard with just the top 10 guilds rather than looking at nearly 100 1k guilds.

True enough:P

Then you may as well make it top 10 pk leaderboards and top 10 bk leaderboards and top 10 idevice/pc sparrers. No.

Pk and Bk is different Nanner lmao, I love this idea.

Its not really different at all. There is so many 100k pk people on leaderboards and it will soon be filled with them, just like the guild leaderboard.

Yeah but people PK way past 100k and the competition is still fresh, but with guilds they are stopping.

In other words, 1k will always be the minimum to get on the guild leaderboard, but with PK that minimum increases requiring more of it to be done.

The logic behind this is wrong. If the leaderboard only has 100 places, guilds interested in featuring on it will need to continue because you are going to need to at least have more time accumulated than the 100th entry. This is a continuous process and the bar will always be raised.

I don't think getting one or two minutes higher than the 100th entry is really "raising the bar".

Also, those 100 people in the PK leader board are ranked out of the 2000+ players.

With guilds it is the top 100 out of like what 150-200 that tower? (Let's not forget multiple 1k guilds were lead by the same people instead of just towering in one guild so that alone has already caused a fault in the leader board)

That's why there are 100+ guilds that stopped at 1k, correct? You say that it is a continuous process, but I have seen nothing be changed over the past few years. Also, towering isn't necessarily the same thing as PK. With PK, it only requires one person and you can get a kill within twenty seconds. It takes an hour to get, well, an hour when towering, and it requires more people. PKing only requires one person. The bar isn't being raised, it's still stuck at 1k hours and isn't going up anytime soon. The only thing you need to do to get on the leaderboard is to get a few more hours after 1k. Even if a guild is bumped off the leaderboard, they probably don't care as they've already met their goal and they don't care about the leaderboard. All they care about is the prize.

Yeah, well, this suggestion and its current iteration do nothing to address that. If a guild cares enough to be on the leaderboard it will continue.

Yes but once every guild starts accumulating these "few hours over 1k" then future guilds will have to go on even farther than that to beat that record. This keeps happening over time and the leader board standards will rise.

Keep in mind there will always be guilds that for some reason just want a hat and do not care about the leaderboard. So yeah of course they aren't going to try to strive any higher, they would rather create another guild and rush to 1k again for another hat.

I remember the days when a guild with 50 hours made the leaderboard.

What if it was kept at 100, but in order to enter it you would need a set amount of hours?

It only takes a few hours to bump off a guild that doesn't care if they're on the leaderboard or not to get onto the leaderboard. The only guild I see that is continuing past 1k is Maphasy. So many guilds on the leaderboard are retired/have no intentions on going past 1k. They could care less if they got bumped off or not. Meaning there is hardly a bar to pass to get onto the leaderboard. A bar will raise if guilds constantly try to beat that bar, and right now, no guild is trying to do that.

I'm not sure how to explain it other than the fact that the bar isn't raising because nobody wants to beat that bar, because guilds only care about the hat. Also, guilds are constantly disappearing from the leaderboard, opening up more spots for guilds trying to get to 1k. There are more than 100 1k guilds, yet a guild with 900 something hours is #99 on the leaderboard. As long as guilds keep stopping at 1k and guilds keep disappearing from the leaderboard, the bar will never rise.

The problem is, many guilds today don't, which is why the bar isn't raising. Read above.

1. if a guild continued after 1k, hat chasing guilds shouldn't matter to them.

2. reaching 1k/5k/10k for the sole purpose of getting a hat/mount or being on a leader board are equally lame(IMO), so I dont see how one is better than the other.


let people enjoy the game the way they want and graal will become a better experience.


just remember "the less people you chill with the less bullsh1t you deal with"

graal drama/graal politics = no good

Top 10 is a little extreme... Wouldnt mind it going back to top 50.
(top 10 is so far away from current tower guilds, so there would no motivation for it)

However, I dont think getting on the top [whatever] board is a priority for current tower guilds anyway.

The competition for towers is incredibly fierce nowadays. There isn't much swapping being done with towers, the same recycled guilds sit at their respective home towers with LOADS of hat chasers and it makes it so hard to combat that if you are not equipped with your own army of hat chasers.

This is why I have such a problem with hat chasing guilds, the hat provides them with such a high benefit above normal guilds that are just trying to rank up the leaderboard. It offers something that the actual guilds that care about going past 1k can't really offer. (unless they postpone giving a hat, but still, I am just sick of everything revolving around the stupid pixel reward)

to be honest i dont pay much attention to the towering community, but I thought chasers mainly stayed in Sards because it required minimal effort to hold it. The only chasers I remember were Lanky and his friends.

'friends' lol. I didn't think anyone liked that guy and they just stuck with him for hats.

Lanky was hilarious, always getting stoned in skype calls, 10/10 family entertainment.

hat chaser (hat chāsər) [verbal pronunciation]
noun, informal
a non-offensive insult originating from an intense jealousy or hatred that bad or incapable players have towards other players who are better than them at towering and/or tower in a non-permanent or casual format
synonyms: person who is good at towering, person who doesn't want to tower for a year straight, person with lots of swaggy hats

It won't let me rep you :(

Thallen, I don't see what you aren't comprehending. I have no problem with 1k guilds. Hooray for them. Somebody that makes more than one is what a hat chaser is. Somebody that abuses the tower rewards system. That's why I dislike them.

Is it "abuse" when someone picks Dhalsim in Street Fighter and beats the **** out of you from a full screen away? Is it "abuse" in League of Legends when you constantly pick a champion that is overpowered in the current patch?

No, it absolutely is not, because you are playing the game by the rules that the game has set for you, and everyone else playing the game is able to make that same decision. Should they choose to or not is entirely their own decision.

Here's "abuse" in towering:

• Lagblocking
• Speed hacking and hitting the flag from 100 to 0 in 2 seconds
• Finding a glitch that makes you unhittable and using it to steal towers from guilds

It has absolutely zero negative effect on the game whatsoever when people make a guild, tower with it for 1000 hours, and then make a new one. Literally none. The real question is, why wouldn't you do it? Because you don't want to? Okay, well they do.
That's like me crying about people who spar in the side rooms and pushing for staff to make it a requirement that everyone spar in one room, simply because I don't agree with their choice to only spar bad players. Dude, my ego is pretty big, but I'm not stupid. People can do whatever the hell they want so long as it isn't hurting you or the game.

Not to mention, even if it was in staff's interest to limit how many guilds any particular player can lead to 1k, there's no realistic way to implement that. How are they going to do it from a scripting perspective? Furthermore, why would they?

Agreed!

God you don't understand at all. We all know it doesn't break any of the damn rules, that is why we are trying to have the system changed. We don't like it.

You cannot dictate the forums because you happen to disagree with what people are saying. Everyone has to right to criticize or support hat chasers, because that is us expressing out opinion. Just because you say it doesn't break any rules, it doesn't mean we have to support it.

Nah man, you don't get it.

1. The great minority support any idea to do this, because it makes absolutely no sense. You're taking away something from people that they like, for no reason, and it gives nothing back to the game in return. You know who supports this? People who don't tower right now and wouldn't tower if it did happen. People that are jealous and butthurt for no reason at all.
2. You don't realize that it is literally 100% impossible, from a scripting standpoint, to "limit people to leading only one 1k guild." It is not possible. You simply cannot do it. There are a billion loopholes.

LMAO
I mean, feel free to complain and express your opinion about something that is completely fine and doesn't hurt the game in any way, but just know that you look like babies while doing it. Not a single one of you can make a point towards how these 1k guilds are apparently hurting the game.

"It isn't fair that you guys are doing something that we all have the option of doing, but we choose not to!"
Yeah, good luck!

You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. We don't want to punish hat chasers, we want to eliminate what allows people to milk the system. Bring back real competition to towering. Balance the playing field so it isn't all about just getting a 1k hat. Introduce better rewards. Stop saying it doesn't affect the gameplay because it DOES. How about you try going past 1k without a bunch of hat chasers. Look how hard it has become.

Btw, you must be angry mashing your keyboard, because I have never ever ever ever ever said anything about setting up scripts to limit leaders from leading multiple guilds. wtf are you even talking about

"They are milking the system by doing something that I am able to do, but I choose not to for my own personal reasons."

"Towering is not competitive (an opinion), yet it is as active as it has ever been."

"It's bad for people to want to tower for a hat, because I say it is. Therefore, it is unbalanced."

"Do something that you don't want to do or have to do, because it's how I want people to tower."

"Towering the way I want to tower has become hard because no one who towers right now wants to tower the way that I do. Therefore, the rules should be changed to accommodate me rather than them."

Am I looking at it from the right perspective now?
The worst part of your argument is the fact that nothing is stopping you from towering the way you want to tower right now, but you feel the need to complain about everyone else freely choosing to tower the way that they want to. What is actually wrong with you?

i think the core of that crew was pretty tight(as far as graal standards go). I didnt interact with them, so im not sure.

I never said I was not in a hat chasing guild. I am in Bon Voyage which is a knockoff 1k guild. I hate the fact that I have to do this in order to be on equal grounds as other 1k hat guilds. I feel the fact that a guild is past 1k should not be a handicap, but something that is rewarded.

And chill with the insults, it just makes you look more uptight and no-lifed than you already are. Can't you have a civil debate without throwing out all these vulgar terms and unnecessary jabs?

Pretty sure making the rewards 2.5k,5k,10k would completely get rid of recycled guilds. So it is rather possible from an implementation stand point. Rather than making a new 2.5k guild, they'll just continue their current guild to 5k.

I actually never thought about it like that. I think it would be a great idea to stop guilds from recycling. Didn't some staff member somewhere say it wouldn't be changed though?

I hate this idea out the ass.

This is a good way to get guilds to 5k but the fact that they will just have to do the same amont of hours of getting the first mark is dumb.

The other guilds that hit 5k had to do 4k without a reward for it.
This is why I dont like this way of thinking.

But the system wont work with changing the leader board to 10 or 50. Hat Monkeys will just be Hat Monkeys.

When you think about it, the 2nd 2.5k is more rewarding than the first. Since you only get a PNG hat for the first but a GIF hat for the second. I don't think the 6 or 7 guilds that actually went to 5k should be thought of for an update that will change every other guild.

Surge, that is like 5-6 people running a a marathon, only to find out after they completed it the finish line was reduced for everyone else.

You just don't do that.

How does it affect them? They got 5k already and a hat. And it isn't like the newer guilds have an advantage. They still have to get to 5k.

They are getting the extra reward at 2.5k, these guilds tasked the journey of 5k to symbolize something, now you're trying to take that away, this is the stupidest idea I have heard.

"Let's stop hat chasers by making them get 5k! But make sure to reward them after another 1.5k so they get a hat and don't stop doing it!"

Y'all need to loosen up and start enjoying the damn game, this doesn't affect you at all.

They want it so you have to go to 2.5k take out the 1k thing.

But I still find it stupid to change it to 2.5k

But wouldn't you have one of the most biased opinions out there when it comes to this topic?

I am just like any other leader. Everyone has a say on this but I disagree with this idea.

Colin, what you're saying is really stupid. Current guilds with 1k would need to tower 1.5k more hours to get another hat. CURRENTLY, they can tower 1k hours with a new guild and get another hat.

New guilds would get a the same rewards as old guilds for reaching 5k, just at different intervals.

Why is it stupid?

wait so you want to keep the goal at 1k for a hat and 2.5k a hat as well with 5k and 10k still there

Surge everything that comes out of your mouth is stupid, remember you're the one complaining over a guild system on a pixel game.

yeah, I laughed.

they would still make another 1k guild because it's 500 hours shorter

because that will just make people go to 2.5k and since the better option is to get to 5k we will just have more guilds doing 5k guilds. Because I am sure they wont do 10k

they should just remove 1k or just add a different reward a trophy in thier house.

not change it to 2.5k.

Because if they do this new 2.5k guilds can just rename their 1k crap guild and we would not know and they just end up getting another hat by cheating.

Hmmm never thought of this. But couldn't some kind of script or something be made to prevent the confusion?