Player rules for iZone?
 

I was reading the staff abuse thread and I was just curious if theres an actual place where players can read the rules for playing iZone. By this I mean actual
game play rules not conduct rules.

None nver seen qny

if there are no rules and players do something not allowed without knowing its not allowed why should they get in trouble.

I'm not sure when teaming became a rule though but I'd like to see some rules now.

They get warned... that is it. After being warned and you do it again... well that's your own fault when you get in trouble.

What if the warning is invalid? Staff members often give warnings that have no merit. When theres no set rules everything is left to interpretation.

but for abusing what rule? If its a rule, it has to be written down, otherwise its not a rule. Then people like you will start to make up rules such as teaming in bomb spar.

Well since no on ever knew about the teaming rule, it's pretty clear now there should be a place for this. Everyone thinks teaming is legal because it has always been allowed so you're really gonna need to put it down somewhere.

There never was a rule about teaming. Matt let his ET decide whther they tolerate teaming in events or not, but there was no rule in general and especially for bombspar, it's a lie.

When you open the client you automatically agree to the terms on the graalonline.com website. While you may think that only applies to PC version, it does not. It's blanketed to all versions of Graal. Now in these terms listed on the website, staff receive the right to enforce their own rules. Read it.
http://www.graalonline.com/docs/agreement

"Any GraalOnline administrator and LINUX Cyberjoueurs reserves the right to determine, in its sole discretion, what constitutes generally accepted standards of online behavior and may, without notice and at any time, suspend or terminate your access to the Graal Online System"

You get rules when you start the game on how to play, but not anything else.

Like I said I didnt mean the conduct rules.

"LINUX Cyberjoueurs does not warrant or guarantee that the Graal Services and Information and the functions or services performed by the administration team will be uninterrupted or error-free."

Heres a lil bit more to what you quoted

wtf does that have to do with the in game rules? thats the iron rules that every graal game follows, not zones in game rules.

There are general graal rules but thats it. There is no place where there are rules posted or anything. I have played zone since day one and ive never heard any rule about no teaming. Nor has anyone else. THERE HAS EVEN BEEN TEAMING IN STAFF HOSTED SHOWDOWNS.And i would love to send my complaint about staff abuse to the zone email but guess who reads it? The frigging manager! why would i do that? Id also like to clear up my staff abuse thread.... Everything I said was true. All the details were there. I was there myself and I DO NOT lie. Especially about something like this and being a player from era if you want to know what my hate level for staff abuse is say "jump" on any server. I was not part of this bomb spar team against purplemoon. I was clearly not raging or crying in any way... I expected tashkin to accept what he did wrong, apologize, and everyone move on. But NO once again with staff abuse there is a cover up with some bs lies and not even a sorry. Not 1 sorry from tashkin. Even if it wasnt for his abuse. Something like "Sorry for any misunderstanding." If you read his last post on the thread "Staff Abuse" He sounds very defensive. Now after this idk about the rest you but im certainly keeping both of my eyes on every staff member. Dont think i cant see you while ur in stealth either if youre reading this.

This quote allows admins to make up game rules when they seem fit. So essentially the game rules can change and are at the discretion of the highest admin of the server. So this rule allows izones rules to be whatever the manager wants. They also don't have to tell you what they are either. They should but its not required.

Ok unknown. So this may be of use to tashkin if he didnt screw up his own cover up by claiming its been a rule since day one. So it may be a rule now but it was not clearly stated Anywhere in the universe so obviously this is a cover up... ONCE AGAIN. Suprised? No im playing graal. Where staff can do whatever the fk they want and pull a rule out of their ass to defend themselves after they are exposed to the public.

There are technically no rules though since there not written down, its all made up and any admin can make up some absurd rule whenever they feel like it and enforce it. A great example is spar boosting in era. Theres no clear line if its legal or not, because it wasn't written down.

I just want to point out that I did this thread to discuss the abuse thread.

I dont think ownership is ok with their staff making up rules for the purpose of helping out their friends have a better game play experience.

The fact that tash closed the other thread with the excuse of people raging and not getting their facts straight made it seem like he was hiding something. Him closing the thread the way he did was also abuse of his power. I think he thought he was in the official forums where people can close threads just because it discuses something they did wrong.

He wasn't hiding anything. Teaming has been illegal on many graal servers. I have personally been kicked from events on pc servers for doing so. It wasn't written down anywhere, but its up to the staff member in charge to decide. Now people say staff being able to make up rules is absurd. It's not, its their job to produce content and regulate gameplay. If ownership wasn't confident in their abilities then he would not be in charge in the first place. No where was there staff abuse in this zone issue. He is just trying to make the server enjoyable and teaming is a huge turn off. Take it from a player who has been on both sides of this situation, staff and participant.

from what i hear you don't get warned, you get threatened.

Staff are required to have evidence when warning/banning a player. If they don't have it they get in trouble and we remove the warning/ban from the players record.

There aren't rules posted on any server. Doesn't players get to do whatever they please. It mostly common sense... if it's probably something you shouldn't do then don't do it plain and simple.

As stated in the post quote about. Just because a rule isn't post doesn't mean oh I can go dupe my items since it's not a rule. Or oh them me team with my friend so its basically us boosting off of eachother the whole time. Or let me boost off of my alt account over and over. Seriously you cannot be that naive to think because no rules are posted you get to do whatever you want.

There has always been this rule since before I started. Stop posting your bs to stir up more crap. x.x

If you are getting threatened by a staff member you need to report them for it. x.x

As for you get over yourself... you got a warning and act is if you were banned from the server. I could have banned you for the disgusting way you and your friend were talking to her that day. Guess what I didn't so stop trying to act like you are all innocent and pretending that you are lying. It's a rule and always has been and always will be. You were in a way boosting with your friend by teaming up killing all of the other players until it was just the two of you. So you can continue to put up this front about how innocent you are but in reality you are just trying to do what you please on the server. That isn't going to happen so play the game like it is suppose to be played or you will get in trouble otherwise.

As for the other Staff abusing... if you don't say anything nothing can be done about it. So once again that is your fault for not reporting it. Record your games or take screenshots of the staff abusing and send it to PD or myself. Without proof nothing will be done though.


Regardless, this is why we have a warning system. You get warned for things you aren't suppose to do and if you continue to do so you will be banned.

Ok bs. I was not warned i was coming forward about staff abuse check my records i havent been warned in a looonnngg time. I do not team ever. Im not that kind of player if you knew me im 100% about skill. Call me cocky idgaf but im strongly against p2w or unfair ways to win. I was not 1 of the 2 players who was teaming on your pixelated gf i was just a witness. Hanson and titan were the ones teaming on her not me. I never spoke to purplemoon at all that day. Ask her yourself and why dont you get over yourself? You just went from all star manager from manager covered in dandruff and lies. AS FOR YOU... Showdown and bomb spar has not been here since day 1 so theres no way that rule was ever made on day 1 as it was not even possible to team yet! #staffabuse #Lies/coverup
#playersforthewin



Nuff said. My work here is done. Gg tashkin.

Teaming has been at spars and showdown since day one. I've talked to some staff members who have said they've never even heard of the no-teaming rule. For future reference, Tash, I just think you should make things a bit clearer. I also think that everyone else is making a big deal out of this. The players teaming weren't banned, they were warned, so no harm was really done. I just think this is a big fight over nothing.

I'd rep if I could.

So you weren't actually warned, or the one who was teaming, and you are against teaming. Why did you even bring this topic up. It has literally nothing to do with you, and if it was such a big deal how come the two players who were warned aren't making threads on here complaining? It can't be that big of a deal if they just let it go.

Also, here's what I dont understand. You don't team because you believe in skill. Tashkin warned players for teaming, which is something you said yourself you hate. Shouldnt you be thanking Tashkin? He is enforcing rules that making sparring more skill oriented. Why is this such a big deal when you werent even involved and it actually benefits you?

The point is, he is defending his Internet girlfriend Purple moon, who may or may not be Homelesswitch. Probably is. Anyhow, he is talking about how something that hasn't really ever happened as a problem before, turned into a problem. PurpleMoon obviously complained to Tashkin that the kids were teaming. Not once have I seen teaming regarded as a problem, considering it isn't a glitch or hack, rather a decision that a Player makes.
It only became a problem when it was a problem for PM, because keep in mind, Tashkin released a special event chair for 5 minutes just so she could have one. Spoiled. Kid.

Interesting point of view. This doesnt just involve me. Once again it involves all players because when staff think they can use their powers like this eventually more and more players will encounter staff abuse and it becomes a major issue. Thats why its a big deal. Need an example? Three letters. Id rather not include that word in this and im pretty sure ur smart enough to know what im talking about. Why not take tashkins side since hes actually keeping the game about skill? First of all he made the rule cuz of his pixel gf and they both obviously hate me so theres 1 reason. My main reason is personal and Id rather not share my knowledge because its part of my tactics/strategy. I dont like to share this information with others. Call it bs but i have my resasons. and its not because i hate tashkin and want to destroy his face from the universe or anything like that lol.

"Posting Bull****", really? I don't recall Nico, PD or myself stating that rule, ever. Neither did Matt.
I don't really care if you added the rule because of favoritism or not, or if you just added it ago a week, but it wasn't there "since day 1".

You were warned or whoever you posted for was... you even showed everyone the pm of you being warned. You were given a verbal warning. So yes... you were warned.

Now you are rambling on about a bunch of different not even related to your arguement. You statements are all over the place. You can be mad all you want because of being told not to do something. Simply shows how childish you are and how much you think you can get away with anything you please.


Or like usually just didn't pay attention. The rule has been there since before I started. I never added it. As stated in my previous post teaming is basically boosting so only him and his friend would win. Which is why teaming has never been allowed in those two places. Which is why we patrol those areas. Common sense and actually doing your job and you would know that.

I never said he was

Most players here are saying that they didnt know it was a rule. The way i see it is players should be able to use any strategy to win as long as its not assisted by some cheat engine/hack. If staff dont like the strategy they can figure out a way to prevent it from happening. Classic had alot of problems with peoples strategies in towers and rufus realized it was easier to find a solution than warn players, some examples, horses in towers got removed, door blockers got hit with the push down doors and arrow spammers lost that privilege.

The abuse part can be seen in 3 parts. (This is where people make up their own opinion about the situation)
1. Tash broadcasts a msg to get people into the bomb spar area (according to the witnesses it was so purple moon could eat up some nubs)
2. Purple moon is the Kevin91 of iZone so 2 lesser skilled players decide to team up to beat her. When tash sees this he sticks them and warns them about being banned
3. Tash is acting as purple moons personal spar moderator.

The question is would he do that for me, you, or anyone else that is not his friend?

Then if this purple moon girl is his graal gf it makes the whole incident suspicious.

Personally i think this is just personal issues between tash and rota and each side saw things their way.


Now everyone is going to want to see the evidence against them

Seems like the teaming rule is to prevent boosting. Wouldnt it just be better to give a warning for boosting after gathering evidence that would prove it.

Tash your statement is invalid. People always team up like on me. Everytime i see teamers i dont really care. I just easily kill them up or when I been killed. I never pout or complain to staff because there is no RULE ever posted. Post anything you want abput rule since day 1 but there isn't really there. Im not even aware in teaming because I can just ez them x.x as for PurpleMoon she is complaining bcause she is just a nub who cant accept losing. I accept losing in Spar, bomb spar or even sd. So your statem2nt is just so invalid

If the rules are not really clear and simply left up to discretion (I.e. if you think its bad dont do it,) this will always be the result.

Do the simple thing, quit arguing with them, and have you or someone on your team design a clear set of rules and post them somewhere publicly available (preferrably accessible from in game.

If so many people are willing to come forth and say they never knew about it, then obviously something is wrong, and taking the defense here isn't going to improve their experience.

They want clearly defined rules -- this is not an unreasonable request.

Again, when I was staff (Jan-June), this was no rule. And I don't think I was that inactive pr dumb to not notice it. However, I don't know why you have to be personal and offending now.

You are allowed to have an opinion on how you think the server should be run. e.g. as long as people don't cheat it should be allowed. Unfortunately it's not up to you or any other player. It's up to management. Even if most players don't know about the rule, it's still a rule regardless. Also, whats your advice about coding something to stop teaming without totally making spars annoying? It's not as simple as banning horses for a tower. The only real option is to making sparring 1v1 and that would ruin the challenge of freeforall. You can script things to prevent in game glitches, but it's very difficult to script things that try and change peoples behaviors such as teaming.


1. I haven't seen the image of the PM, but I am assuming he didn't mention her anywhere in it so for all we know he just wanted to generate some action because it was stagnate.

2. I don't know who kevin91 is. Anyway as Rotaruc decribed the two players weren't actually beating her so purplemoon didn't need any help. But when you have two players team you it is very annoying, so I would assume if Tashkin saw this with anyone players he would have done the same thing.

3. Managers are allowed to have friends. So if he is hanging out with a friend and he sees someone break his server rules against his friend or against someone else he is going to do something about it. The only difference is the chances are higher that he helps her out because he is around her more, which isn't staff abuse.

I bet he would if he was around you when it happened.

If there is nothing confirming this then it shouldn't even be brought up, otherwise it's just spreading rumors. If no one knows for sure it shouldn't be included.

First part of message response: LOL Such bullsht. You have no evidence of this and I have 2 abused graalians against your word. Which atm is worth *** right now because of all the lies that keep coming out of you. I was in no way at all invloved with the teaming. I was not verbally warned or warned. I was not sticked or messaged. That message is from hanson and he gave it to me on kik so i could expose you to everyone.

Second part of message: Ohhh so now its "been there since before i started" Lmfao yeah ok. And they were teaming on purplemoon not boosting. WHO TF BOOSTS BOMB SPARS? NEVER in the history or zone have i heard of bomb spar boosters. You dont even get any prizes or gralats for bomb sparring. why would anyone boost? Like wtf tashkin cmon after my last post you'd think that the lies would stop.


Heres my proof that i was not warned and it was hanson & titan that were teaming. and that tashkin is lying. If this isnt enough then think about it? he says both of you will be banned. Why would i need the message sent to me if i was one of the teamers? Because I WASNT.

Every staff member you would ask until this incident claimed teaming was legal. Tashkin's pixelated 36 year old girlfriend gets teamed, and it magically changes. Mhm, seems l3g1t.

Im not here to attack tash or prove that his actions were corrupted. My issue with the whole situation is the way it was handled here in the forums. Graalians is the only place where players are free to praise, rant, vent frustrations about things that happen in-game without being punished for it (As long as it doesnt cross the lines) so when a legit thread is deleted do to conflict of interest its when it starts heading the wrong way. Those actions might be the norm in the official forums but it shouldnt take place here.


Im not saying how the server should be run Im only stating my opinion in one small aspect of the game. For the coding part, Im not a coder so i have no idea. If you actually want to know the answer to that you might want to ask someone like fowlplay.

that's where you are wrong
http://era-go.com/forum/showthread.p...-Jailing-Rules

just can you please stop being a asshole and admit what you did was wrong and we can move on? Because clearly, you have 0 supporters and your defense statements are really bad and invalid. You can't win this fight.
just please, post an apology post and close down the thread NOT DELETE IT that way we can all move on from this bull****.

oh this is good :popcorn:

Anything that keeps the hatemongering out of delteria bugs threads.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ack-butter.jpg

get milkduds too. Milkduds + popcorn = win

delteria is the BF4 of graal. Everyone was super pumped up about it and when it was released, it was almost unplayable thanks to bugs.

Let's see... I could attempt to break up this pointless fight or go watch anime... Cya guys in a few hours. :P

Not posting rules is like making a law and no one even knowing about it. That's why smart people actually wrote them down.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...Teaming&page=2

Teaming has been legal since day 1, even James did it with Marble, and people did it against james in showdown. Domination teamed james, he didn't ban them, he didn't cry, he didn't do it because his useless server hopping gf was mad. it has been legal since day 1

Just apologize and get over it x.x

Just give them an apology already, you're the only one fighting your side right now so obviously you screwed up. This thread could have ended on the first page if you would have just said a simple apology.

Exactly. God damn this is all that tashkin needed to to. "I'm sorry for what I did and It wont happen again" Bam everyone forgets it happened the next week and everythings back to normal. But NOOOOOOO lets make a ton of bullsht up, lie, call others names and try to cover it up. Im not mad at tashkin for this btw i just wont be able to trust him ever again.

Tashkin you utter idiot. I feel you have taken public relations advice from MD

Maybe he's MD in Disguise :0

Omitting my opinion on this matter, even if I agreed with any of you, he wont apologize. He made a decision and is sticking with it. The only time I have seen staff apologize is when they do something really bad and they know it was wrong. This isn't one of those cases and he seems to have made up his mind. /threadclose