PC Sparring
 

now why is it that people that used to suck horribly at spar suddenly get better when the hop on their mom's laptop

People use PCs more and are better using WASD than a touchscreen. And supposedly no lag?

Ya no lag.

because they came from the pc servers, they're experienced.

I have no idea
Is that really an issue?

Rufus' point actually makes sense to me because i can't type well on a keyboard, and I also suck at pc... :0

I suck at pc sparring... And my ipod lags, so basically i can't spar.

I dont think thats it...

Seems like you don't own a destroyed 2G ipod, 5 minute battery life, terrible FPS and haven't experienced the crappy controls.

I'm just more comfortable with PC since that's where I originated from.

The reason PC sparrers (generally) seem to be able to win quite easily is because players on iPods do not anticipate PC player movements. All you have to do is anticipate them, and then they're just as easy to defeat as when they're on their iPod.

The thing I hate most about PC sparring is their ability to stop by holding to keys on the keyboard which allows them to either look like they're lagging, but really not, manuever around players with ease, slide up or down in a straight line, and avoid an incoming sword. Also, they have a giant screen causing lag reduction and better speed in spar then the iDevices. I swear though that some PC sparrers have a longer recovery time from when I hit them before. I always have to wait a couple seconds or my sword goes right through them. Guild sparring also gives them an advantage screen wise, but so does the iPad. Anyways most people who know me know that I hate PC sparring and that I would be the happiest person in the world to see it gone, but I know that's never going to happen.

yea this

They aren't moving faster, nor do they have any special maneuvers iPod players can't use, nor do they have longer recovery. It's just your lag/latency. To any viewer on pc both of you would be going the same speed and both would have same recovery.

go on graal on pc and press right left and up or down at the same time and see what happens

and they do move faster, maybe not a lot, but still any program u run on ipod is gonna run better on pc

Does that really give them that much a advantage? Moving diagonally?

Players on iPod move as if they have a lv3 shield (0.6 tiles a step).
Players on PC move 0.5 or 0.6, depending on their shield.

PC players can also hold down more buttons, which can allow for strafing. (Which is more of an intimidation tactic)

Unsure of the hit detection on iPod, but by default the hit detection is clientside, meaning latency is your shield and sword. (I prefer a 0.3 second delay myself, anything less than that generally results in both people getting hit at the same time).

The lazy triggeraction methods are different, instead of a target "running into you", you have to nail them on your screen for them to get damaged (regardless of what they see).

lol

Yeah it does actually. They can get around the player easier and make themselves look cornered, but pull off that trick.

get better on iphone. simple as that

As long as PC is around, I don't think that's possible.

100% possible

Not for some people. Not everyone can tolerate sparring anymore ever since the PC was introduced. There are always loads of complaints from people about it. I'm surprised it's not only aloud on the Facebook server like they do for the guild spar tourneys.

There isn't really any difference. Playerworlds was around of like a decade beofore the mobile apps, so people have had that much longer to perfect their sparring, and feel more comfortable with PC.

There is a major difference control and screen wise.

QFT

I've just been sparring for the last few hours and there does seem to be an increase in laggy people sparring.

The only extra screen you see is the chairs on PC in the battle arena....

I remember Tort and Zeromus would intentionally run torrents and modem tap during spars to create a sporadic lag that only they would be used to sparring in (Ie: swing and run around randomly). :P

In guild spar that screen is very useful.

Slightly usefull, guildsparring is usually just 5 1v1s... The only time it will come into use is when a member is coming in to 'gank' or double team... You can still see that coming on ipods anyways.

You can also see when a teammate is in trouble or if someone is slacking off on the wall you get to see an opportunity to hit them.

All I read is cry baby bogus who cares like nite said get better on iPhone and there won't be a problem.Jesus

It is still the same game, right? Whether you play on an iPod or a computer, you have to hit the other person without them hitting you. The way I see it, as long as you are familiar with the device you use, you should do fine. Improvement with experience and a little bit of focus.

I saw a discussion about an advantage in guild sparring because of the larger screen. Everything has a price. The price I pay while on my computer is distraction. I often see other people walk by, talk, sparring other guild mates, running in circles or some stupid distraction that diverts my attention from my task. On my iPod, I can very clearly focus on my player and the opponent. However, I will not be able to see the distance I can on the computer.

Obviously there are both advantages and disadvantages pertaining to the device you choose to use. Why complain about it and give yourself the false satisfaction of a silly excuse? To me, it makes you weak and loses respect. Spar with what you are more comfortable with.

I see people aren't seeing my point. iPhone people aren't on the same playing field as PC. As long as PC has things we can't do, it's not the same playing field. We can't run up in a straight line or run in one spot without moving with the controls or even have the same screen size. As for the distractions of other people, iPhone sparrers have to deal with that as well when going near a wall to attack another player or just going there in guild spar. The statement "Just get better on iPhone" doesn't fit what I'm trying to say. It's not about getting better. It's about equal rights for sparrers. As long as one device can do something another can't, it's not really fair.

Get better then. Try PC, notice how similar it is then QQ.

Giant screen means more things to load. I mean, even I tend to lag when I'm using a PC that runs perfectly fine on Minecraft and other games. Just 'sayin...

How? everything in the room is loaded on both devices.

I noticed the only people defending this are the people that use the PC. I'm just waisting my time trying to get to people so I'm pretty much done. I have tried PC to see what all the fuss was about and yes it has advantages that iPhone doesn't which I think isn't really fair.

I noticed that most iPhone players cry about almost everything its the same thing it's not our fault if we originated from pc and are comfortable with the controls already or if some prefer it than the crappy d pad the itouch has.Or maybe people use PC cause they still got a cracked 2g itouch (Yes this includes me) want my advice?Stop complaining about how much an advantage we supposedly have and get better plain and simple.

Lol Gambit you sparred on the iPod too once. And if your PC broke you'd be stuck with it. I don't see why the PC is aloud on an app that is for an iDevice. Last I checked the PC wasn't an iDevice. All you guys keep saying "get better". That's not how things work. What if admins starting sparring with 20 health. What are we supposed to do? Get better? I don't think so. The complaints will stop if the PC sparring is moved just to the Facebook server where it's supposed to be. I don't think it should be aloud at all, but if they're going to allow it, at least put it only on the Facebook server.

Only allowing it on the facebook server is a great idea! It would make the facebook server have more players online if all the PC sparrers went there to spar. It's litterally a win win situation, they should do this.

Holy crap that actually sounds like a good idea.

You cry a lot.

Yeah I don't really complain when I used to use my ****ty 2g when I used to spar staff for hats.I eventually got better with in time and beat them.I just see most people who are good at spar complain cause they get owned at something they are good at.And this shouldn't make you complain on how "unfair" it is if anything it should motivate you more to get ALOT better.

Nothing wrong with stating my opinion.

I can see the tears in your opinion.

I make some valid points. If you choose to not accept them then that's your choice. I know you use PC too so I wouldn't expect you to go against it.

You can run up can't you? And who says you can't stand still and wait for an opponent in a spar? no actual advantage, the person is still in the same place. Don't even say it looks like lag, because lag is unpredictable and unfair.
Cannot be brought into this.

When I spar on my iPod, I tend to spar more offensively. As long as I can dodge their defense, I can get a hit in without them facing my direction. Learn what works for you. You can't spar everyone the same way. Everyone is different, adapt to it.

I think you know as well as I do when people lag really bad when they're running they look like they're running in one spot and not moving on a persons screen. This is just annoying me. You guys aren't getting the whole run in a straight line thing. We can't do it. Yeah we can run, but so can you, but we can't run up in a straight line. If we can't do it why should PC be able to do it? You honestly don't know how irritating it is when people do that in spar.