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Eldon 07-22-2013 11:21 PM

GST signups and Guild spar !
 
Guild Spar Tournament signups have started as well as the guild spar rooms being added! Just a little update for those who arent online.

Thallen 07-22-2013 11:26 PM

kewl

Ash Ketchum 07-23-2013 12:43 AM

**** IM AT SCHOOL

GOAT 07-23-2013 01:37 AM

**** IM AT ASHES HOUSE

iHot 07-23-2013 01:55 AM

Yes!!! FINALLY MY LIFE HAS MEANING!!

twilit 07-23-2013 02:24 AM

Why do you people check Graalians at school and at Ash's house?

I was guild sparring and then all of the sudden the queue stops and no ones in the arena... after several minutes the room clears out and goes to the right guild spar room. Then the door to the left room was gone :0

lol i like how the new guild spar room in battle arena is underground. gives a whole new meaning to "spar cave"

Rufus 07-23-2013 03:18 PM

The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

Blueh 07-23-2013 03:27 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

WHy hasn't this been done for 1k hats? X.x

GOAT 07-23-2013 03:38 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team.

Thats unnecessary people should be able to decide how they enjoy the game.

And Blueh stfu noob

PumaD 07-23-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

lolwat

fallchild 07-23-2013 03:55 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 390967)
Thats unnecessary people should be able to decide how they enjoy the game.

Developers should be able to decide how to handle balancing issues.

Take a look at it from the perspective of the top sparring names grouping into a guild just for the tournament. They're most likely going to dominate most other teams. In light of overall fun...I'd rather party at a sausage fest.

PumaD 07-23-2013 03:58 PM

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Posted by fallchild (Post 390977)
Developers should be able to decide how to handle balancing issues.

Take a look at it from the perspective of the top sparring names grouping into a guild just for the tournament. They're most likely going to dominate most other teams. In light of overall fun...I'd rather party at a sausage fest.

So having skills is being unfair?

People should have the freedom to join whatever they want, whenever they want.

fallchild 07-23-2013 04:10 PM

Of course not. I think your mind is on a different playing field.

We're talking about Guild Sparring, pitting guilds against each other. Not teams. Essentially you'd be stripping away the difference if you can just band together solely for the tournament.

Also, I didn't see a mention saying that you can't join whatever they want whenever they want...just a statement saying there will be a time lapse you must be a member to participate in the GST.

Rufus 07-23-2013 04:14 PM

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Posted by fallchild (Post 390985)
We're talking about Guild Sparring, pitting guilds against each other. Not teams.

This is all that needed to be said really. It is a guild sparring tournament.

Blueh 07-23-2013 04:23 PM

The rule shouldn't even be a problem if you've had all this time to prepare for the GST in advance. This way you can't just kick people for another member at the last minute which really isn't all that fair to those who just want to play for fun instead of worrying about being replaced by better sparrers. If you think that it's unfair since you and your guild aren't great sparers, well... There's a place called Master Li's where you can improve or if you're confident enough to take on better players you can hit up the Battle Arena. It's what these things are here for.

meganey98 07-23-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

Post this on news after this GST.
Hehe I was in Earth since January! :smile:

-Albus 07-23-2013 05:33 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 390967)
Thats unnecessary people should be able to decide how they enjoy the game.

I'm guessing the goal would be to make the GST more guild oriented.

Thallen 07-23-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

100% progressive and positive change to the tournament and guilds overall.

Rexx 07-23-2013 06:15 PM

Its obviously a conspiracy to help US win!

fallchild 07-23-2013 08:46 PM

Obviously.

GOAT 07-23-2013 11:32 PM

I want to start by saying a couple things. 1. I strongly dislike noobs that do teams just for the gst. 2. I also dislike noobs that were recruited for the purpose of the gst and then talk smack about the new super spar teams like if they were any better. Saying all this I don’t believe there should be restriction implemented into the gst for the purpose of preventing this.
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Posted by fallchild (Post 390977)
Take a look at it from the perspective of the top sparring names grouping into a guild just for the tournament. They're most likely going to dominate most other teams. In light of overall fun...I'd rather party at a sausage fest.

That’s how it currently works and nobody has dominated the gst.
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Posted by fallchild (Post 390977)
Developers should be able to decide how to handle balancing issues.

They should also make decisions based on the possible improvements towards the server and not let their personal bias make the decisions.

Take xenix 1k hat. Someone allowed them to edit a hat that was never sold as their guild hat. That sets the precedence for future guilds to do the same thing. Take the original honor point hats, why shouldn’t future guilds be allowed to used them or a edit version of it?
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Posted by -Albus (Post 391023)
I'm guessing the goal would be to make the GST more guild oriented.

I don’t see how they want to try to distinguish guild spar with team spar. I don’t think an event that allows only 7 out of the 25 members to participate could be considered guild oriented. Looks more like a way to prevent competition and semi-enforce guild loyalty.

The fact that a prize is given to the winner, makes the GST all about the competition without restrictions, unless its PED, and if people only do it for fun there shouldn’t be a problem with super spar teams.

A way to make the GST guild oriented would be by getting rid of the prize and letting people compete for bragging rights. Where at least 10 different members would have to participate. That would make it more about the guild than the “team”

PumaD 07-24-2013 12:12 AM

GOAT just owned you all seriously, for the first time. I hope he keeps this attitude now.

Ash Ketchum 07-24-2013 12:15 AM

More paragraphs are koomin

P1 07-24-2013 02:02 AM

Agree with GOAT and PumaD on their points so I'm not gonna repeat them.
I just feel that last minute guilds are part of the GST experience they make it hectic, fun and dramatic. Having been in a last minute GST guild I found it to be one of my better GST experiences because no one expects you to get anywhere there's no arguing or bickering with whose a better guildsparrer. Also with there being so many last minute GST teams they seem to make up the majority of the teams in the GST with this new rule you'd be getting about 10 teams entering.

I just see that if you implement these plans it will reduce the level of competition drastically which would be a huge disappointment after seeing its level increase every GST.

twilit 07-24-2013 02:11 AM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 390954)
The GST after this one will most likely be revised quite a lot. For example, you will need to have been in a guild for a certain length of time in order to be a part of their team. Posting this now so that when it is introduced people can't really claim I've done it in response to something I disliked about this coming tournament or something stupid like that.

Does this mean the guild system will be changed by late October? :0

I see what youre doing here, and I mostly support it. But the teams that are pieced together last minute is what switched up GSTs. If every team had the same people every GST, the outcome with will be the same which is rather boring.

Thallen 07-24-2013 02:44 AM

point of the GST is to prove which guild is better at sparring, not to see what group of people can throw together a team at the least minute because they decided they like one of the GST hats or because they desperately need validation on Graal and want a statue that no one is going to care about

you guys act like this is some drastic change
just start your corny GST-hopping drama a month early next GST instead of waiting last minute and you'll be fine

taylor 07-24-2013 03:52 AM

good luck, have fun, be safe, i love you

Winter 07-24-2013 04:20 AM

I'd rather see 10 guilds enter the GST than 40 last-minute teams. Rufus' idea may be just what the server needs to completely revive the competitive guild system. That really adds to the fun of the game. Guild loyalty and competition is much more entertaining than seeing who can find the best group of 7 players every season.

PumaD 07-24-2013 10:06 AM

The point of the GST is fun I believe, not to show loyality and/or respect or whatever you on, and most of people are thinking winning = fun.

Oh, and it's not about the "seven best players", it's about team-work, nub.

Rufus 07-24-2013 12:41 PM

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Posted by twilit (Post 391221)
Does this mean the guild system will be changed by late October? :0

Potentially, but this and that are not entirely related.

Crono 07-24-2013 02:10 PM

itt ppl with no real guilds complaining

Winter 07-24-2013 04:07 PM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 391378)
The point of the GST is fun I believe, not to show loyality and/or respect or whatever you on, and most of people are thinking winning = fun.

Oh, and it's not about the "seven best players", it's about team-work, nub.

The guild system is really abused. The point of the GST was to pit guilds against each other to find the winner, and we are addressing the fact that most GST entries are groups of players quickly tossed together in an attempt to win, not actual guilds that act as a team all year-round. I think you may misunderstand. Are you saying the GST is not fun?

My "seven best players" statement hinted at the fact that dozens of GST entries are thrown together only for the GST. Statistically, they hardly know how to work with the team they are put in. A real guild stays together and doesn't jump into another "guild" for GST, and therefore has all year long to learn how to work as a team. This is the main reason for the winners of every GST winning.

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Posted by Crono (Post 391430)
itt ppl with no real guilds complaining

Truth...

GOAT 07-24-2013 08:16 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 391240)
point of the GST is to prove which guild is better at sparring, not to see what group of people can throw together a team at the last minute because they decided they like one of the GST hats or because they desperately need validation on Graal and want a statue that no one is going to care about

the point of the GST is whatever the individual person thinks it is. If there is a place where it specifies the point of the iClassic GST pls post the link.
last time I checked my gst team it said ‘VIEW TEAM” not view guild
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Posted by Winter (Post 391278)
I'd rather see 10 guilds enter the GST than 40 last-minute teams.

Holding an event for 70 people on a server that has over 2k players compared to 448? If guilds want to prove/show that they’re the best spar guild they can do it through the guild spar leader board. They can also hold their 10 guild spar tournament on their own. Well 8 or 16 cause 10 wouldn’t work.
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Posted by Winter (Post 391278)
Rufus' idea may be just what the server needs to completely revive the competitive guild system. That really adds to the fun of the game. Guild loyalty and competition is much more entertaining than seeing who can find the best group of 7 players every season.

Im all for guild loyalty and competition but this is not the way to do it. iClassic will have guild loyalty when people are restricted to 2 guilds so it affects all aspects of the game and not just the gst.
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Posted by Crono (Post 391430)
itt ppl with no real guilds complaining

Couple things
1. who’s complaining?
2. ill say a couple guilds I think are real guilds that compete in the gst and tell me if anyone here is associated with them.
Lanky and his takaii guys
Jerry Michael and their friends
Charm
Pinoy
Venture
These are some of the guilds that been together in the iClassic server before the gst showed up. These guys could actually say they gst for fun or guild pride and not for being tryhards.
3. people that cry about super spar teams are the ones complaining and not the ones saying this idea is bad
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Posted by Winter (Post 391461)
The guild system is really abused. The point of the GST was to pit guilds against each other to find the winner, and we are addressing the fact that most GST entries are groups of players quickly tossed together in an attempt to win, not actual guilds that act as a team all year-round. I think you may misunderstand. Are you saying the GST is not fun?

My "seven best players" statement hinted at the fact that dozens of GST entries are thrown together only for the GST. Statistically, they hardly know how to work with the team they are put in. A real guild stays together and doesn't jump into another "guild" for GST, and therefore has all year long to learn how to work as a team. This is the main reason for the winners of every GST winning.

If classic really wants this to be “guild oriented” they have to come up with a better solution. So im a give my solution. Instead of having a 7 member team, have the guild as a whole. When matches start people would get chosen randomly so everyone in the guild would have a chance to spar. I know its hard to do with 25 but they can set a minimum requirement of players needed (10). This would be a more realistically way of deciding the best spar guild. If you win a gst with 5 guys it doesn’t make you the best spar guild, just means you were able to recruit the best team for a guild spar.

Thallen 07-24-2013 09:02 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 391568)
last time I checked my gst team it said ‘VIEW TEAM” not view guild

whoooa, SICK logic bro

it is now illegal to park your car on a driveway because it is called a driveway
racecar spelled backwards is racecar
cockroach can live a week without its head
holy macaroni

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Posted by Crono (Post 391430)
itt ppl with no real guilds complaining

ya dude
same story, different thread

people who never spar complaining about sparrers
people with no guilds complaining about the Guild Spar Tournament structure

this community
pretty sure the administration is beyond their subhuman level of thinking so the right decision will be made in the end
that feel when you're an emotional and nervous guild-hopping pleb who will now have to commit to an actual team

Arann 07-24-2013 09:14 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 391568)
the point of the GST is whatever the individual person thinks it is. If there is a place where it specifies the point of the iClassic GST pls post the link.
last time I checked my gst team it said ‘VIEW TEAM” not view guild

Holding an event for 70 people on a server that has over 2k players compared to 448? If guilds want to prove/show that they’re the best spar guild they can do it through the guild spar leader board. They can also hold their 10 guild spar tournament on their own. Well 8 or 16 cause 10 wouldn’t work.

Im all for guild loyalty and competition but this is not the way to do it. iClassic will have guild loyalty when people are restricted to 2 guilds so it affects all aspects of the game and not just the gst.

Couple things
1. who’s complaining?
2. ill say a couple guilds I think are real guilds that compete in the gst and tell me if anyone here is associated with them.
Lanky and his takaii guys
Jerry Michael and their friends
Charm
Pinoy
Venture
These are some of the guilds that been together in the iClassic server before the gst showed up. These guys could actually say they gst for fun or guild pride and not for being tryhards.
3. people that cry about super spar teams are the ones complaining and not the ones saying this idea is bad

If classic really wants this to be “guild oriented” they have to come up with a better solution. So im a give my solution. Instead of having a 7 member team, have the guild as a whole. When matches start people would get chosen randomly so everyone in the guild would have a chance to spar. I know its hard to do with 25 but they can set a minimum requirement of players needed (10). This would be a more realistically way of deciding the best spar guild. If you win a gst with 5 guys it doesn’t make you the best spar guild, just means you were able to recruit the best team for a guild spar.

First of all, TL;DR.

Second of all:

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Posted by GOAT (Post 391568)
last time I checked my gst team it said ‘VIEW TEAM” not view guild

Last time I checked GST stood for Guild Spar Tourney, hence "GST", tryhard/10. Cya nerd.

Admiral 07-24-2013 09:57 PM

Guild Spar Tournament. Nuffsaid.

Ash Ketchum 07-24-2013 10:46 PM

Guild spar tournament

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Posted by Reece (Post 391602)
Guild Spar Tournament. Nuffsaid.

I second that!

Blueh 07-24-2013 10:57 PM

Guild Spar Tournament.

#Trending

Winter 07-25-2013 01:10 AM

sorry, tl;dr GOAT's post, i understand how someone can oppose the idea and i can't go against someone's opinion. i agree the idea is odd, but i would like to see the guild system revived. it has kind of been abused lately, and it hasn't been fun.

GOAT's last sentence was right on par, though.

Thallen 07-25-2013 01:12 AM

singles tournament pls

PumaD 07-25-2013 02:35 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 391676)
singles tournament pls

better server first plez

The only thing I dislike about this idea is that you can't do a last minute change likefor example my schedule changed one day before the GST starts, and all other people of my guild have a GST already. Who could replace me? And ya, the last minute teams mainly, too. This could be nice if the guilds weren't limited to 25 members, however I think everyone should decide for him/her/itself.

Ash Ketchum 07-25-2013 03:45 AM

BETTER SERVER STEFAN

twilit 07-25-2013 05:02 AM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 391414)
Potentially, but this and that are not entirely related.

I see. Hm well "potentially" is a hopeful word :)

GOAT 07-25-2013 05:51 AM

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Posted by Winter (Post 391674)
sorry, tl;dr GOAT's post, i understand how someone can oppose the idea and i can't go against someone's opinion. i agree the idea is odd, but i would like to see the guild system revived. it has kind of been abused lately, and it hasn't been fun.
GOAT's last sentence was right on par, though.

When all these loser noobs tl;dr me its ok well cause theyre nobodies BUT when you do it, crushes my little heart. The one time I make a post where im not tryhard raging mode you TL;DR ;’(
And it was filled with wow moments
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Posted by Thallen (Post 391240)
point of the GST is to prove which guild is better at sparring, not to see what group of people can throw together a team at the least minute because they decided they like one of the GST hats or because they desperately need validation on Graal and want a statue that no one is going to care about

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Posted by Thallen (Post 391676)
singles tournament pls

Yes pls, old man needs to validate himself since hes the only “pro sparer” without a GST Belt
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Posted by Thallen (Post 391584)
whoooa, SICK logic bro

If youre to sta sta sta stooped to understand the logic just ask me nicely and I will explain it in thallens terms.
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Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 391621)
Guild spar tournament
I second that!

Its on like donkey kong noob. Better start writing your will.

Ash Ketchum 07-25-2013 06:18 AM

COME THEN GOAT LETS GO IM GOING HAM

GOAT 07-25-2013 06:26 AM

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Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 391823)
COME THEN GOAT LETS GO IM GOING HAM

Gary “madafn” Oak Always Tickles Horny Ash’s Mangina

ladies and gentleman the winner by 1st round ko GOATTTTTTTT
lol burned beeash I ALWAYS WIN baby :love::love::love::love:

Thallen 07-26-2013 06:22 AM

the whole system should be remodeled
you shouldn't be able to tower or guild spar for a guild until you've been on the roster for 24-48 hours and you shouldn't be able to GST unless you've been in the guild for a week (would even stretch it to two if possible)

it makes zero sense that there are guilds asking individuals to "help them get their score up" for the GST
that completely defies the point of the seeding altogether, so why even incorporate it

the system right now depends on guild leaders to actually have integrity and unfortunately the server is full of ***** guild leaders who are afraid to tower or enter tournaments with their core group members (because they probably lack the required loyalty and confidence anyway), so they resort to doing whatever is necessary to have a shot at winning
that's not a guild, that's just a group of bums



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Posted by GOAT (Post 391813)
Yes pls, old man needs to validate himself

there's nothing left that this old man can do in singles sparring that can validate me any more than what has already been done and no one of a respectable and informed opinion would question that
a singles tournament would be cool


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