Put all heads and graphics on the site that violate copyrights here in this thread, help end http://www.soulslayer-graal.info by putting all stolen work on the site in this thread so I can include it in my reply.

http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/ani...uman?nggpage=2

Piplup head from Pokemon.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...nic/piplup.jpg

Exactly who did you contact to get that reply?

Seaking head from Pokemon.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y6KWvpIx5y...0/seaking.jpeg

http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/animalnon-human

You'll find out soon enough. We gave you more than enough time to change

It funny how you guys are posting pokemon heads that are copyrighted (by the pokemon creator) and using as ur defence

Are you stupid? These are from your site and we are allowed to post them on forums on our posts. We're not even doing anything that's violating copyright material, you are.

Send the results to me in a message guys, loose crow here is gonna try to delete all the ones you post in the thread to try to stop us from putting a end to this graphic-thief-haven of a site.

Technically all of the heads, bodies, etc. on the website are stolen as Graal ultimately owns them. I mean, yeah, we think of all the players owning their own heads, and it is obviously socially unacceptable for others to take another person's head, but legally, all content uploaded to Graal servers is the property of GraalOnline, therefore all heads, bodies, shields, swords, and hats uploaded to that site are stolen.

I'm not actually too good with this legal stuff, but here is the End User License Agreement that may or may not help you. (Can who knows more about this come and post please?)

Here is the "Rules for Playerworlds" posted by Bell on the main forums that can probably help you. (See below)

Link to the pages on the site that use the stolen images, send links to the GraalOnline documents, making notes on which part is the most important, and I think you'll be good to go.

Tyler, I don't actually think the Pokemon heads count because they're not the actual heads being ripped. Dusty's posted a lot on these forums about how that doesn't break any copyright laws because it's just a redrawn version of the same head. (I think, can you please clarify)

These are not suppose to be in game and is the up loaders fult not ours we are just distributing graphics not promoting theft

You could have just changed to only put up graphics that you asked the creators for permission to post. If the owner hasn't given you permission to share the graphic, you shouldn't post it on your site. We told you to change. You ignored us. Now we take action.

Lol distributing copyrighted stuff is illegal. So you are distributing copyrighted material to in-game players to use and upload so therefore you are at fault.

if Graal claims all heads/bodies/etc that are uploaded as their property
then YOU are stealing them (through iFile or ssh'ing) and REDISTRIBUTING them by putting them on your site.


is that difficult for you to comprehend?

They're being uploaded to Graal and Graal is making money off it without the companys permission.

It's not the uploaders fault that you guys made a site where you put tons of graphics up without permission from the owners. You made a site with everyones work, you put it up without their consent, and now thieves use your site. You took guides and other things from players, and basically you and soulslayer have been horrible to other players. I don't care if its illegal. I care if its immoral. If I need to find illegal problems with the site to get it taken down then do be it.

Also a note to moderators. If something happens to this thread while I'm gone and you need to close it for some reason, please lock it, not delete, that way I can go and get the links on here later and include them in the email, preparing the rough draft and waiting for the other email about soulslayer-graal.info to be responded to,

You seriously didn't understand my point, what I was trying to say was the uploaders allowed copyrighted pokemon characters to be uploaded on graal, thats copyrighinfingment nothing to do with us. And you guys blaming on us. It's the up loaders fault.

We respect all creations, we try to remove any copyrighted materials that the graal up loaders may have missed.
We ACCEPT removal request ( ur lucky)
Please read this
http://soulslayer-graal.info/disclaimer

STOP THE FLAMING

(Applies to Graal aswell)

Woah, they let them upload copyrighted heads on Classic? In Era, they will get rejected if someone tried to upload it. Stefan's so paranoid about copyright that he changes the tiles but lets Pokemon customs pass. He's gotta get his priorities straight.

You don't understand their point. The customs are owned by GRAAL not you. Does it give you the right to distribute them? I think not. In fact, it is against the law to distribute copyrighted material.
In response to you blaming this on the uploaders. They do not know everything, some may not play pokemon so they haven't the faintest idea on what the uploaded head is from, as far as they know, its original.

http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/wp-...784565-107.png
Koopalings. I think it was at about page 6 at males heads (forgot to look at the page number)

You don't get it do you? It's not the pokemon heads and such that we care about. We are just using those copyright violations and such to get your site taken down.

Ive said it once and I'll say it again. Your site has graphics from tons of players, you didn't ask the owners of the graphics for permission to upload it. We don't want our stuff on the site. No one does. Ask people if they want their graphics posted on the site, if they say yes then do it, if not, you can't have it on your site. Your site is a haven for graphic thieves and you take content from players without permission. We asked and asked. You ignored us. You brought this upon yourself. It is your own ignorance that is to blame.

To everyone else, keep up the good work, send all evidence of copyright infringement to me in a message do we v

Hearing sonic's voice for the first time in years makes me feel weird inside.

That statement in bold is absolute bull. If you respected the creations you would not post them on the site. We shouldn't have to look for the custom and feedback all this detailed information about it just to get it removed. It shouldn't be up there in the first place.

Seems like you guys missed something. Actually you ask before you take something instead of taking something and getting the people to contact YOU! You want to offer the service so YOU should take the work of asking people, instead of getting hated and just taking some stuff till people will request to remove their artwork.

If you guys think soulslayer is bad I know like 2 or 3 other websites that have waaaaaay more customs that were stolen...

Post them so we can hate them.

Name them.

You guys seem to be missing the point on what that e-mail is asking for. Fan art of heads are not applicable here. Heads that you have made (that you, by default, own the copyrights for) are the only angle you could take this in, but you'd need proof that you created the head. The people that run the site seem more than happy to take the content down upon request though, so I don't think this is going to get very far.

Copyright hinges on the question of ownership of an original piece of work, in this case, graphics. Copyright becomes immediately effective on the creation of the original work, without the creator even registering to protect his work or anything similar. It is already protected by copyright, which means the copyright belongs to the original creator.
Because of this, the original creator has the exclusive right to prevent any third party from doing any of the following:

- Copying the original piece of work
- Present copies of the piece of work to the public
- Making an adaption of the original work

The one I have highlighted in bold is the one Soulslayer is currently breaching, as he is uploading pieces of copyrighted work onto a public website for others to download and edit further, breaching the copyright even more than it already has been.
So, I'm sorry to say Loose Crow, you and your fellow administrators on www.soulslayer-graal.info are indeed breaching copyright, and so you must remove the work.
If you want to keep doing this, please find every creator for each artwork you have uploaded and ask for their permission to do so, otherwise, like I said, you're breaching copyright.

Also, if you're a little skeptical about the whole "copyright on creation" idea, then just know that GraalOnline owns the images as they have been uploaded onto Graal with the owner's consent (in one way or another), and that they now own them.

Actually I have been wondering about that. At the PC version I can agree with that, because usually you had to read that license agreement. But for the iServers there is nothing anywhere. Not at the uploading information webside nor in the game.

Wow Loose Crow you would get the copyright images removed. You suck.

GraalOnline owns all of the heads we upload, they said. So, if we get a copy of that somewhere and e-mail that to SoulSlayer, we would be able to get it shut down.

If you give it to me I'll respond to the email with it.

I have no idea where it might be. I'm sure some PC players might know.

Let's arrest Loose Crow for his ****ty grammar instead!

I've yet to see any agreement between Graalonline and the idevice players that gives Graalonline ownership of the uploads of the players. If there is such a thing it should be displayed in an obvious place and also at:
http://loginera1.graalonline.com:8080/submit.html
and
http://loginclassic1.graalonline.com:8080/submit.html
Otherwise, it could easily be argued that the players still own the content because they never were able to see such a thing.

In any case, the uploads are either property of the players, or graalonline. You need to realize that both you and CloudFlare are in fact, breaching copyright law because you are paying them for services. Arguably, you would not be paying them if you did want to host said content.

Also, directly from the CloudFlare terms of service:
You might as well get started removing the images and other copyrighted content now, rather than have forced downtime on your website while you fix things.

Ooh, you've done your homework. :P

..... Nice argument. So, for lack of better words... Yea, what he said.

Just like I said :) good to know that I didn´t miss anything.

How did you obtain the files you share on your website? Did you receive them via an email from the owners/creators of every individual image? Or did you use an illegal method, such as jailbreaking your iPod, and using iFile to steal the files from within the game folders and files?

Most likely the second option.

http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/wp-...784565-107.png

What's his face who is the leader of Koopalings on Graal PC made this head for me :P

Uhhh you are now the leader? Good to know since I sometimes do set the tag but noones there xD. Dunno the name lol

Riffmetal: Lemmy Koopa -leader- (Koopalings)

No didn't shimmy make all of the Koopalings heads?

That is Shimmy.

Honestly why do you go through all the trouble and take the time to upload all these files and run these sites?

I'm not going to preach to you about how you should spend your time but I'd find a new hobby.

shimmy, yes he made it

and no i'm not the leader o_o