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So as I am scrolling down my news feed on Facebook I see "GraalOnline Classic posted a question - should the swamp guild spar be moved into the battle arena". Surprisingly, to me, there were far more yes then no votes. I have no problem with this but to me this is what I see.

Swamp will have even less things to do, and will be more on the way to dead content.
Graal City will attract more players, become even laggier. Why add things to Graal City? I try to avoid it, due to the already present lag.

But that isn't the reason I'm posting this. We haven't seen real updates on a long time in classic. The last time we saw a new building was multiple months ago. When new shops do come out... overpriced. So, my idea is that if Swamp GS is moved, it will be replaced with a new shop... but not a **** shop where one item is 10,000 gralats. Said shop should have every item inside being sold for 1,000-3,000 gralats. Not too cheap, Not too expensive.

If other people support this, I will create all of the levels for this shop and email them to Classic.

Have fun :),
Surge

How is what was done with Nexus not a real update?

Also I don't get where people say Classic is overpriced. Compared to iEra, Classic's prices are a walk in the park. And you know what? The server is being pressured because Era is pulling in more money than Classic because Era can get away with selling a single gun for 400,000 gralats. And in the end, that makes Era a pay2play server while you're never forced to pay a lot on Classic to compete. Yet here we are, with Unixmad wondering why Classic isn't getting the same sort of revenue as Era, yet players still whining that stuff is too expensive.

Thank you :D.

yah,

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nope.

nope.

nope.

Giant blob boss and farming will always keep Swamptown active. The guild spar will be INSIDE battle arena; there wont be any more players in graal city than before. Nexus. a few hatz. Railroad will be done... sooner or later.

Save the walrus by not complaining...

I agree with OP that moving guild spar to Graal City is a bad idea, it's already overcrowded as is. Stuff should be spread out between cities/towns so that people actually have a reason to go to them.

Unlike classic, updates in era aren't artifices. They have updates that doesn't involve spending 50k gralats.

Ya sure, Classic's gift shop system for Christmas was great but can we have an update where people can enjoy without spending 20$? like d00de, that scarf quest was a big waste of time. We all got tricked into spending 3k on a bunny hat.

In contrast, era's Christmas update was far more enjoyable. Both free and paid to players benefited because it didn't require any in-apps purchases to be bought. Plus they had a ****ing sword. TWO ****ing swords AND an elf hat for free.

Admit it d00de. Most of Classic's updates are phony schemes to trick us into spending cash. When was the last update that benefited free players? by free players, i mean people who don't have customization.


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Easter chicken doesn't count cause that **** was hard. Good update though. IMO, you d00dez have done a fair job but i just had to disagree when you said that classic is cheaper than era.

Btw in reply to your comment about 400k guns, they have guns at the starting price of 600gralats.... The starting price for 2p mounts is 30k. How is that cheaper d00de? they're not forcing their players to spend 30k...the 400k gun is only an option.

Sorry, but the goal here is actually to make money. I know it's hard to hear but under it all there needs to be an incentive to spend money. No one is forcing you to buy a hat, or buy furniture or buy presents, but that's the goal. Things like bug catching and such are all able to be done with relatively little investment.

How is a 2-player mount in ANY way comparible to the starting gun? Haha...
2-player mounts are an accessory. They are not needed at all for gameplay and are mostly for players who want to spend that kind of money to be cooler than other players.

On Classic you start out with a sword, bomb and bow. Everything you need to play competitively. You can now refill ammo for free via cutting bushes and such as well. You don't have to repair anything, you don't have to pay for better guns/ammo to keep up with what other players have. You don't have to pay for more health or armor or anything... You are on a level playing field with all other players.

The fact of the matter the most expensive thing you could apparently find on Classic is an optional 2-player mount that really doesn't effect gameplay much. You can tell me it's more expensive to play Classic when you have to pay 500,000 for a level 2 sword that you need to repair every day.

d00de, you said that era was a pay2play server. I was just opposing your statement by saying that every update in classic is a money making scheme which makes it relatively similar to era.

Pay2play implies that while the game is free you need to pay to stay competitive. Pay2pay might not definitely be exactly what Era is but it's definitely way more expensive to be competitive on Era than it is on Classic(you don't have to pay at all to PK/spar on Classic). Almost all cost in Classic is from a cosmetic standpoint, which means you don't have to pay to play Classic... just to dress up.

FYI, they provide more than just starter guns. They allow free players to wear hats.

k d00de this is my logic:

Starting price of 2p mounts:

30k
50k
100k

starting price of guns:

600g
1k
3k
5k
15k
20k
45k
65k
100k

I know 2p mount is optional but wtf d00de 30k? A regular player in era can buy a whole arsenal of bombs, arrows, guns and a ferari with that sh*t.

Again, a 2-player mount is in no way comparable to competitive items/weapons. Even if it costs a lot, it's just an item for players to show off. In the end though, nice 100k weapon you have at the end of that list.

So you're saying I can download Era and with the starter equipment be on a level playing field as someone who has spent money on the game? Because the point Dusty is making is that nearly everything you buy on Classic is to play dress up or show off. The stuff you buy on Era makes you stronger than other players, and will give you an advantage over someone who doesn't spend money on the game.

only if your name is GOAT

Nah actually i was trying to argue that everything in era is relatively cheaper. You make it sound like Classic offers more privileges to free players than in Era. For what its worth, spending $100 on era is far more enjoyable.

BTW, exactly my point. Hats on classic doesn't offer any good content/benefits so why such high prices if they're not worth it?

I think Fire Surge described his opinion very specific in his view.
Reducing hat prices aren't our decision, but reminding admins that price of a hat is expensive isn't a bad argue. In my opinion, regular hat price must be 2500 gralat. So it's equivalent to $1 in US dollar. If you are comparing Classic to Era, that's completely wrong. Classic is classic, era is era. Classic has a unique community that supports the game, era has a amazing contents that holds the community.
Fire Surge I think your paragraph explains enough when you said "Swamp will have less things to do." Overall I completely agree and support your idea. I want to remind the iClassic Level Developers to put more variety activities that we can do with friends. Something like chess game, more quests, dungeons and the mystery of underwater worlds. Just finish up what you guys were trying to make.
Additionally add a fresh themes to each towns. Make us feel like "we are in the fantasy world!" :P
I just love iClassic so much!! That's why I take your argue seriously! Please do not feel offended by this paragraph! :love:

Do you know why? Cheap guns are trash. When I was new I bought two uzis, it's not even a cheapest gun, but It still can't handle a person in spar who has m4.
AK 47 is the gun I saw that can kill someone by your own.
Then I bought m4 for 55k which is ridiculous amount of money. In addition if you want to adjust the amount bullets you want to shoot, you have to pay extra 45k in to your m4. So this sounds crazy to become a pro in era.

I understand that 2 player mounts are expensive, but making money in era sounds easy? Nope! That's your dream! I spent hour by hour digging and killing crabs every 30 seconds. Feared people stealing my shells!!
No jobs in era is easier than classic quest in York town that requires you to collect ONLY 75 pyrats patches and earn 1000 gralats for a day!
Some facts, some opinion. I hope this argument change your mind. :blush:

*sifts through gralats in wallets* Hmph. Not bad.

Actually a hat on era is about 1000-4000 and classic its like 3000-6000 and on era you get what you pay for, on classic theres only one sword, so the only things you buy is new looks because a green horse works just as good as a black one, and a red hat works as good as a blue one, and a red phoenix does absolutely nothing just like a pumpkin.

A pbp works better than an ak-47, a katana works better than a machete, a car works better than a skateboard, and so on

Exactly! Nice point! Classic is all equal, rich to poor, pro to newb.
Era is pay to win, so everything is different.

i had an AK47 and i was fine. I had to adjust to a much better gun though so i bought an adaptive rifle for 15k. My only concern was not being able to afford the "death revive" and "unlimited ammo"..which was like 12k?

I started doing the daily quests to earn income but it wasn't enough because i only earned about 6k in an 1 hour? ya that much moneyz. I was like "oshieettt cash money heroeezzz"

i thought 1 hour of hard labor was totally worth it for 6k then one of my broz told me about the random mushrooms that are worth like 100-200 per yield. I eventually harvested mushrooms worth around 15k.. i didn't know where they were sold so they remained stacked in my inventory.

Took me 2 days to harvest 20k worth of mushrooms and trash (the 20k excludes the income i earned from the delivery quest and shells i dug up which equates to around 6k). I spent probably a maximum of 3 hrs a day scavenging. I know it seems a lot but 3 hrs of farming in Graal is only 6k.

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Your shells only get stolen if you let them stay out in the sand for more than 5 minutes.

Just want to point out a few things

1.idk y ppl say there is a 2p mount thats 30k the cheapest one is the rhino which is 40k. I don't understand why you would essentially have to pay $40 Merican to get enough gralats to buy the mount. It would take a long while to save that much not worth it imo.

2.I agree with dusty how classic is set up so its even for all players across the board. However like Meganey said It would be great if the admins finished the promised content they started. It really bugs me sometimes that classic is more about cosmetic looks then actually game play content. As a kid who grew up playing Loz I see sooo much more potential for this game,but it seems like to me the admins act as if they are limited on being able to add content which I don't understand.

3.As I have complained about many time I don't agree with hat updates every other week. Some of the hats I don't like at all some I really like,but After paying 4-5k then seeing at least half of classic wearing the same hat I don't feel as good about buying the hat. Maybe 1 hat update a month would be better with 4-5 hats of varying prices would be better.

4.The thing I was surprised I didn't see mentioned in the other posts is one of the major differences in era and classic. JOBS. era has jobs to help you earn money while in classic you have to do A mini quest everyday,farm,catch bugs,or have a maze/code shop. I don't play era enough to know whither or not doing a job gets you gralats faster than you can make them on classic.

Imo without buying a gralat pack or 2 it's very hard to save up gralats in classic. specially if your a newer player that wants to get the items that the older players all ready have. Then there are the biweekly hat updates and the random nexus/revolution openings with several rooms of items. I just think the balance of getting gralats vs the item prices isn't right. What I'm saying is imo most ppl would be happier if there was faster way to earn a little bit more gralats then the prices would be fine.

Yes i know you can do maze/codeshops for easier gralats. IMO it takes 10k to get one set up and will take a little while to earn back what you spent to set it up and make profit.

If you can make 6k in an hour, I think every probably bought bar, pbp and good melees by now. I don't know where or what you did, but I harvested mushrooms and trash for 3 hours and only made 1.8k.
In classic you may start with pyrat quest in the york town takes like 5 minutes with a mount, and after the pyrat quest you can start hunting bugs in anywhere. They are randomly spawned, but I hunt bugs in onnet forest for one hour and made 1k.

Plus I got shells stolen often because I already got disconnected several times in era while I was digging up and when I got back on (right away) my shells are all taken by other players. I find this pretty annoying. While classic works fine at all time. :\

Stop comparing iClassic to iEra, it's all different.

You just admitted that they are comparable by calling them 'different'.

I know they're comparable, but at least compare them on another thread?

Because, this thread is about supporting Fire Surge's idea or not, not about what game is easier to gain money.

Make quests.pay cash for quests. there you go unixmad.

Someone tell iEra to stop stealing content from iClassic, thxs

No dear, that would be called "contrast."

In Classic, you pay 2500/4500 for a cheap horse, 2000 for a lantern, shovel and net are FREE. Theres nothing else you NEED to buy to play the game; the rest is vanity. It really isnt hard to save money in Classic: Step 1: Get Teh Gralats: Do Pyrat Quest first thing you log on. Instead of AFKing in GraalCity with pervy advertisements, get off your ass and farm. Step 2: Save Teh Gralats: Only buy stuff that youll use/wear often enough for its worth. If you waste all your gralats on hatz you never wear, thats a dollar in Stefans wallet, youre fault.
I used to be able to keep at least 100k gralats at any time... until recently i have been blowing gralats on furniture.

Just to be clear here, I am almost certain it is 100x easier to make gralats in Era than it is in Classic. You can be a Postman, make pizza, dig shells. It adds diversity to the gameplay, that Classic really doesn't have, so iEra can afford to make things a tad more expensive. In iClassic it used to be fairly easy to make gralats, but now you have to spend your entire afternoon trying to make 2k.

Was that the one where players mashed the glove button at the fountain in the starting park? It's a shame classic can't deliver such high quality entertainment like that.

Not meaning to be rude, but compare it to the bomb customs you can buy then. If I remember correctly, last year's valentine day had a bomb custom that was 8k. It only expanded the range by about a 4 tile horizontal and vertical diameter, but still the same damage. Comparing this to an 8k era gun, Era players get the most value for pking out of spending $2.99 on a graal server.

I'm not seeing it at all, scriptwise there are no bombs that function differently than default, at least from what I'm gathering looking at the scripts. Different bomb types are merely visual.

I was buying bombs for nothing!? Oh well, you learn something new everyday.

The most I could assume reading the scripts is that custom bombs generate random small explosions in addition to the standard +. However, there's only 2 and they're very small, and don't occur outside of the default range. You might get an extra grass/bush cut or two from it, but it's not really a big advantage at all, imo.

http://puu.sh/3Fyaf.png

The word 'compare' can go either way.

I don't think you understand the point of iClassic. As said before you don't need to spend hundreds of money or hours to get good at the game. Pretty much everything on classic is is to show off, with a few exceptions. Classic is also so much easier starting of compared it era too, unless you're rich.

I was only buying them because I thought they bombed on more space when farming...

Technically they do, because of the additional smaller explosions. The easiest way to determine if they bomb more when farming is to place it in swamp town(as close to the center of a swamp grass as possible). A default bomb will cut a clear +. The custom bombs will probably cut a few more pieces, but I just don't think those additional explosions really justify the suggestion that you can buy yourself an advantage over other players.

Ty for the info :D nice to know that it wasn't a waste buying the custom bomb!

I wouldn't call that an advantage over other players. For the most part it just helps you get a little extra out of your farm.

No. The one you're talking about is their equivalent of Santa's workshop in classic. They had two quests..the elf quest and the ice sword quest.

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ALSO, THEY HAD ICE SKATING SHOES. LIKE WTF, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THESE KIND OF THINGS INSTEAD OF HATS ? :angry::angry::angry::angry:

Nope, but they should make a tag team spar to replace the PC room in the Battle Arena. Guild sparring is so lame and boring.

^^^wrong thread yo.

wait. WAIT. DONT TELL ME YOU BOUGHT A TON OF MOUNTS THINKING THEY HAD DIFFERENT POWERS AND MYSTICAL ABILITIES TOO?

Haha lol no. But technically 1p mounts and 2p mounts have different powers and abilities?

Free stuff Imprint. Free stuff. I think he's trying to say that Era gives new players a chance.