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iHot 07-07-2013 01:16 PM

Era needs more decent low budget guns.
 
As of now I am using an M4. I got the M4 for free when crabs dropped them. Currently the M4 is priced at a whopping 55000 gralats. Era is to much p2w. What Era needs is more price friendly guns. I'm talking about guns below 10k that don't suck ass.

poorface 07-07-2013 02:45 PM

The two Fourth of July guns are amazing for their prices.

5hift 07-07-2013 03:37 PM

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Posted by poorface (Post 382522)
The two Fourth of July guns are amazing for their prices.

For their price...

iHot 07-07-2013 03:53 PM

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Posted by poorface (Post 382522)
The two Fourth of July guns are amazing for their prices.

I bought the pistol. It sucks.

Skill 07-07-2013 04:29 PM

I agree, I don't like the path Era has taken.

Back at release all of the guns were cheap, and they all were used for various reasons.

The ak-47 was used for its accuracy and high damage(7). It could auto fire. $2500
Uzis were used for being super fast at firing and mobility. Like $500 a piece.
Shotguns were used for high spread. Like $500 each. I loved sparring with these.


Every gun had situational uses and was good(except maybe $250 handgun and starter pistol). Weapons didn't rust and it was actually about tactical choice than which is the best.

Ghettoicedtea 07-07-2013 04:49 PM

AUG, glock, mp40, tachi scorpion, M16, famas, m416, Muzi, G36, pl9, shotguns, m3, Osiris, AP7, MK23, ACR, steampunk, m1 carbine, Desert Eagles, and K180s. All decent starters

5hift 07-07-2013 04:57 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 382551)
AUG, glock, mp40, tachi scorpion, M16, famas, m416, Muzi, G36, pl9, shotguns, m3, Osiris, AP7, MK23, ACR, steampunk, m1 carbine, Desert Eagles, and K180s. All decent starters

Muzi? Oh right. Maccus-Uzis. Hehe I see.

BabyGhost 07-07-2013 05:01 PM

Ammo Mart was probably the most recent gun shop with guns that are amazing for their prices.

Vladamir Blackthorne 07-07-2013 05:21 PM

It sorta was the staff's choice to price guns so high, I really don't understand why they basically want the server to be p2w. I also am tired of their attitude about OP guns needing ridiculous prices, it fixes nothing and limits the guns to Pay2Winners and people without lives so they can shell for months straight (and then they call people with lives lazy for not having all the time in the world...)

Ghettoicedtea 07-07-2013 07:54 PM

admins will do nothing about OP guns, what do they do instead? make pointless shops, with hats, female bodies, and melees. They have all the time for that yet they don't have enough time to change a gun stats. Also more recently, the GA's have time to change the PBP sfx, AUG and famas ganis gfx and sfx yet not the time to balance weapons. fkin era

BEH0LD iTz SAM 07-08-2013 01:24 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 382634)
admins will do nothing about OP guns, what do they do instead? make pointless shops, with hats, female bodies, and melees. They have all the time for that yet they don't have enough time to change a gun stats. Also more recently, the GA's have time to change the PBP sfx, AUG and famas ganis gfx and sfx yet not the time to balance weapons. fkin era

Sorry mate but i wasn't the one who decided to bring in the bar, pbp, and shipka all ranged over 100k. You cant sit here complaining that we're not nerfing them because we want to keep the game p2w its because if i was to go out an nerf the bar right now, youd probably see 300 new accounts made on era-go tomorrow of people whining for refunds saying that we "scammed them". Personally i don't even think the bar is op, over priced of anything, i rarely find it a problem when i base or spar, i have it and i don't even use it because i prefer to use the neo rifle or the aug. The only gun i find OP at the moment is the PBP but what more can we do to fix it. We've nerfed the fire rate, the damage, the hit registration, any more and people will be asking for it to be buffed again. We can't remove the stacked damage because theres half for and against.

Also would you rather we didn't update existing guns since it seems to "ruin the game for you" because we're busy trying to improve small aspects of the game for others.

Honestly I'm almost sick of reading your posts, everyone of them is about you.

Crag 07-08-2013 02:20 AM

*sigh*

I loved Era on launch, and I really hope Zone doesn't go further down the p2w route like Era has.

Vladamir Blackthorne 07-08-2013 03:34 AM

It's p2w why I'm wanting Delteria out soon .-.

As soon as Delteria is out, even though it'll be on Facebook...

Goodbye Era, you always sucked

Level27 07-08-2013 04:10 AM

Pay2win lol

Ghettoicedtea 07-08-2013 04:16 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 382776)
Sorry mate but i wasn't the one who decided to bring in the bar, pbp, and shipka all ranged over 100k. You cant sit here complaining that we're not nerfing them because we want to keep the game p2w its because if i was to go out an nerf the bar right now, youd probably see 300 new accounts made on era-go tomorrow of people whining for refunds saying that we "scammed them". Personally i don't even think the bar is op, over priced of anything, i rarely find it a problem when i base or spar, i have it and i don't even use it because i prefer to use the neo rifle or the aug. The only gun i find OP at the moment is the PBP but what more can we do to fix it. We've nerfed the fire rate, the damage, the hit registration, any more and people will be asking for it to be buffed again. We can't remove the stacked damage because theres half for and against.

Also would you rather we didn't update existing guns since it seems to "ruin the game for you" because we're busy trying to improve small aspects of the game for others.

Honestly I'm almost sick of reading your posts, everyone of them is about you.

No the bar is not OP you freakin ******, and i have accepted p2w a long time ago. Just what really pissed me off is when admins decided to nerf jobs really making the game p2w. whats OP is the shotguns. Its not rocket science to just get rid of stacked damage and make the freeze rate a equivelent of a shipkia. It would still top the shipkia because of those 4 bullets and the spread.
Also dont add hit registration timer, it does absolutly nothing, just nerf the ROF.

I honestly think you dont have the balls to nerf the shotgun for that reason of ERMAGERD ERA SCAMMED ME BY NERFING PBP cry cry cry. GIMEH MEH REFUND OR I QUIT.

Grow some goddamn balls and go against authority if its for the better of the people.

iHot 07-08-2013 05:03 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 382551)
AUG, glock, mp40, tachi scorpion, M16, famas, m416, Muzi, G36, pl9, shotguns, m3, Osiris, AP7, MK23, ACR, steampunk, m1 carbine, Desert Eagles, and K180s. All decent starters

A lot of the guns you mentioned are 10k+ you see I don't consider that cheap. What I consider cheap is 5k-7.5k anything else to me isn't even worth it.

Billy 07-09-2013 02:08 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 382536)
I bought the pistols. I suck with them.

Well practice makes perfect.

Edward 07-09-2013 03:02 AM

Arguing over what guns are OP and what isn't, isn't going to help anything guys. iHot was stating an opinion, no need to bash on him Sam. I'm not on either side, im here saying not to start anything pointless. Arguing gets threads deleted. Lets keep things on topic please.

Rather I should say he was suggesting.

iHot 07-09-2013 07:19 AM

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Posted by Billy (Post 383339)
Well practice makes perfect.

How the hell do I practice??

Myst 07-09-2013 07:30 AM

lol there should be a default gun and everyone has it, it should do the same damage this would dispel pay2win mostly.

Kenny* 07-09-2013 08:28 AM

like classics sword just a 8 dam gun but then wat about all the itunes

xander 07-09-2013 09:38 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 383578)
How the hell do I practice??

well obviously, you study how the gun works and keep using it.


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Posted by Myst (Post 383588)
lol there should be a default gun and everyone has it, it should do the same damage this would dispel pay2win mostly.


starter guns

ZigZag44 07-09-2013 03:03 PM

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Posted by xander (Post 383656)
well obviously, you study how the gun works and keep using it.





starter guns

he means, take away every gun except the "starter gun" or whatever Gun we'll be using, so the game is fair and not P2W

iHot 07-09-2013 03:27 PM

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Posted by xander (Post 383656)
well obviously, you study how the gun works and keep using it.





starter guns

Ain't nobody got time for dat!

Talon 07-09-2013 05:34 PM

Honestly, the game has been going in a pay-to-win direction, but it's gotten better lately. The thing is, Era screwed up from the beginning with their prices. We can't go out and destroy the guns to complete uselessness or "balanced", because that's what everyone paid for. If we were to go out and nerf the guns to be more in line with the others, then we'd get TONS of complaints and refund requests, and we can't handle all of them. Even if we did have some token compensation which can be redeemed for any gun under $x, I fear the majority of the players would still complain that having two "decent" guns is a hell of a lot worse than having one "god-tier" gun. I do agree something has to be done about the balance situation, but nerfing them in exchange for monetary compensation isn't the answer.

Green thing 07-09-2013 06:01 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 382874)
No the bar is not OP you freakin ******, and i have accepted p2w a long time ago. Just what really pissed me off is when admins decided to nerf jobs really making the game p2w. whats OP is the shotguns. Its not rocket science to just get rid of stacked damage and make the freeze rate a equivelent of a shipkia. It would still top the shipkia because of those 4 bullets and the spread.
Also dont add hit registration timer, it does absolutly nothing, just nerf the ROF.

I honestly think you dont have the balls to nerf the shotgun for that reason of ERMAGERD ERA SCAMMED ME BY NERFING PBP cry cry cry. GIMEH MEH REFUND OR I QUIT.

Grow some goddamn balls and go against authority if its for the better of the people.

Why should a 125k gun be nerfed?

Fatality 07-09-2013 06:57 PM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 382776)
Sorry mate but i wasn't the one who decided to bring in the bar, pbp, and shipka all ranged over 100k. You cant sit here complaining that we're not nerfing them because we want to keep the game p2w its because if i was to go out an nerf the bar right now, youd probably see 300 new accounts made on era-go tomorrow of people whining for refunds saying that we "scammed them". Personally i don't even think the bar is op, over priced of anything, i rarely find it a problem when i base or spar, i have it and i don't even use it because i prefer to use the neo rifle or the aug. The only gun i find OP at the moment is the PBP but what more can we do to fix it. We've nerfed the fire rate, the damage, the hit registration, any more and people will be asking for it to be buffed again. We can't remove the stacked damage because theres half for and against.

Also would you rather we didn't update existing guns since it seems to "ruin the game for you" because we're busy trying to improve small aspects of the game for others.

Honestly I'm almost sick of reading your posts, everyone of them is about you.

First part of this is def correct because I used to speak with Meph often when he was GA. You cant just simply nerf BAR and PBP into the ground because people payed 200k (60-70$ USD+) for that OP gun. Nerfing them into the ground (Also making guns 10k the same tier as them) would basically be scamming people. Blame whoever added the BAR, PBP, etc in the first place. The current staff really can't do much to fix it. Although I don't really like the idea of auction guns being added and being very strong (mp7, Souizen, Raffica). These items are often very expensive and very few people get access to them.

ZigZag44 07-09-2013 07:15 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 383786)
Honestly, the game has been going in a pay-to-win direction, but it's gotten better lately. The thing is, Era screwed up from the beginning with their prices. We can't go out and destroy the guns to complete uselessness or "balanced", because that's what everyone paid for. If we were to go out and nerf the guns to be more in line with the others, then we'd get TONS of complaints and refund requests, and we can't handle all of them. Even if we did have some token compensation which can be redeemed for any gun under $x, I fear the majority of the players would still complain that having two "decent" guns is a hell of a lot worse than having one "god-tier" gun. I do agree something has to be done about the balance situation, but nerfing them in exchange for monetary compensation isn't the answer.

i got an idea :O

just refund everyones gralats...example: Boy 1 bought PBP and BAR...*admins refund*....Boy 1 now has (200k + 125k = 325k) 325,000G :)

Fatality 07-09-2013 07:21 PM

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Posted by ZigZag44 (Post 383831)
i got an idea :O

just refund everyones gralats...example: Boy 1 bought PBP and BAR...*admins refund*....Boy 1 now has (200k + 125k = 325k) 325,000G :)

325k Is a ton which would make the company earn little profit which they wont do.

ZigZag44 07-09-2013 07:29 PM

325k is alot, which is what the players spent,

its always about the company earning money?

Fatality 07-10-2013 02:33 AM

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Posted by ZigZag44 (Post 383841)
325k is alot, which is what the players spent,

its always about the company earning money?

Honestly answer this question. If you made a company with a bunch of random people you dont even know playing your game would you rather make 10,000$ or $1,000 lol. They also would have priced bar at 20k if they didn't care about money

Vladamir Blackthorne 07-10-2013 02:44 AM

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Posted by ZigZag44 (Post 383831)
i got an idea :O

just refund everyones gralats...example: Boy 1 bought PBP and BAR...*admins refund*....Boy 1 now has (200k + 125k = 325k) 325,000G :)

Or they could release cheaper yet equal variatiants of current powerful guns.

Fatality 07-10-2013 07:40 AM

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Posted by Lazerlatté (Post 384020)
Or they could release cheaper yet equal variatiants of current powerful guns.

People would still complain because they paid for something that is 200k while somebody payed 30k for something the same strength.

Talon 07-10-2013 08:03 AM

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Posted by ZigZag44 (Post 383831)
i got an idea :O

just refund everyones gralats...example: Boy 1 bought PBP and BAR...*admins refund*....Boy 1 now has (200k + 125k = 325k) 325,000G :)

We don't allow gun refunds for a reason; if we did, any player can just refund all of the guns they had before reaching their top tier gun for a huge profit, which would cause a huge decline in revenue for the developers. There's also the problem of buying a gun to try it out then refunding it.

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Posted by ZigZag44 (Post 383841)
325k is alot, which is what the players spent,

its always about the company earning money?

Actually why the **** don't we just give everything out for free? It's not like the developers deserve anything. The players have a right for everything to be free and anything that goes against developers earning money is bad. The people that made the game don't deserve ****, it's all about how players feel. Let's just screw over the economy by introducing Gralats to the current trade system, because it's better for players despite developers losing a TON of revenue! While we're at it, let's all throw around Gralats like it's Christmas! Free BARs for everyone! Who even cares?!

POWER TO THE PLAYERS

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Posted by Lazerlatté (Post 384020)
Or they could release cheaper yet equal variatiants of current powerful guns.

Wow that doesn't defeat the purpose of pricing something higher at all.

Rotaruc 07-10-2013 08:12 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 382551)
AUG, glock, mp40, tachi scorpion, M16, famas, m416, Muzi, G36, pl9, shotguns, m3, Osiris, AP7, MK23, ACR, steampunk, m1 carbine, Desert Eagles, and K180s. All decent starters

^^^

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Posted by Talon (Post 384147)
Let's all throw around Gralats like it's Christmas! Free BARs for everyone! Who even cares?!

POWER TO THE PLAYERS

Ye i like this.

iHot 07-10-2013 09:26 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 384147)
We don't allow gun refunds for a reason; if we did, any player can just refund all of the guns they had before reaching their top tier gun for a huge profit, which would cause a huge decline in revenue for the developers. There's also the problem of buying a gun to try it out then refunding it.



Actually why the **** don't we just give everything out for free? It's not like the developers deserve anything. The players have a right for everything to be free and anything that goes against developers earning money is bad. The people that made the game don't deserve ****, it's all about how players feel. Let's just screw over the economy by introducing Gralats to the current trade system, because it's better for players despite developers losing a TON of revenue! While we're at it, let's all throw around Gralats like it's Christmas! Free BARs for everyone! Who even cares?!

POWER TO THE PLAYERS



Wow that doesn't defeat the purpose of pricing something higher at all.

Uh Talon the developers don't get paid. It all goes to the main loaf of bread.

Edward 07-10-2013 10:58 AM

@Talon, it is possible for a player to try a gun. I'll give an example, you can still tell me why there's a problem trying out a gun. Anyways, for the ex: When a player taps/clicks the gun, there's two options, "Buy" and "Try out". When they tap/click try out, they get sent to a firing range for 30s-1min, shooting dumbies(like the one's in classic where you shoot with the bow) and showing the damage over the dumbies head, then they get warped back to the shop which they were deciding to purchase the gun or not. BUT, the player can only test it one time(or two just incase they hadden payed attention).

iHot 07-10-2013 01:27 PM

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Posted by Edward (Post 384202)
@Talon, it is possible for a player to try a gun. I'll give an example, you can still tell me why there's a problem trying out a gun. Anyways, for the ex: When a player taps/clicks the gun, there's two options, "Buy" and "Try out". When they tap/click try out, they get sent to a firing range for 30s-1min, shooting dumbies(like the one's in classic where you shoot with the bow) and showing the damage over the dumbies head, then they get warped back to the shop which they were deciding to purchase the gun or not. BUT, the player can only test it one time(or two just incase they hadden payed attention).

Good idea! The testing range would be great for people like me who want to decide if I want to save up for a gun! Although the only thing I disagree with is the limited number of testing times. Infinite!

Edward 07-10-2013 01:49 PM

I was hesitant about it being an ifinite amount because its only to help a player decide wether they want it or not. No point in them trying it out after they buy it you know? Maybe after they buy it they can't try it out anymore, it being infinite sounds nice incase they decide to come back again. So I can agree on it being infinite until bought.

Crag 07-11-2013 03:26 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 384147)
We don't allow gun refunds for a reason; if we did, any player can just refund all of the guns they had before reaching their top tier gun for a huge profit, which would cause a huge decline in revenue for the developers. There's also the problem of buying a gun to try it out then refunding it.



Actually why the **** don't we just give everything out for free? It's not like the developers deserve anything. The players have a right for everything to be free and anything that goes against developers earning money is bad. The people that made the game don't deserve ****, it's all about how players feel. Let's just screw over the economy by introducing Gralats to the current trade system, because it's better for players despite developers losing a TON of revenue! While we're at it, let's all throw around Gralats like it's Christmas! Free BARs for everyone! Who even cares?!

POWER TO THE PLAYERS



Wow that doesn't defeat the purpose of pricing something higher at all.

I was under the impression that only Stefan and the likes got payed while those who Dev do it for no payment?

Talon 07-11-2013 05:40 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 384176)
Uh Talon the developers don't get paid. It all goes to the main loaf of bread.

When I say developers I generally mean the company that owns the game.

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Posted by Edward (Post 384202)
@Talon, it is possible for a player to try a gun. I'll give an example, you can still tell me why there's a problem trying out a gun. Anyways, for the ex: When a player taps/clicks the gun, there's two options, "Buy" and "Try out". When they tap/click try out, they get sent to a firing range for 30s-1min, shooting dumbies(like the one's in classic where you shoot with the bow) and showing the damage over the dumbies head, then they get warped back to the shop which they were deciding to purchase the gun or not. BUT, the player can only test it one time(or two just incase they hadden payed attention).

That's not what I was referring to. I suppose "unlimited rental system" would have been a better analogy. Think of someone borrowing a car, using it for a year, and then selling it back for full price.

Edward 07-11-2013 06:11 AM

Ah, I see what you mean now. Makes sense.

5hift 07-11-2013 10:29 PM

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Posted by Lazerlatté (Post 384020)
Or they could release cheaper yet equal variatiants of current powerful guns.

Enter: the M3. Hell of a ride that was...

Ghettoicedtea 07-12-2013 04:48 AM

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Posted by Green thing (Post 383796)
Why should a 125k gun be nerfed?

Are you a duckin ****** or somethin? A PBP is worth at least 400k with how OP it is compared to BAR

Rotaruc 07-12-2013 08:33 AM

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Posted by Fatality (Post 384138)
People would still complain because they paid for something that is 200k while somebody payed 30k for something the same strength.

my m16 has slightly less dmg slightly more freeze and pretty much the same rate of fire as a bar. compare their prices and stats 16k Vs 200k i wish i could go back in time and buy an m16 and a famas and save hundreds of thousands of gralats.


the regular shotguns can kill u 3 shots if u land all the bullets. compare that to a pbp and ur gunna rage over the price u payed.

U cant even out the guns on era. theres too many problems

Mejico Josh 07-12-2013 05:23 PM

Who ever thought of relasing these guns needs a backhand to the face because it has wrecked the game is only there to make more money for themselves and whoever gets this money must be rolling in it


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