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snk 06-11-2013 09:25 PM

Racism
 
So there is a lot of it, we know.

How to resolve it? Harsher punishments! It is now a high priority offense, meaning one warning and you're jailed.

Any suggestions on how we can put a stop to it, let us know.

I appreciate it, thank you.

Vendetta 06-11-2013 09:28 PM

I personally believe racism to be one of the most serious offences, after all children play this game. I think it should be zero tolerance. But that's just me...

Arecod 06-11-2013 09:31 PM

make some flags , items or places against racism ?

Shiz 06-11-2013 09:31 PM

Remember to report racism guys!

Kyle Kol 06-11-2013 09:31 PM

Well you could update the swear filter in a sense. I've mentioned before that it blocks the word "minigame" due to 3-4 consecutive letters within the word, but it should be detecting words that stand on their own, unless special capitalization is detected (if I were to, say, capitalize those 3-4 letter within the word). It should also count certain numbers as letters (ex. 1 as an I, 5 as an S, 4 as an A, etc.) and understand more words (the certain 5 letter word that people were calling the bat in Jeni's Secret). Those are all my ideas for now.

RedBoy786* 06-11-2013 09:32 PM

The jail time should start at a low amount (4hrs?), but increase if the player continues to offend (doubling each time?). We want this to come to an end so harsh(er) punishments should be given out so the player learns his mistakes and not continue.

Johnaudi 06-11-2013 09:43 PM

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Posted by Arecod (Post 366028)
make some flags , items or places against racism ?

This would double the rate of racism already localized.

3X 06-11-2013 09:45 PM

Harsh Punishments, updated swear filter and i recommend something like an announcer that sends a message to everyone about racism and other things and results of doing so.
Or like a rulebook item you can read and cannot be deleted. Thats all i have as in ideas

Jester Lapse 06-11-2013 10:08 PM

"improving" the swear filter does nothing. The filter itself, is already flawed as is, including spaces for swear words.

I know if you report someone on iZone, it includes the reported players current client chat. This is helpful in depicting if someone is saying something, dunno if iEra has this same system.

Harassment will always take place on anything that is online. It won't just go away. I am glad people are taking this more seriously, but I also think players should keep in mind there is a block button for a reason.

To build off of that, blocking someone should also block their client chat as well, including PM's. Classic had/has the system, so I don't see why iEra cannot.

Sir 06-11-2013 10:10 PM

If a player I warned/ jailed too many times as a result or racism/ vulgarity etc. Said player should be limited to prewritten responses, 'Hello, How are you' Nice weather we're having!' 'Wanna spar?' 'Can I join your gang?' And you can buy more responses for gralats! If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.

Kyle Kol 06-11-2013 10:12 PM

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Posted by Sir (Post 366062)
If a player I warned/ jailed too many times as a result or racism/ vulgarity etc. Said player should be limited to prewritten responses, 'Hello, How are you' Nice weather we're having!' 'Wanna spar?' 'Can I join your gang?' If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.

Arguably the best idea I've seen on this thread.

3X 06-11-2013 10:13 PM

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Posted by Sir (Post 366062)
If a player I warned/ jailed too many times as a result or racism/ vulgarity etc. Said player should be limited to prewritten responses, 'Hello, How are you' Nice weather we're having!' 'Wanna spar?' 'Can I join your gang?' If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.

Reminds me of RuneScape when you werent at a certaint age limit

Ventus277 06-11-2013 10:27 PM

I believe with each offense the punishment should be increased first time jail for 12 hours. Second time Jail for a day, third time if they didn't learn the last two times, ban or jail for a week. Let it be known to those on the server of this. Let the word out that it's not ok to use racist comments for ones joy of it. Broadcast it ingame as well maybe once a week? I know many have graalians, but some don't read this.

DragonRider 06-11-2013 10:28 PM

You can't stop racism, just like you can't stop hackers. There will be loopholes. It's pointless to try to catch them all. The current system is fine, it's the Internet ffs. Stop being so butthurt, call the WAAmbulance, and log off.

Ventus277 06-11-2013 10:30 PM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 366073)
You can't stop racism, just like you can't stop hackers. There will be loopholes. It's pointless to try to catch them all. The current system is fine, it's the Internet ffs. Stop being so butthurt, call the WAAmbulance, and log off.

I believe in action over sitting around and letting a known problem fester. You have a problem with players fighting vulgarity? Then get off the thread if you're not in support of this.

Skill 06-11-2013 10:33 PM

I don't see why it's so hard to prevent already, just log the last 20 or so chat messages or pms that a player sends, but only make it viewable by admins if the player on the receiving end reports them, so that it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy(by reporting a player it tends to mean I want it looked into, so it's not like admins will be able to spy on messages I sent to a friend unless he reports me for some reason)

IMO thread should be renamed to harassment instead of racism, since it is a broader category and racism can fall under it.

In terms of enforcment, I think you need a better way of documenting punishments and warnings of a player. For example, if some guy is throwing our racist or homophobic remarks at someone to try and offend them, and an admin warns them, they could put a note and date. For example:


Skilliard's Behavior Record
11 June 2013-Harassment-noted by <admin name>
"Throwing out Racist remarks to player 12042 yet again, banned for 3 days"

9 June 2013-Harassment-Noted by snk
"Verbally harassing player12042 with racist remarks, given warning.

This way admins will know if a player has been warned before by someone else, and can punish appropriately based on past actions rather than just their own experiences.

cmx2us 06-11-2013 11:20 PM

If anybody is being racist to you, or player(s) around you, message a staff member, aswell as reporting the player, until the staff arrives, please block the player, and ignore them, to prevent punishment on yourself. Thank you. :)

5hift 06-11-2013 11:31 PM

Most rude players only do it for attention. They think they're "cooler" by saying mean things. They can tease you, but the moral high-ground is yours.

Yogy* 06-12-2013 12:39 AM

dont be racist to smurfs

kenthefruit 06-12-2013 12:51 AM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider (Post 366073)
You can't stop racism, just like you can't stop hackers. There will be loopholes. It's pointless to try to catch them all. The current system is fine, it's the Internet ffs. Stop being so butthurt, call the WAAmbulance, and log off.

Yus.

GOAT 06-12-2013 12:58 AM

give them the 3 strike rule. 3 times being caught and they lose all their precious items and a lengthy ban.

Khai 06-12-2013 01:11 AM

I say,if they're caught once,they will have IP ADDRESS prewritten words.

I say,if they're caught once,they are IP ADDRESSED with prewritten phrases like Sir said.

BootySlayer 06-12-2013 01:25 AM

The full-on block and prewritten responses would both be very effective against all harassment. Good ideas guys. I'd love to see these.

Billy 06-12-2013 01:46 AM

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Posted by Arecod (Post 366028)
make some flags , items or places against racism ?

You realize people will rebel and say bad things about races in the area..

Ventus277 06-12-2013 01:56 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 366080)
I don't see why it's so hard to prevent already, just log the last 20 or so chat messages or pms that a player sends, but only make it viewable by admins if the player on the receiving end reports them, so that it wouldn't be an invasion of privacy(by reporting a player it tends to mean I want it looked into, so it's not like admins will be able to spy on messages I sent to a friend unless he reports me for some reason)

IMO thread should be renamed to harassment instead of racism, since it is a broader category and racism can fall under it.

In terms of enforcment, I think you need a better way of documenting punishments and warnings of a player. For example, if some guy is throwing our racist or homophobic remarks at someone to try and offend them, and an admin warns them, they could put a note and date. For example:


Skilliard's Behavior Record
11 June 2013-Harassment-noted by <admin name>
"Throwing out Racist remarks to player 12042 yet again, banned for 3 days"

9 June 2013-Harassment-Noted by snk
"Verbally harassing player12042 with racist remarks, given warning.

This way admins will know if a player has been warned before by someone else, and can punish appropriately based on past actions rather than just their own experiences.

I like this, add a criminal record to someone so punishment can be made easier to decide the lengh of time needed.

Ghettoicedtea 06-12-2013 02:16 AM

UGGGGGGGGGH OMFG ERA YOUR TOO SOFT WITH YO PUNISHMENTS, YOU SHOULD ONLY GET ONE WARNING FOR EVERY THING ELSE THEN JAIL, RACISM SHOULD BE INSTA JAIL 5 MINUTES THEN IF THEY DO IT AGAIN DOUBLE THE TIME.

Tricxta 06-12-2013 02:37 AM

Racism is very controversial, it's often used by PRs to pick on people they don't like or to defend friends with ease. There shouldn't be any set rules, a PR should seek guidance from a PRA and players should have the right to object to an unfair judgement if they're not an obvious moron...

poorface 06-12-2013 02:58 AM

I like the one warning idea and ghetto's instant jail idea. Racism has been the cause of almost every war in history and should not be tolerated

Skill 06-12-2013 03:26 AM

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Posted by poorface (Post 366264)
I like the one warning idea and ghetto's instant jail idea. Racism has been the cause of almost every war in history and should not be tolerated

The only war Racism on Era would cause is a flame war :rolleyes:

Yogy* 06-12-2013 03:48 AM

I like the old punishment idea of digging an amount of shells an admin jailing a player sets, and you need to dig that amount to get out of jail.

poorface 06-12-2013 04:34 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 366276)
The only war Racism on Era would cause is a flame war :rolleyes:

I only meant that racism has been a problem throughout history, not that it would actually cause a war on a game..

fsh 06-12-2013 04:46 AM

do staff even look at feedback and reports

WMS 06-12-2013 04:49 AM

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Posted by fsh (Post 366329)
do staff even look at feedback and reports

They're too busy making useless shops.

fsh 06-12-2013 04:55 AM

oh man can't wait for the next holiday melees!!1!1!1

Tricxta 06-12-2013 05:07 AM

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Posted by fsh (Post 366329)
do staff even look at feedback and reports

Lots of stupid crap gets passed through, but yer, when I was in power I certainly did at times.

fsh 06-12-2013 05:21 AM

lol I just assume staff doesn't even bother looking because 90% of it is "he scammed me"

or was

DragonRider 06-12-2013 06:01 AM

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Posted by Ventus277 (Post 366074)
I believe in action over sitting around and letting a known problem fester. You have a problem with players fighting vulgarity? Then get off the thread if you're not in support of this.

No, I believe in natural selection. It's like the social food chain.
Lol, "get off the thread if you're not in support of this." I'm sorry for giving my input and instead, let's all have a thread where we just ********** and shun anyone who goes against our beliefs! Criticism is bad :-(. Lol, *** da haterzzzz dey r just jelus of diz awsum idea am I rite if u think so rep me XDDDDDDD

iHot 06-12-2013 07:34 AM

Quote:

Posted by Ventus277 (Post 366074)
I believe in action over sitting around and letting a known problem fester. You have a problem with players fighting vulgarity? Then get off the thread if you're not in support of this.

Actually I agree with him (DragonRider). This is something that the community cannot stop. Racism like a lot of other bad things in this world will always remain. Sadly things like this are more prominent on the Internet due to the anonymity of being behind a screen. Censoring players will do nothing.

Johnaudi 06-12-2013 09:57 AM

Quote:

Posted by fsh (Post 366347)
lol I just assume staff doesn't even bother looking because 90% of it is "he scammed me"

or was

Quote:

Harassment- scammer,scammed gang members
Harassment- He is disturbing me when I am shrooming
Harassment- Poop
Harassment- he always disturb me blocked him
Glitching- She lag on spar
Harassment- he killed me
Hacking- HACKING
Harassment- 123
Harassment- He well not let us dig he is killing us and run away
Harassment- Stealing other peoples property like expensive swords
Hacking- hacking a ppl
Glitching- U bich
Glitching- admins please listen i traded spd fart for 10k and he said 11k so i did so we did it and he said i added 1k more so plz add food so idid and we traded turns out he gave me 110shells :/ please help me
Harassment- 'D'I
Offensive Name- Im notdoing anything she will report me
Harassment- He killing us
Glitching- :((((((( she sealed my crab daggger please I now that admin won't get it back but I'll quitte if she won't get it back or jail here pleaseeeeee
Offensive Name- Hvtedc gfsafn
Hacking- Scammed
And this is just in 15min of online time, in the reports only... Feedback is worse lol.

SnakeRekon 06-12-2013 10:52 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 366342)
Lots of stupid crap gets passed through, but yer, when I was in power I certainly did at times.

You had power? :p ;)
Reports do get checked, shame 95% of it is spam.

cky2013 06-12-2013 11:05 AM

How about Once reported ur walk speed -25%

Hp become50% can't use public message15mins

Jester Lapse 06-12-2013 11:17 AM

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Posted by cky2013 (Post 366488)
How about Once reported ur walk speed -25%

Hp become50% can't use public message15mins

everyone would just report everyone just to be mean lol.

iHot 06-12-2013 11:32 AM

Quote:

Posted by Johnaudi (Post 366468)
And this is just in 15min of online time, in the reports only... Feedback is worse lol.

Would you mind posting more reports? That **** was the bomb!

Ventus277 06-12-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider (Post 366357)
No, I believe in natural selection. It's like the social food chain.
Lol, "get off the thread if you're not in support of this." I'm sorry for giving my input and instead, let's all have a thread where we just ********** and shun anyone who goes against our beliefs! Criticism is bad :-(. Lol, *** da haterzzzz dey r just jelus of diz awsum idea am I rite if u think so rep me XDDDDDDD

The irony in our posts then as you're saying the same thing.


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Posted by iHot (Post 366416)
Actually I agree with him (DragonRider). This is something that the community cannot stop. Racism like a lot of other bad things in this world will always remain. Sadly things like this are more prominent on the Internet due to the anonymity of being behind a screen. Censoring players will do nothing.

Ill agree children behind the screen of their device will be racist. The point of the thread is to stop what happens faster, not censor it although jesters total block idea would work perfectly. I've watched this go on long enough to sit around and am speaking out dragon can be a **** over the Internet all he wants. The fact his trolling doesn't benefit the thread is obvious.

Mejico Josh 06-12-2013 03:44 PM

Just ban them for a week if found guilty. I dont care about a soft 1 hour ban be harsh with it because it will lower it down alot

Emera 06-12-2013 03:48 PM

Fair enough.

iHot 06-12-2013 03:49 PM

This may sound cruel but iEra needs to deliver HARSH punishment on someone. An example to the iEra community.

Ghettoicedtea 06-12-2013 04:01 PM

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Posted by poorface (Post 366264)
I like the one warning idea and ghetto's instant jail idea. Racism has been the cause of almost every war in history and should not be tolerated

actually its racism, supplies, politics, and religion.

Mystickk 06-12-2013 04:24 PM

Seeing how John has posted what people report, you guys need to buckle down on these unneeded reports.
1. They're getting in the way of the real reports
2. Make a punishment for false reports, where they can't use it for an amount of time? Or something else, not sure.

Ya I know numerous people use the report system when unneeded, so I don't know how you'd get to solve that problem.

For the racism - no matter where you go it's always there. Because of the false reports, I'm sure staff won't be able to get to the racist person on time, letting them get away with it. People always find a way to avoid the swear filter, which means if people keep limiting it, it will just turn into phrased chat. Someone had already said that, can't remember who/where, but I agree.

Ventus277 06-12-2013 05:03 PM

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Posted by Mystickk (Post 366567)
Seeing how John has posted what people report, you guys need to buckle down on these unneeded reports.
1. They're getting in the way of the real reports
2. Make a punishment for false reports, where they can't use it for an amount of time? Or something else, not sure.

Ya I know numerous people use the report system when unneeded, so I don't know how you'd get to solve that problem.

For the racism - no matter where you go it's always there. Because of the false reports, I'm sure staff won't be able to get to the racist person on time, letting them get away with it. People always find a way to avoid the swear filter, which means if people keep limiting it, it will just turn into phrased chat. Someone had already said that, can't remember who/where, but I agree.

For now Im liking a complete block of chat and messaging if needed.

I also like the idea of a crime history on an individual. So that admins who deal a punishment don't have to do it based on their firsthand experience with them.

I'm all for a harsh punishment. An example should be made and a message sent out. A one week ban is something that can be tried.


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