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TarePanda 04-06-2013 10:07 AM

Why is Delteria so independent?
 
I was wondering why Delteria is so independent. They have their own website and forums. Why not just merge with these forums?

Myst 04-06-2013 10:25 AM

well its not released yet

there wouldnt be much to talk about xD

Ash Ketchum 04-06-2013 10:56 AM

Because fk the police

Ryan 04-06-2013 11:17 AM

Ash4Prezidnt #YOLO

Joshua_P2P 04-06-2013 11:38 AM

The day ash becomes president is the day i am leaving graal so i guess i am never leaving

Ash Ketchum 04-06-2013 11:39 AM

*sadface

Ryan 04-06-2013 01:15 PM

President Ketchup

Johnaudi 04-06-2013 01:28 PM

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Posted by TarePanda (Post 325541)
I was wondering why Delteria is so independent. They have their own website and forums. Why not just merge with these forums?

So does iEra.

Emera 04-06-2013 01:29 PM

We want the freedom to moderate our own content, and some of us don't agree with the way these forums are moderated. Hosting our own communication mediums gives us freedom to edit and moderate however we like which is less of a headache.

MattKan 04-06-2013 01:45 PM

I think that Delteria is splitting the community by releasing its own forums. The majority of the iOS community is already here, so, to me, it makes much more sense just to go with these forums rather than attempt to split the community in two. Personally, I probably won't use the Delteria forums that much or even at all, and I would be much more inclined to post in them if they were somewhere familiar such as here. Delteria has told me in the past that they're doing this to allow themselves to integrate in-game statistics, etc. into the forums, but they've never been able to tell me why they can't do that here. (Simply put, they can't.) At this point, it seems to me that Delteria is just intent on dominating on forum power. What they don't realize is that they don't need to. They have everything they need already here.

There's a reason I like these forums... It's a great program that really does bring the community together, and I think by attempting to work against it, you're really hurting the community. Why not embrace that instead of trying to compete against it? Isn't it a good thing to bring the community together?

(And as far as Emera's post goes, are there really any instances of bad forum moderation here at all? Other than the ones in the Zone forum which is completely irrelevant to Delteria's interests? You can't let personal spite get in the way of good opportunities; it's just going to hurt you in the long run.)

Furryamigo 04-06-2013 05:01 PM

I haven't even looked at thenDelteria forums since the day I signed up for them lol. Forgot they existed

BboyEatsbacon 04-06-2013 05:16 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 325601)
So does iEra.

Those forums have been closed until a later time, though.

SnakeRekon 04-06-2013 05:27 PM

Pretty sure Delteria just like doing their own thing xD

Meteor 04-06-2013 06:11 PM

It would be better if they just used these forums. I am never going to use the independent deltaria forums.

Pimpsy G. 04-06-2013 06:16 PM

I have a feeling the bulk of discussion for delteria will take place in the "General graal discussion" here when the game is released, so them having their own forums won't really split the community all that much.

Breezy 04-06-2013 07:05 PM

Delteria has forums?

The Doctor 04-06-2013 07:06 PM

I've never been on the Delteria forums and I never will. If you Delterians want popularity, then I advise asking for a sub forum here. I don't think many people want to go through the trouble of signing up for another website when everything is here... It's just a suggestion.

Van Canavi 04-06-2013 07:09 PM

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Posted by Breezy (Post 325740)
Delteria has forums?

New 52 ftw

Robert. 04-06-2013 08:01 PM

The Managers of iDelteria have their reasons not to get a sub on here.

Dusty 04-06-2013 08:11 PM

There's no reason why Delteria wouldn't get a forum here when it's released(I'm assuming). So whether or not Delteria supports it here is their own call, it'll still be here.

BboyEatsbacon 04-06-2013 08:13 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 325773)
There's no reason why Delteria wouldn't get a forum here when it's released(I'm assuming). So whether or not Delteria supports it here is their own call, it'll still be here.

That's partly why this is a community forum.

Jester Lapse 04-06-2013 10:14 PM

I don't see why it's a problem. The management on iDelteria want more freedom. Rufus only allows I think, 2 MODs per section on here. We saw how easily iZone section went to hell. If the management on iDelteria want to do their own thing and build their own system then let them. iDelteria is not like any other Graal server.

inb4: Shut up Jester, you're staff their so you back them up.
I have suggested many times to just make the forum here. They seem intent on doing their own thing, and honestly, the plans they have seem much better than that they could accomplish here.

kenthefruit 04-06-2013 10:24 PM

They could accomplish more recognition on these forums alongside their own forums. Most players don't even check their independent forums, if they went on here, it'd be simpler for everyone.

TheRookie 04-06-2013 10:25 PM

Lol. Ya'll thinking Delteria is trying to split the community? Start its own army?!?!

Delteria, though essentially a part of Graal, is being treated as if it's another game. Everything ran about Delteria is on the pretense of that. Many of you won't understand, and it wouldn't matter to them if you "refuse to conform and go to their forums". Won't matter to them, because Delteria will keep on doing its own thing. Kudos to these group of volunteers that just entirely do things differently.

Jester Lapse 04-06-2013 10:27 PM

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Posted by BaKon (Post 325820)
They could accomplish more recognition on these forums alongside their own forums. Most players don't even check their independent forums, if they went on here, it'd be simpler for everyone.

Delteria needs recognition? Lol. 835 people like the Facebook page pre-release. 675 like zone's post-release. I don't think Delteria is looking for recognition, they are looking to produce great content and getting the game in the App store.

Emera 04-06-2013 10:30 PM

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Posted by TheRookie (Post 325821)
Lol. Ya'll thinking Delteria is trying to split the community? Start its own army?!?!

Delteria, though essentially a part of Graal, is being treated as if it's another game. Everything ran about Delteria is on the pretense of that. Many of you won't understand, and it wouldn't matter to them if you "refuse to conform and go to their forums". Won't matter to them, because Delteria will keep on doing its own thing. Kudos to these group of volunteers that just entirely do things differently.

Pretty much. We're looking to create something different and do our own thing. Be our guest and join our community. Don't want to? No skin off our nose.

kenthefruit 04-06-2013 10:32 PM

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Posted by TheRookie (Post 325821)
Delteria, though essentially a part of Graal, is being treated as if it's another game.

It is another game, lol.

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 325822)
Delteria needs recognition? Lol. 835 people like the Facebook page pre-release. 675 like zone's post-release. I don't think Delteria is looking for recognition, they are looking to produce great content and getting the game in the App store.

It's only going to get on the App Store if approved and released by Stefan, making their own thread is not doing anything at all except complicating things. And we aren't talking about Zone, simply Delteria, I don't care about its likes or Zone's likes.

Dusty 04-06-2013 10:33 PM

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Posted by TheRookie (Post 325821)
Kudos to these group of volunteers that just entirely do things differently.

Eh... not really. Pretty standard "making the best server ever" experience, imo. I'm not saying they're not doing a good job or not -- that's not my point. They just aren't really changing things up that much. Anyone who's been on the development side of Graal for a few years has seen it a million times before.

Jester Lapse 04-06-2013 10:39 PM

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Posted by BaKon (Post 325826)
It's only going to get on the App Store if approved and released by Stefan, making their own thread is not doing anything at all except complicating things. And we aren't talking about Zone, simply Delteria, I don't care about its likes or Zone's likes.

And this is where your argument falters. Stefan doesnt give a rat's booty about these forums. These are unofficial forums and fan made. So how, is making their own forums, complicating anything for Stefan and Unixmad? I simply mentioned Zone as your prior "point" was that Delteria needed exposure or attention, which plainly, it doesn't.

Emera 04-06-2013 10:40 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 325827)
Eh... not really. Pretty standard "making the best server ever" experience, imo. I'm not saying they're not doing a good job or not -- that's not my point. They just aren't really changing things up that much. Anyone who's been on the development side of Graal for a few years has seen it a million times before.

You've been around longer than I have, so you might be able to catch me out on this one, but I've never seen/heard of a server that even comes close to what we have going on Delteria. The graphic style is one of the first things that comes to mind when you think of Delteria. Nobody else has a style like ours. We're also heavily working on developing quests right now, and we have more quests than you'd be able to find on Graal The Adventure or Unholy Nation (which are both questing servers/focus on questing). We also have a unique combat system, transport to travel to/from different maps and we're working on pulling all of this onto the iPlatform so it can be enjoyed by thousands of players. I don't think that's been done before :3

Ash Ketchum 04-06-2013 10:40 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 325822)
Delteria needs recognition? Lol. 835 people like the Facebook page pre-release. 675 like zone's post-release. I don't think Delteria is looking for recognition, they are looking to produce great content and getting the game in the App store.

Oh daammmm you're using zone as an example now shieeettt.. Did you get fired or something?

kenthefruit 04-06-2013 10:41 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 325830)
And this is where your argument falters. Stefan doesnt give a rat's booty about these forums. These are unofficial forums and fan made. So how, is making their own forums, complicating anything for Stefan and Unixmad? I simply mentioned Zone as your prior "point" was that Delteria needed exposure or attention, which plainly, it doesn't.

I never said it complicated anything for Stefan, or Unixmad. I said it complicates things, as in complicating things for players.

Emera 04-06-2013 10:42 PM

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Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 325833)
Oh daammmm you're using zone as an example now shieeettt.. Did you get fired or something?

Don't try and throw off the peaceful discussion we've got going here. This is how most of the threads on here turn to ****.

Ash Ketchum 04-06-2013 10:47 PM

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Posted by Emera (Post 325835)
Don't try and throw off the peaceful discussion we've got going here. This is how most of the threads on here turn to ****.

Just asked a question bich

Jester Lapse 04-06-2013 10:47 PM

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Posted by BaKon (Post 325834)
I never said it complicated anything for Stefan, or Unixmad. I said it complicates things, as in complicating things for players.

You put them both in the same sentence, my bad.

If it is so complex for players to simply visit another website that has promised to offer things unique to the server, then really? It only shows laziness on the player side. How many websites do you visit a day? One more will really kill you? They have tabs for a reason.

It all comes down to this really. Delteria is independent because it doesn't want to be looked at as just another Graal Server. Not another money sucking hole for Stefan. Not another same routine that is on every iServer thus far. It does want to be looked at and treated as something new and unique. This is WAY more work for the staff than for the players to keep, maintain and pay for a different forum. If the staff can honestly provide this content, and pay for these things for the PLAYERS to enjoy, why the hell would you bitch?

In my eyes, it seems like you would rather spend 30 minutes complaining that Delteria doesn't merge instead of taking 2 seconds to open a new tab.

Emera 04-06-2013 10:49 PM

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Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 325839)
Just asked a question bich

No, you're too dumb to come up with a decent argument but you're far too naive to just not post so you go and post complete **** everywhere. Pack it in ffs.

Ash Ketchum 04-06-2013 10:52 PM

If you have slow Internet it will take 20 seconds. Plus it is an inconvinece going to a different forum for a graal server when you have this well organised forums for all iOS graal servers.

I don't even think Rufus wants a sub forum for delteria

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Posted by Emera (Post 325842)
No, you're too dumb to come up with a decent argument but you're far too naive to just not post so you go and post complete **** everywhere. Pack it in ffs.

Sorry babe, just forgive me <3

Tizy 04-06-2013 10:55 PM

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Posted by Emera (Post 325842)
No, you're too dumb to come up with a decent argument but you're far too naive to just not post so you go and post complete **** everywhere. Pack it in ffs.

oh damn emera

Btw, heres a section of Delteria on Graaldepot.com


http://www.graaldepot.com/delteria-iphone

-Albus 04-07-2013 12:40 AM

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Posted by Emera (Post 325832)
You've been around longer than I have, so you might be able to catch me out on this one, but I've never seen/heard of a server that even comes close to what we have going on Delteria. The graphic style is one of the first things that comes to mind when you think of Delteria. Nobody else has a style like ours. We're also heavily working on developing quests right now, and we have more quests than you'd be able to find on Graal The Adventure or Unholy Nation (which are both questing servers/focus on questing). We also have a unique combat system, transport to travel to/from different maps and we're working on pulling all of this onto the iPlatform so it can be enjoyed by thousands of players. I don't think that's been done before :3

Have you logged on to Zodiac? The main reason Delteria is getting so much hype is because it's the first server in this style being developed for mobile devices. From what I have seen and heard about Delteria, it's pretty much Zodiac but with a less experienced staff team working on it. I'm not trying to bash the server or anything, but there have been a few RPG servers that have been made and put on the server list in Graal's history, so what you guys are doing is nothing groundbreaking or new.

fsh 04-07-2013 01:40 AM

glub

Tizmiz 04-07-2013 01:44 AM

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Posted by -Albus (Post 325923)
Have you logged on to Zodiac? The main reason Delteria is getting so much hype is because it's the first server in this style being developed for mobile devices. From what I have seen and heard about Delteria, it's pretty much Zodiac but with a less experienced staff team working on it. I'm not trying to bash the server or anything, but there have been a few RPG servers that have been made and put on the server list in Graal's history, so what you guys are doing is nothing groundbreaking or new.

Saying it's pretty much Zodiac is like saying every mmorpg is pretty much Zodiac.

Dusty 04-07-2013 01:56 AM

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Posted by Emera (Post 325832)
You've been around longer than I have, so you might be able to catch me out on this one, but I've never seen/heard of a server that even comes close to what we have going on Delteria. The graphic style is one of the first things that comes to mind when you think of Delteria. Nobody else has a style like ours. We're also heavily working on developing quests right now, and we have more quests than you'd be able to find on Graal The Adventure or Unholy Nation (which are both questing servers/focus on questing). We also have a unique combat system, transport to travel to/from different maps and we're working on pulling all of this onto the iPlatform so it can be enjoyed by thousands of players. I don't think that's been done before :3

I never said anything about the actual content, and especially not the quality of it. Just saying it's all been done before. More specifically the idea that Delteria has revolutionized the way it's developed and being approached like a "real game" where other servers have not is silly. There have been plenty of servers in the past with the ambitions and scale of iDelteria, and many have had just as much effort and heart and soul put into them.

Again, not saying iDelteria is a bad server or not, but that it's silly to think it's the first server to do this and that. Graal's been around a very long time, and it's seen many things.

Jester Lapse 04-07-2013 02:04 AM

I don't see how that is relevant to the question at hand.

fsh 04-07-2013 02:15 AM

because it's.. not? u_u

Ignatius 04-07-2013 02:21 AM

Delteria is probably going to be the least corrupt Graal yet (imo)

The steps they are taking wont be regretted.

Ignatius 04-07-2013 02:28 AM

Everything wise.

Tizmiz 04-07-2013 02:48 AM

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcr5AO3oqwA

-Albus 04-07-2013 03:24 AM

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Posted by Tizmiz (Post 325947)
Saying it's pretty much Zodiac is like saying every mmorpg is pretty much Zodiac.

Saying Zodiac is groundbreaking is like saying every new mmo introduced to the market is groundbreaking. It's not, it's nothing overly special, it's been done before.

Tizmiz 04-07-2013 03:33 AM

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Posted by -Albus (Post 326015)
Saying Zodiac is groundbreaking is like saying every new mmo introduced to the market is groundbreaking. It's not, it's nothing overly special, it's been done before.

Sweet, now the Graal ios community can see it on their ios devices. Never said it was ground breaking.

kenthefruit 04-07-2013 03:51 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 325840)
You put them both in the same sentence, my bad.

If it is so complex for players to simply visit another website that has promised to offer things unique to the server, then really? It only shows laziness on the player side. How many websites do you visit a day? One more will really kill you? They have tabs for a reason.

It all comes down to this really. Delteria is independent because it doesn't want to be looked at as just another Graal Server. Not another money sucking hole for Stefan. Not another same routine that is on every iServer thus far. It does want to be looked at and treated as something new and unique. This is WAY more work for the staff than for the players to keep, maintain and pay for a different forum. If the staff can honestly provide this content, and pay for these things for the PLAYERS to enjoy, why the hell would you bitch?

In my eyes, it seems like you would rather spend 30 minutes complaining that Delteria doesn't merge instead of taking 2 seconds to open a new tab.

Lol? Delteria is JUST another server, you seem immature to think otherwise. There isn't ANYTHING special about this server, yes it'll be fun, but it isn't any better than all the other servers.


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