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HappyCat123 03-26-2013 04:40 PM

PBP OP.
 
So is the AC and weapons similar to the AC. Please nerf.

RedBoy786* 03-26-2013 05:32 PM

nice explanation of why it should be removed. I'm convinced.

No. 27 Ecs can take a long while to earn, and to he honest, it's not even that OP. it can easily beaten with its fairly high freeze by an M4/Sten. I would prefer that over starter guns in spar due to how easily it is to dodge, unless you are just some hardcore bottom hugger.

The PBP, I agree to an extent. Yes it is still pretty OP, but it has been nerfed like 10 times, which makes it much more easier to beat. It sucks to be a PBP user, I feel for all Ebizou members. But no, it is 125k at the end of the day as well as being the most expensive shotgun, so tbh, it should remain how it is.

99% 03-26-2013 05:35 PM

The PBP has been nerfed so many times that now a 5,000 gralat shotgun kills faster than it.
Nerfing it more would be useless, might as well just remove it.

lord greg 03-26-2013 06:03 PM

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Posted by RedBoy786* (Post 318536)
nice explanation of why it should be removed. I'm convinced.

No. 27 Ecs can take a long while to earn, and to he honest, it's not even that OP. it can easily beaten with its fairly high freeze by an M4/Sten. I would prefer that over starter guns in spar due to how easily it is to dodge, unless you are just some hardcore bottom hugger.

The PBP, I agree to an extent. Yes it is still pretty OP, but it has been nerfed like 10 times, which makes it much more easier to beat. It sucks to be a PBP user, I feel for all Ebizou members. But no, it is 125k at the end of the day as well as being the most expensive shotgun, so tbh, it should remain how it is.

according to this forum, we all use every OP gun which isn't true.

HappyCat123 03-26-2013 06:18 PM

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Posted by RedBoy786* (Post 318536)
No. 27 Ecs can take a long while to earn, and to he honest, it's not even that OP. it can easily beaten with its fairly high freeze by an M4/Sten. I would prefer that over starter guns in spar due to how easily it is to dodge, unless you are just some hardcore bottom hugger.

I don't spar. In bases I'll be hiding behind an object (a couch lets say) then a guy with an AC will show up and shoot the side of the couch that I'm not on and it'll do damage to me. Same with when I'm behind walls. Annoys the **** out of me.

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Posted by 99% (Post 318537)
The PBP has been nerfed so many times that now a 5,000 gralat shotgun kills faster than it.
Nerfing it more would be useless, might as well just remove it.

Yes, get rid of it and refund everyone who bought it. Then they can pick up a weapon that requires a bit of skill.

lord greg 03-26-2013 06:23 PM

That is true. AC is too good in basing as cover is useless.

99% 03-26-2013 06:58 PM

If you're hiding from an AC user, then you shouldn't bother complaining.
For if you used skill and got close to them, their ACs are rendered practically useless, as you can just keep running around them.

lord greg 03-26-2013 07:03 PM

You can't just keep running around them if there is more than 1 person attacking.

99% 03-26-2013 07:15 PM

That's a quite unsubstantial point to back up your claim.
Using that logic, I could claim any gun is over-powered.
You know, since I can't exactly disperse them because there's more attackers around.

CHAOS* 03-26-2013 08:11 PM

I think the AC is fine. Now, for the pbp there's really nothing else we can do because of its price.

Maybe a little more freeze too it would help. Not as much as m3 but enough to
make a difference.

BabyGhost 03-26-2013 10:13 PM

AC was perfect before it's rate of fire buff. Being blessed by it's above average rate of fire for an artillery weapon, you are the monster of crowd control. The explosion damage can flush out enemies at ease as long as you are not targeted. AC's performance in a spar situation is below average if the AC user is in a open space. AC used to be one of the worst guns in a sparring situations. Thanks to it's rate of fire buff, it is still possible for an AC user to beat other guns in sparring situations.

HappyCat123 03-26-2013 11:45 PM

pls nerf.

Yogy* 03-26-2013 11:54 PM

notice how people who dont have AC cry to nerf it

Collin R.M.* 03-27-2013 12:30 AM

XD. Yogy I agree. How did people with the AC get it exactly? Oh right, with skill, so quit whining. It's fair.

Jazzy 03-27-2013 12:31 AM

Truth is, I noticed that when you are killed by a pbp user, as you begin to revive, they just shoot you once and you are stuck there for about a second or two and they keep on repeatedly kill you.

Yogy* 03-27-2013 12:46 AM

pbp was nerfed but lol it still takes 3 shots to kill not that big difference

V. 03-27-2013 11:58 AM

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Posted by Yogy* (Post 318661)
notice how people who dont have AC cry to nerf it

I actually own one, and I want it nerfed, too. It's unfair and reduces the element of skill- something which 90% of Era don't know the definition of.

As for PBP, I think it's alright, you just need to counteract their shots. Expect when they fire, move out the way, then you shoot.

BL_SHIFT 03-27-2013 03:17 PM

refund my pbp it went from dealing 8 dmg when i first got it to 4 to 3 to usless >:|

SnakeRekon 03-27-2013 03:32 PM

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Posted by BL_SHIFT (Post 318908)
refund my pbp it went from dealing 8 dmg when i first got it to 4 to 3 to usless >:|

Your argument might be valid if not for the fact the damage system for shotguns was also changed making your gun actually do more damage if all bullets hit.

lord greg 03-27-2013 06:02 PM

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Posted by Collin R.M.* (Post 318671)
XD. Yogy I agree. How did people with the AC get it exactly? Oh right, with skill, so quit whining. It's fair.

cheating

blom98 03-28-2013 02:13 PM

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Posted by HappyCat123
get rid of it and refund everyone who bought it

Ones does not simply get a gun refunded

HappyCat123 03-28-2013 07:03 PM

no.

Ghettoicedtea 03-30-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Posted by 99% (Post 318537)
The PBP has been nerfed so many times that now a 5,000 gralat shotgun kills faster than it.
Nerfing it more would be useless, might as well just remove it.

Bullcrap the pbp still whoops the m3s ass since pbp ignores the .5 second hit timer. M3 dosent, m3 just ignores the spawn timer

Kana 03-30-2013 10:34 PM

Remember when the M16 was nerfed and no one bought it anymore? Yeah.

Ghettoicedtea 03-31-2013 01:38 AM

Meph is supposted to nerf all shotguns to no stacked damage.

eric 03-31-2013 03:33 AM

I have a pbp and it is so OP, I literally want it nerfed because I feel its totally unfair that me and gralat pack nut jobs kill people that work hard for m4's and get cheaped out.

8 damage 1 bullet
If all bullets hit it still does 8 damage.

Voila, and make the sound different, and the look, I suggest that olirus guy remakes it.

P.S KSG 7 dmg: BULLET IF BOTH HIT 8, 80% SHIELD

Billy 03-31-2013 05:56 PM

People who think AC is OP are realllly bad,I've never been beat by an AC lol..

eric 03-31-2013 06:02 PM

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Posted by Billy (Post 321286)
People who think AC is OP are realllly bad,I've never been beat by an AC lol..

People who think AC is OP are realllly bad,I've never been beat by an air conditioner lol..

fsh 03-31-2013 06:07 PM

http://i.imgur.com/7a4kz.jpg

Ghettoicedtea 03-31-2013 11:22 PM

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Posted by Billy (Post 321286)
People who think AC is OP are realllly bad,I've never been beat by an AC lol..

Try walking into a base. Those damn things get so fking annoying along with pbps, bars and m3


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