To Meph(about the KSG shotgun improvement)
 

First of all this thread is intended to Meph,,,
I could have message you about this but I want everybody to see this, so I make it public..
Gun: KSG shotgun
Damage: 6(3 damage per bullet) 8 at perfect(4 per bullet)
Clip:12
Price: about 70k+( I don't know the exact price)
Freeze:high

So my complain is about the damage and the freeze of the KSG. The KSG suppose to be a gun that can compete with other gun on its price range.. Like the sten, m4, ab8, morano,, etc.. But the KSG seem to be very underpowered for a 70k+ gun. If you use the shield in KSG.. It only decrease the damge taken by 20-30%(correct me if I'm wrong).. And the downside is the rate of fire is reduced, the freeze become insanely high.. And it feels like heavy to use..
With this stats it can't compete with other guns. I think only few people use this gun. It is not worth for its current stats as of now..
So my suggestion is:
1. Increase the damge of KSG by 1 decrease the freeze and remove the slowness when you equip the shield as well as the decrease in rate of fire(cause its very pointless for a gun that make you slow when equipped)
2. When not equipped with shield.. Increase the damge of KSG by 2 so it will have a base damge of 5 and 6 damge at perfect(12 damge if both bullet hit). When the shield is equipped keep the original damge but increase the damage decrease of the shield( let say 50-60% decrease in damge taken). Then remove the slowness and high freeze when you equipped the shield.
3. Make the KSG bullet 3 instead of 2.. Increase the clip to 21 and again remove the slowness and high freeze when the shield is equipped.
4. Let say KSG is not meant to be an offensive gun. So, I suggest to remove the shield damge decrease effect.. Change it to a shield that will reflect the incoming damge(let say 20-30% chance to reflect).. Give a knock back effect to the bullet of the gun so that it can still be usefull..

I think this gun need a major improvement.. Hope you will read this and make a move to change it as soon as possible..
This game is good but the stats of some gun ruined the balanced of the game making players to quit.

Any suggestion from other player is welcomed here..
Thanks and please do not start a flame war here.. Again this thread is for Meph to know that KSG is the most unbalanced gun of iera..

Thank you and hopefully this will resolved the problem..

You want it to shoot 3 bullets and have it do 6 damage x-x. I think the only thing it needs is 1 extra damage per bullet and for the shield to have the same freeze and slowness just have the old block based on a 50% chance of the bullet doing damage when hit..

I forgot to indicate that above(suggestion 1-4) is an option. What I mean is it will not shoot 6 damge per bullet if the number of bullet released by gun is 3... It will shoot 3 bullet with a damge of 3 per bullet a total of 9 base damge or 12 damage at perfect... Then remove the slowness when the shield is equipped cause it really become a disadvantage to the user of the gun if he/she can't dodge the incoming bullet.. Maybe you'll ask what's the point of the shield? The shield will be come useless since it only block(decrease damge tAken) in front.. What if the your enemy sneak around you and shoot you at the back? You can't move that fast because if the heavy(slowness effect) shield..

Get the idea? Any way your gun is good the day it was released but now it is a waste of money...

Not really, just use it without the shield, its pretty good at supressing

I agree with Sam 100%

I still think KSG is still underpowered... And what is the purpose is shield if you will not use it? KSG need to be improve.. Maybe increase the damage by 1 and remove the slowness..
KSG compared to other gun at its price range is very underpowered.. Imagine an m4 user killing a KSG user do easily.. Do you think it is fair? M4 cost 55k and KSG cost 70k+. The difference in price is huge..
Another example is KSG vs an m3... The result is m3 end up killing the KSG user...

Now tell me? Is KSG powerfully enough to compete with other guns?

Bar is very strong gun because it cost 200k. Why KSG is so underpowered when it cost 70k+? They all say this game is paytowin therefore KSG should be on par with other guns that cost close to the KSG itself..

Remember, the KSG is not be used solo. The shield is to take some damage and give a little kick. It's not made to absorb all damage, and deal anything like 16 in one shot.

I'm not saying that KSG is a solo gun but you need to consider that it was created for the purpose of killing an enemy.. Can you tell me why guns less than 70k is better than the KSG that cost 70k+?
Can u tell my why KSG when equipped with shield make you move slow?
The logic is price of the gun = it's performance. Meaning the more the expensive the gun the better you can use it.
So now can u spar using KSG? The answer is no.
Can you raid a base using a slow KSG? The answer is no again because you can't dodge the bullets, evn you say that KSG meant to take damage it is not strong enough to compensate for the low damage of the KSG.

Now if Meph would just return the orginal KSG the day it was released then I would say that it will be balanced.

I miss Meph :(

Hopefully Meph would read this thread"...........

Slightly lower the shield freeze rate (when you take it out) to give the user the feel of "blocking" the bullet. Basically, pull out the shield at the last second before the bullet hits you to absorb some damage. With just enough time to recover from the bullet spam. The shield freeze rate nearly has a freeze rate of a Peacemaker which is a long freeze rate. Make KSG feel like it's a combat shotgun. With a shield that has some freeze but not a lot of freeze can make the combat more interesting as now you can block bullets to reduce damage.

At least Meph can remove the freeze when the shield is equipped.. It is really pointless that the gun will make you slow if you equipped it..
This gun cost 70k+ it needs to be buffed a little

if you don't like the freeze with the shield then don't use the shield.

The shield is close to a gimmick. The shield has it's uses, but they either need improvement or the shield needs to be more helpful in other situations. The shield can be used to retreat and rush through bullet line and take some damage. The shield can be improved.

At least increase the damge of KSG by 1 .... Hope meph or snk can read this

Wb Cloyd..

how about just decrease the price since it doesn't seem right to your complaining ass

Please do decrease price

Also what kind of shield is a sheild that dosen't block bullets instead it reduces damage. Might as well change the sheild to armor.

Yeah, I'm definitely wanting to do something with the KSG.
My plan was to increase the usefulness of the shield, as well as its capabilities as an offensive shotgun.

I was waiting for the shotgun proposal to go into effect, that way I don't have to adjust it twice.
(If the PBP changes, I'll have to alter everything else in the shotgun category accordingly).

I'm off tomorrow, I'll see if I can download Graal on my wife's computer and play with the KSG.
My computer's broken as of yesterday- I'm foruming from my NOOK HD+.

Gonna get it fixed ASAP, because my wife doesn't let me do 5-hour Sparring/PKing/Basing/Gang Spar sessions on her computer. :(
She also doesn't let me Skype+Graal on her PC, which is half the fun.

Yeahhhh, getting that thing fixed, soon.

Thanks for the input fellas.

Thanks for the update man,

please change the graphic too.

No I <3 the graphic.

Looking forward to that Meph.. Hope you can fix it as fast as possible :)

I know you're a man of your word... Thanks and good job

Tbh i wouldnt mind if it was just a single shot (slug shot) gun that did like 10 damage per shot but had some freeze so that is wasn't like a cheap bar. Idk, as long as it's usable just don't make it like the other shotguns that are just a spam, mega high damage, mega high freeze sort of gun, i want to actually be able to spar with this gun

10dmg = rip off for a slug. 20 damage then your good to go

i love the gfx of the KSG, thanks sam.

I want to change it to my new one

seems legit

Whats with all these new players joining the forums and posting useless stuff recently

Excellent question!

What's wrong with the current KSG gfx?

I dont like it

I re did it and re ganied it, if you wanna see the new on its in my gun thread

I AGREE WITH SAM

Your gun looks nicer Sam. Might as well change the current ksg to yours.

I've noticed the KSG graphics have changed.. Hopefully the stats would improve too..

Fix the gani. If you shoot with the shield, the bullets come out from the shield. Not from the gun.

Thats not todo with the gani, thats part of the script

KSG's awesome now :D I'm actually tempted to buy it now. Much more of a challenge to face it in spar. Nice buff and gfx change :)

what got buffed?

I think KSG got buffed. Was facing it in spar today and it did 8 damage when it used to do like 3 lol.

Wasn't the KSG held on the right side of the character? Why was the gun moved to the left side but the bullet spawn did not get moved. It's even more weird seeing bullets fly out from a shield.
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KSG felt like it got a nerf. The shield hasn't been tested yet, but the damage remains unchanged but more freeze rate was added to the gun. Both when firing with or without a shield. KSG feels much slower than before when shooting with the shield.

Its always 8 damage, im just pro with it lol, its actually hard to use

It hasnt been changed at all stat wise, and yes the shield and gun are on different sides because the gani was completely redone, all it requires is for the bullets placement script values to be changed, its not a hard fix

Also if you think the fire rate has been nerfed, then i dont think youve tested it enough, its faster than any other shotgun and i think faster than some of the assault rifles

All that was changed was the graphic lol

I didn't say fire rate. It's the freeze rate. :P Fire rate got unchanged. Freeze rate is how long your character pauses upon shooting.

You said more freeze when firing

As i said, the stats havent been changed

The KSG stats is still the same.. Only the graphics have changed...
Hopefully Meph or any high admins would mind to take their time and improve it soon
This gun is awesome but the downside is this gun require a lot of skill to use..

Still not worth for its price :(

The bottom line is it cannot compete with other gun especially in spar

Bumping this thread so that Meph will be reminded of this :)

I'm pretty sure he said his computer was broken and he's been playing iZone on an iPad.

i saw meph on era yesterday

Meph, snk?

Any improvement on the gun?
Pls make an update especially to Meph or snk. I know you're busy right now in implementing the new trade system but you must first check this thing...