Petition: Nerf the OP guns
 

Meph suggested we could create a petition for being against the over powered guns. Maybe this would work.
(PBP, Souizen and the BAR.)

If you want these guns nerfed, simply post "I agree to this petition and believe the guns stated above should be nerfed" or something similar.

"I agree to this petition and believe the guns stated above should be nerfed"

ps. nerf the shipka too

*But asking for specific guns to be nerfed is ridicoulous, as that is all what you guys are losing against to. The bar,shipka,pbp,souizen are high-priced, so have to be 'better' (stats-wise) then other guns. Remember the m4 was hella OP for almost 2 years. And they didn't nerf it because players would cry, but finally did.
Ask for a better gun balance, not nerfs.(If all guns are good...its better than have some good guns, some bad guns).
I'd like perfect gun balance rather than nerfs on so called 'op' guns.

We just would end up with tons of players complaining that their guns got nerfed.
It´d be a scam in my opinion. (Making them pay 100-200k for a good gun and nerf it after)
So no.

No thanks

No, no.. did you read my thread ? That is (in my opinion) the best way to fix this, just make the difference smaller.

And they would be given a partial refund :)

How I see it;
If all guns were op/good, it'd be better. Now like layerd said, nerfing high-tier guns is ?eh. I mean you understand why the bar is 'better' (stats-wise) than a m4? 50k//200k.
Nerfing does not help IMPO, buffing all the low-tier guns, to challenge high-tier guns is what it should be.(because than it'd be a question of style/preference, people that do not have 200k would use a m4, and people that like the bar (clip,dmg etc...) would use the bar)).


*Well I disagree if this wasn't what you mean, then.

Just no.

Those who are wanting the shipka, PBP, BAR, and souizen are usually those who don't have one. It may seem unfair losing to a BAR or PBP when you're using a M4 or a Sten, but theirs a big difference in price as well, typically a higher price is better quality.
So instead of complaining about how losing to a BAR or PBP is unfair and how you don't have one because you don't have the money to buy gralat packs with real money, just earn yours through the game itself. It may seem like it takes a long time to earn a BAR through digging or trash picking but it actually doesn't. I've seen people dig for a bar and it took on average 2-3 weeks to do, sure it's time consuming but if the gun will help you out so you fill like you can have fair fights then get started on earning your own. The game isn't fully centered on gralat packs.

no, but digging for three weeks straight isn't really "fun". Okay then I got a bar- but spamming that thing is literally the last thing I want to do... I don't even think it's fun 0.0

Any sort of work isn't "fun", it was never meant to be "fun" nor will it ever be "fun". Digging is a way of earning your items without wasting money on a game.

And no one said anything about spamming the BAR really, but it does have a high fire rate and a low freeze, and it is 10 damage, but the gun is 200K gralats. Not all players technically "spam" the bar every second they use it anyways.

No, but a game is supposed to be fun, and killing your thumbs by digging three weeks straight is just bull****. And I know what digging is, thanks.

I do now then- the bar does spam. Read my thread how it should be in my opinion.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...erpowered+guns

No.

They aren't even really 'overpowered' I die just as easily as someone with an m4

Or reduce the price of BAR, shipka and PBP and buff the underpowered guns

I'd rather have lots of cheaper guns then I few "OP" ones. So I sign the petition also

Scamming is legal,

"I agree to this petition and believe the guns stated above should be nerfed"

Im so damn tired of people that are bad hiding behind there bars and pbp thinking they are so pro when they use a overkill gun.

Better to scale stats such as health and speed better than to change the gun stats now ~

You're all entitled to your own opinions - if you disagree with me, that's fine. I don't like the current situation, as do a few others. Please keep this thread reasonably tidy.

What's going to happen is:
People with so called "OP" guns will oppose the poll
People who can't afford them will support it.
It's not going to be unanimous, i for one don't support it as it's unfair to change the stats of a very pricey gun, there's a reason why it's pricey, you know.

Yes, because they're OVER POWERED. There's a reason people buy them over other guns.

Completely agree with Layerd and Lavaclaw. I also say no for those reasons.

Here's another long read, fellas. Enjoy.

Better-- but not by such a margin as the BAR is.
Back in 2004, Era had expensive guns, that were the same tier(stat-wise) as the other guns.

They controlled the stock of the gun. When a new gun was released, only 15 of them were in stock. The first fifteen people to buy it got it.(It would be the equivalent of about 100 in stock on iEra player count).

People still bought the gun; and everybody wanted to have it. They bought it because it made you look cool to have a rare gun. Guns don't need to be overpowered to be desired. Scarcity works just as well.

In fact, people turned around and paid more for the gun than the shop sold it for, because of player trading. Once a gun was out of stock, it was up to the black market to set the price(player trading). Good times.

I see what you're saying, "close the gap"; per-say.
Which I've done to the guns such as M16, MP40, SMGPK, MK23s-- I've closed the gap on them to better compete with the M4 and Sten. They were a joke when I first got here.

But I'm not going to close the gap further, so they compete with the BAR.
I prefer my guns to require a certain level of skill; which I'm sure a PKer of your stature would agree with.

Not only that, but iEra's mentality of 'pay2win' would have been mind-****ed if I closed the gap this far. The BAR users would rage so hard, I'd fall into the same hole Cloyd fell into. All he was trying to do was make the game require skill-- same as I'm doing. We old schoolers tend to do that, because we remember a time when Era PC required skill; and recognize it as a better experience for the player.

One would have to understand where we're coming from. To be honest, the current M4 stats really don't measure much skill requirement, in my opinion. But it's the level that iEra has been trained to deem appropriate, so I deal with it. Cloyd and I 'grew up' in a time where top-tier guns generally functioned around the stats of the current P90; in terms of freeze. A gun like the M4 would have been considered OP back then.

Indeed; which is why I stated that I would need sufficient player response to even consider this-- no matter how much I support it myself.

Unfortunately, the person in charge of guns when the BAR was released was under the impression that this game should be pay2win.

I support the idea of refunds upon gun changes.
However, there are players that wouldn't have even cared about gralats until they seen a gun that's as powerful as the BAR.

Once I get more guns out that compete with the M4-tier guns, the idea of getting a refund for the BAR would sit much easier-- they'd want to buy a gun that's almost as good, for half the price.
Again- I don't really stand by this theory because in 2004, higher price wasn't based on a gun stats-- it was based on the gun's rarity.

"price = quality" is an entirely new-school notion conjured up by inexperienced iEra Gun Admins that clearly weren't playing prior to 2007.

I agree with you here-- work isn't not supposed to be fun.
You get what you earn.
It requires work regardless. If you're not working for it in-game, then you(or your parents) are working for it IRL and converting it to iTunes credit.

However, I believe more work should be put into learning to fight with a weapon, not the purchase of it.
I was just thinking about suggesting an HP increase today- weird.

You know is funny, in PC Era, I can beat the best player with just a simple mk47 when they have a minigun or a Sten. Why can't I do that on iEra?

Meph, you have a double post going on there.

I vote against a nerf. In my opinion, I think the price=quality ideology is wrong, but has deep roots in iEra. Changing it now would turn players off. Maybe instead the current undesired structure can be used as a skeleton. Maybe those "rare, same-tier" guns can be introduced slowly in the future. Since its all we've known, I've grown accustomed to price=quality.

My only opposition to those "rare" guns are how they are handled now. The pink m4, golden Uzi, etc... They are almost never seen. And if the auction is the place to find them, it's still pay to win. Lame.

Anyway, my answer is no. Nerfing will hurt the game and it's not worth doing to please everyone.

I've ran it across Snk before, I believe he said we'd have to ask Stefan in regards to it, though i'm sure you'd be able to push the argument better than myself for it, bumping it to atleast 75 would suffice for the time being, it would allow guns to be modified much better.

My other idea was allowing for a 0.5 damage system, aka 2.5 damage etc, this also means we can differ guns more easily instead of having them either one number or the other.

Easy way to nerf all the op guns without "nerfing" them.

Increase health.
Buff all guns, with the lesser guns gaining more improvements.

Example (dramatized to demonstrate the concept, not suggest a planned improvement):
Max Health: 75
Bar: 10 base damage, no changes to other stats
M4: 9 base damage, no changes to other stats
Famas: 8 base damage, higher rate of fire, increased spread
Handgun: 7 base damage, increased spread (even more spread dual wield)

Current Hits to Kill: (Bar)6:13(Handgun)
Example Changes: (Bar)8:11(Handgun)

Not all guns would receive damage buffs (ie Famas) to add variety and help disguise the nerfs.

No. Layerd, Graal943, and LavaClaw said it best. Don't nerf the guns. They're reasonable for their insanely high price.

Nerf bar and pbp. M4 is not the basic basing gun. Its now bar and pbp

Lol, "reasonable". Read this :p

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...erpowered+guns

Im sick and tired of this bullshiit that happens in graal with weapons. Everyone is too damn scared of change. The bar was nerfed once people still used it alot. It had a higher freeze so what? It still dominated in bases it just made it harder to use.

You bar and pbp owners are too fking scared that you wont dominate anymore. Nerf the OP guns. Fk snk fk stefan and unixmad. Screw them and **********ing off to money. Its for the best of era and you know it is. Old timers will come back to graal because it will be fun. All the nubs who are dumbasses and wont switch weapons will cry about it and leave. People will still buy ****loads of itunes just to get auction items and other guns. The gap MUST be closed up. At least so you can stand a chance against a BAR with a 7 damage gun. Pbp needs to go back to low rof low freeze and no stacked damage. They were better that way anyways. Meph wa hired to FIX the gun balancing crisis. To fix it bar and pbp are a major part in it. Mephs job will NEVER be done until he fixs the BAR and pbp

Also this price = higher quality = BULLSHIIT

Example.
A barreta 50caliber = about 10,000$ on the current market
A m4 = 800$
Sure the barreta hits much much much harder than a m4 but a m4 is a better weapon since its automatic, reliable, low recoil, easy to use, and larger clip size.

We all have opinions and i don't laugh at yours. I've read your thread before and i'm not interested in reading it a second time. I'm just voicing my position.

You're wrong. The 50cal is a heavy sniping rifle. You couldn't use an m4 as an equal or better sniper! It depends on the damn use, not whether you're equipped with the best weapon for close combat. The 50cal still packs a stronger impact, which makes it supreme. You can't attack a base if you've been taken out a mile and a half before arriving.

Price=Quality is simply old and rooted. Maybe removing it suddenly will create a vortex of bigger problems.

No im not saying as a sniper. Hell no lmao barreta beats m4 in that. Im talking about a real combat situation. I would trust w automatic rifle over a bigass, heavy, hard to aim gun.

Well, anyway, I own a Pbp and don't use it all the time. My Thompson is a bar killer. The game is already being balanced. I suggest just letting Meph continue with his work.

i dont really give a damn because you guys have nerfed every other gun

I don't give a damn because I just content with what I have

no thank you :dazed:

yes agreed it will create more problems but at the same time i see what u mean it will be more fair for newer players i personally dont think its a good idea to change anything around with the guns mabe make players with under 5 hours life bigger just a suggestion :P

No.

Now generally, people dislike the idea of pay2win. To the point though, I'm happy that it's at least possible to win with any weapon (excluding 1 clip artillery weapons) despite low tier vs high tier is not a balanced match up. Interestingly, new players may get the idea that you can beat any gun using a BAR so they buy the BAR from the start. Honestly, BAR can be easy if the player doesn't spar very well.

There used to be this one gun that seemed like a GOD weapon. That was the Shipka before Cloyd's nerf. A freeze rate of a handgun,(current one) a rate of fire of an m4, the damage of an m4, the ability to shoot 2 bullets at once, an arguably huge clip size, a fast reload, and is roughly half priced of a BAR. That weapon I was glad it was nerfed. Whether I had a Shipka or not. Everyone would buy a Shipka so that you become nearly unbeatable. The issue here was that Shipka practically gives the enemy at the top area in spar no chance. The highly unbalanced and spammy Shipka was the destruction of skill in Era. BAR was also OP, but Shipka took much less skill to use. That has been resolved now. Shipka eventually got nerfed.

Is era's guns balanced? Not really. Is it possible to beat BAR with Starter Guns? Yes, it will take all the courage and concentration you can get but be prepared for a long match if your enemy knows what he is doing. If you know how to counter rushers, then best of luck into beating the BAR. Be glad that you know have a speed boost that can help turn the tides of battle.

Face it, the OP gun is the reason most people who don't have it even try to make money anymore. If everything was equal, the use of certain features of the game would become futile and irrelevant, so believe it or not, the OP guns actually benefit era as an economy.

Those high priced guns are balanced. Souizen isn't even good enough for a nerf,I mean it's decent,but not OP,and if you think Shipka is op you got problems. The only gun that is OP is PBP.I don't get why on this game people always complain about OP weapons,try Era PC,people have guns 10x your gun's speed when you first start,yet no one complains.

Besides it's not only era,every other game,if you're able to earn ****,you get better ****... I spend so long digging and now the really good weapons are on the urge of being nerfed,that's bull.. I think the game is fairly balanced as is,considering I have all shop weapons and I only use sten yet I don't get owned by a PBP/BAR/Souizen/Shipka to the point where I think they're unbalanced,as for gralat packs,I think those should gtfo so people work for their stuff,but Stefan and all... If there was no gralat packs there would be very few really good guns roaming around.

Sorry but i'm against. All the people who spent itunes (not talking for me as i never bought packs) are going to be frustrated etc.

I think the guns are pretty expensive on the whole, but most Iphone games are like that, they all have expensive items they'll take you days of farming to get or weeks / months.

Increasing HP would make it much better to compete with the higher damage guns, being able to take more hits than dying in 6.
Bases are pretty small so it's hard to even compete with high damage guns, but why not use grenades, tactical shields and actually work as a team to get past?

5 hits ;p.
And most bases have shallow passages where you can spam a bar or shipka in, and when using a tactical shield it's still no use since you're still dead within 5 seconds, literally..

i vote nerf the PBP. Bar needs a freeze nerf and everyone for some reason is scared of a freeze nerf i dunno why. BAR would still domininate in close quarters, it would just make it harder for the BAR to be more mobile.

Anyways IMO whats best for the game overrides players opinion.

A HP increase to 100 would help a bunch to balance out the game, a BAR would be 18 damage, this way it would STILL be the most dominate gun, but weapons that are 8 damage would be increased to 15 damage. BAR still will deal the most damage but it would be taken down from its current 5 shot 1 kill to a 6 shot one hit kill and the gap would be closed big time, also the best part about this system is that it will still feel like the current HP system of all guns take at least 6 hits. The two guns that would be the 5 hit kill would be tardus and neo rifle both at 20-22 damage.

Thoughts?

Ha the shield is the equivelent to a cardboard shield, it does nothing

...But not for all the players. Obviously, it's impossible to please everyone. The majority of Era don't own these guns. Era is supposed to be fun, right now, it's not.

Bar and PBP definately need a nerf. Don't make all guns balanced as that would ruin the purpose of getting a better gun. But have gaps between guns. But the gap can't be so large that 2 guns can dominate pking basing spar etc.

or just do this
i just noticed with this system, the PBP would have to go down to 3 damage so it would be 14 in good shape upgraded it would be 19, i could deal with shotguns if this was implace and this system would be the fastest way to balance out all the weapons. To determine how much heals heal its just the current heal x2 (bed heals 5hp with this it would heal 10)

IF this was implace then damages would look like this (all in GOOD shape)
Neo = 20 damage
tardus = 22 damage
9 dmg = 18 damage
8 damage = 15 damage
7 = 14 damage
6 damage = 13 damage
5 dmg = 12 dmg
4 dmg = 11
3 = 10
2 = 9
1 = 8

A big NO!

Close this thread it will only start flame, plus it's unfair to the people who got BAR, PBP And shoizen as they paid a lot...

And no this guns are not OP it all depends on the wielder, I myself owned shoizen, bar and pbp with a tec9 in spars..


Kid, practise on your skills then complain :/ anyone who is good at using guns can own any of this weapons you mentioned.

Crazy suggestion but next time, maybe use a poll?

I like this idea, but if this doesn't happen (hp increase) I would suggest the bars reload freeze/time be increased, and the pbp's Dmg be capped at 15