Bar and other overpowered guns.
 

Hey- as many of iEra's players know iEra became (in my opinion atleast) pay to win in a way. Guns like the BAR, souizen, pbp and shipka have a big advantage over cheaper guns. I think this is pretty unfair as not everyone is willing to spend money on in-app purchases or dig for atleast a full week. That's why I'm just asking to nerf them in order to restore balance, and make iEra more fun again.

In order to let even the bar users understand my point of view I made a little graph, which I'm going to explain now:

Red: The "overpowered" guns as they are now;
Blue: The guns how they should be in my opinion;
Green: This part of the graph is supposed to be both red and blue, in which case I made it green to avoid confusion;
Yellow; The end of the graph, this would symbolise the "perfect" gun, no freeze, huge fire rate etc. (located far right upper corner and the end of the blue line under it, and the two ends of the graph)

The X axis (horizontal) is how "good" a gun is;
The Y axis (vertical) is the price of the gun.

As you notice the red line, so how it is now, is a straight line. The more you pay, the better the gun you buy is. What I want is to equalize all guns so a more expensive gun, as the price increases gets better less and less, so that a 200000 gralat gun won't be thát much better than for instance a 150000 gralat gun. You see this back in the blue line; it bends off horizontally.

I really think this would help alot to improve iEra's gameplay as everything would depend more on skill, instead on overpowered weapons.
Any thoughts?

What it really boils down to in the end is that every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages, I personally don't find most guns OP if you take into consideration their price. But they've dug them selves into a hole when releasing "OP" expensive guns because, they wouldn't want to reduce their price and nerf the guns stats or even just nerf the guns stats. If they were nerfed with no reduction in price then people would whine, if they were nerfed with a reduction in price but no one was refunded their $ they would whine and if you were to do all that and refund their money the game would lose income in a way.

I don't see how the game would lose income, it's just fair. What I tried to say with the graph is to nerf them, but don't adjust (or just a tiny bit) the prices. Give refunds for those who bought it (not full ones, just a part). Amd if you can give me any disadvantages of the souizen that'd be great because I personally can't think of any...

no, just no.

pay2win

I knew replies like this would come, maybe you could give arguments like I did because to me you're now just being an imbecile. Why not, just not?

Yeah and that's exáctly what I'm trying to even out, that pay2win isn't as attractive as gaining skill :)

Butthurt bar user who knows he will suck when bar gets nerfed

Anyways
Bar and other weapons are getting out of hand. Bar and pbp IMO souizen is not OP. Like it ornot, every good game has a pay2win type thing exp Battlefield3. You dont need to give them a cent to win i have no spent a cent on them and i still whoop ass on it. But they do gove premium members DLC and new weaponry.

A OP gun has no disadvantages. The bar and pbp really have no disadvantages. All the bar and pbp queers are going to start rage posting NO BAR AND PBP ARE FINE. They think it is because they use them. Try only using a m4 or any other gun. ITS NOT FAIR. Pking has turned from skill into the richest person will ge the most kills. Bar needs to have a major freeze nerf. Pbp needs that no damn stacked damage crap. Just go back to original shotguns.
Im getting extremley tired of this v

The 12-clip and reload are the major drawbacks I believe. Not that I have one..

The worst thing about the souizen.

Nerf pbp

Ya those are it's only drawbacks lol (I do have one). Back to how the game would lose money (in a way) it's basically because people would get that $ back and they wouldn't have to buy more packs for new stuff. hard for me to explain xD

I get your point, but they'll lose way more money if people would quit because they dislike the game. And I don't think that a 12-clip is that a big of a "drawback", the lack of freeze and fire rate make up for that big time :p

IMO bar is underpriced... it should be 400k for a LMG that is used as a assult rifle in this game with low freeze super fast reload, wide spread, high damage, and a large clip. a 200k BAR should be, high freeze, high damage, lower accuracy (this is a LMG, LMGs have bad accuracy due to the fact that they are big and have a lot of blowback), slower reload, high damage,

IN general graal should start catagorizing weapons

handguns - low damage, high ROF, ok accuracy, low freeze, fast reloads
SMG's - high rof, medium damage, bad accuracy, low freeze, fast reloads
Assult rifles - good damage, good accuracy, medium freeze, high rof, medium reloads
Heavy assult rifles - high damage, high accuracy, medium freeze, medium rof, medium reloads
LMG's - low accuracy, high freeze, high rof, slow reloads, good-high damage
Rifles - low clip- good-100% accuracy, low freeze, high damage, fast rof

As you probably already know, I'm with you on this.
I'd love to nerf BAR to having only the advantage of damage, and lower the fire rate.
I'd also love to have the souizen's fire rate nerfed, and leave it with the advantage of low freeze.

If it weren't for the potential player complaints, this would have been done back in August.
I encourage you to start a petition, poll, or something that gives backbone to the idea of nerfing the OP guns. I'll even sign it myself, or vote in favor of it.

But I won't do it without sufficient support. That would only cause me to go the route of Cloyd, and get fired for trying to add more emphasis on skill.

Frankly, I don't care if somebody paid $100 for a gun. I care about a player of lesser skill overpowering a skilled player just because he's got money to blow. This should never happen.

Another problem is who would decide what is overpowered and what isn't. Some such as bar and pbp are quite clearly overpowered but others such as shipka it's harder to tell.

Imma do this.

I somewhat agree that one or two guns may need to be changed but I think refunds need to be offered if the changes are big, as it isn't exactly fair for someone to buy a gun and then it be made crap. Guns range from like 100 gralats to 200,000 gralats for a reason.

They'd get a refund, of course. But having a gun like a BAR isn't fair either, so something has to change. Of course the bar should be way better than the starter pistol- but that doesn't mean it should have the stats like it has now. (same for other guns alike the BAR)

Idk why you ppl whine about BAR stats,I've seen players beat BARs in spar with a sten,then you will start another thread implying to nerf sten.

And if they do get the BAR and souizen nerfed,well then add a speed boost to the game,it's ridiculous how ppl desperately try to bottom hug.

Dude of course, I beat bar 9/10 too, but now people with over 40000 spar wins (EP, but junz and goblin use bar often too) are using it. They are skilled already and with that weapon it's just not even fun ;p

Agreed.
 

I agree with this. (aside from the kids who buy the over priced guns by stealing mommys credit card) Who really wants to spend 100 dollars on a pixel gun?

A good player can defend against any gun. Remember that before you cry for nerfs. I'm sick of hearing about this "balance" bullsh*t. They need to STOP changing weapons after the fact. It's defrauding to the players who worked hard to earn gralats to buy them.

I own a BAR which I dug for before the shovels got nerfed (yeah I know, this didn't officially happen. Whatever). Some other BAR owners can beat me, some can't. Some PBP owners beat me, some can't.

If you can't beat a BAR or PBP, practice dodging or play games with your parents.

since i own both now , and use both (i like the bar to troll XP and yea i bought it with real money, want to fight about it?) , i must say BAR has its disadvantages, the freeze is enough on a bar for a skilled M4 or sten user or even dual eagles to compete with, its true, i actually feel disadvantaged in some cases with the BAR compared to when i was only using M4. each gun has its own advantages and disadvantages but i will say this:

if anyone plans on nerfing bar they better refund me half of what i paid, and also decrease the price as well for future users.

i really found it isnt as all cracked up as i thought it would be. the real difference is the ability to spam doorways in bases and mow down people, thats all.

an upgraded M4 is 9 damage, and upgraded bar is 10. i still feel better with an upgraded M4 then i do with a bar.

You're going to throw that out there not even having any explanation or valid evidence? I use the sten more than the BAR, but i bet you'll think otherwise because you seem special in certain ways. I said no b/c it's a P2P game and that i've seen many people beat a BAR or PBP user easily. There is weapon considered a so called 'OP' gun, only Technique and Experience with one. Obviously someone will say holding a fully-auto in a doorway shows no skill, but that just tells me that you're awful at the game you can't counter it. =]

I'm pretty sure Wabbit can own you,stupid baser..

You guys are stupid,I don't use PBP or don't even own a Souizen. And I never use BAR because I don't usually pk/base.PBP I have to admit it's strong in spar because of the close-quarters. Pretty OP,but Bar can easily be juked out due to its unusual freeze,and souizen is already pretty bad for a rare gun,12 clip and reloads like a Grandpa..

Then I'd really like to spar you; I'm fairly certain I know what I'm talking about, and that I don't have to become any better at spar to be able to say something like this.

If you nerf the guns, one gun will still be better then the rest. Then you guys want that gun nerfed and so on until every gun does 1 damage, shoots 2 bullets per minute, has bad accuracy to the point the bullet shoots in the opposite direction of the weapon, and every gun would have the freeze of an Ak47 :]. The souizen,bar,and shipka should not be nerfed(pbp should get a damage drop off) because of their high prices. The guns were given there stats because of the difference in price with other guns. Also its obvious that a player with a 2k gun could not beat a player with the same skill set if their opponent had a 55k gun. The reason the weapons are given stats is to separate them.
Of course most players would want the gun with the best stats, if every player could obtain them at once their would be no need for a variety of weapons.



For example: Souizen vs M16

The souizen and the m16 have the same rof and damage as well as a similar spread. The only difference i have noticed is the freeze, the M16 is 15k and many people have bought the souizen for more than 100,000 graalats. If you nerf the souizens rof then all it has is freeze on its side. If you nerf the souizen why not nerf the 15k weapon that has the same exact speed? Or the cheap ak47 that has the same speed? Or the 85k gun the thomson that has the same speed? Or the 200k weapon the BAR that has the same speed? Or the 30k weapon the skorpion that has the same speed? Or the 4.9k gun the water gun that has the same speed? Nerf the souizens damage? What about the 55k m4 that has the same damage? Or the 125k shipka that does the same damage? Or the 65k sten that does the same damage? Or the 15k gun the m16 that does the same damage? Or the 75k Ap0 that does like 10 damage ? All the guns stated have a part of their stats that are similar yet have different prices because they have that one over the top stat that only a few other guns have, and those guns have a draw back aswell.



All i have to say is if your gonna nerf something, nerf the starter gun. Why? Cause after 1 nerf comes another and another till their is a 100k+ gun that has the same stats as a 100 graalat pistol.

you must be one of those l33t kids who walks around with all the expensive guns?

Nope, I got all my expensive guns (except souizen,ksg,thomson, and m4) from snk because my account got stolen and the players weapons were given to me as his punishment. You simply choose to try and insult me with statements that were written around 5 years ago as an attempt to have a group of people to support you. I believe the reason you said what you did is because you simply did not understand my dilemma, now I shall break this down in a more simple version.

Say era has only 3 guns, the poopershmooper, the explosivo, and the bamnchicowowwow. The poopershmooper is 2k the explosivo is 3k and the bamnchicowowwow is 90k. The pooper does 4 damage high freeze and is slow. The explosivo does 5 damage has high freeze and is fast, were as the bamnchicowowwow does 5 damage has low freeze and is fast. If they nerf the bamnchicowowwow to 4 damage low freeze and gets a lower rof. The explosivo is better but is cheaper, so then everyone wants that nerfed. The explosivo now does 4 damage, high freeze and is very slow. Everyone says "hey why is the pooper as strong as the rest of the guns that have higher prices, NERF IT!" Then the bamnchicowowwow and the explosivo will be nerfed cause its stronger than the pooper . Then the pooper gets nerfed cause its stronger and so, the cycle continues

What the hell is going on here?

I didn't say I was better than anyone or that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't spar. Never have. I pk bases so that's where I'm drawing my statement of a good player can defend against any gun. That wasn't a challenge but feel free to start shooting if you see me :)

Sorry man. She IS better than you.

How do you know?

Never said I was better; I challenged her. And even then, how do you know?

Also, this is untrue, I can take on one bar or one pbp, but that's sadly never the case. It's always 3 pbps, a bar ánd a souizen defending a base. And alot of bases have shallow passages and in the time I take out two people and I'm busy with the third they already have spawned and kill me with two pbp blasts. And yes, then I cán't defend myself.

Nicely said, I agree with Engel about the narrow-ness.
Now please, keep this thread civil - and don't turn it into a hate thread about who owns what gun and who can kick who's ass. 'Cause we all know, I can kick all your asses.
End of story.

this thread so petty.