Palestine or Israel?
 

We can't pretend this isn't a massive global issue so here's a super controversial thread for you all to debate about. I'm staying neutral here but if any of you want to voice your opinion on who to support go right ahead. I'll leave a poll open for people that don't want to debate.

"Both" means you don't support either side and you just want them to stop fighting.
"Palestine" means you support Palestine's actions
"Israel" means you support Israel's actions.

Yeh, this is pretty controversial, buti believe both should have equal rights to the resources they are fighting over. Just my opinion, I know the back story and what not, I think it's fair that both sides get equal share.

they both should just go out and kill eachother, we all know its gonna happen anyway, the middle east is filled with wars and conflict, all it takes is someone to go too far, then the big powers can take them out.

neither, all they ever do is fight, it's really pretty immature.

I don't care for either one of them.
I would personally be completely unaffected if they blew each other to pieces.

Israel was wrong from 1948 to today.
Main reasons I believe and why I do believe so.
Israel killed civilians of Palestine (ex. Woman, Children, Men) which in my case was unneeded.
Although, I do not see Israel as wrong. Logically, if your 'god' is telling you to do something, you're going to do it, or you're going to hell or etc.
And followed by the Bible, Palestinians have all rights to be mad at the Jews.
As for the British(I believe) were the ones who gave the Jews the weapons to defend themselves; which eventually leading to the 6 day war of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The British government had no rights to just divide of part of Israel and give it to the Jews in the first place, they never stopped to think for the people living in those areas they gave. Palestinians have all rights to genocide, in my opinion. It IS their land, after all.

An opinion. Politely correct me If I said something historically incorrect or something that offends you.

I love Pimpsy's discussion threads. They provide an intelligent place for debate and a good read whether you join in or not.

Anyway, although I don't know the exact details of the conflict at the moment, I know the (primarily religious) reason for the conflict, although it's progressed to the point where revenge is also a reason. It seems stupid, fighting over a piece of land which, if studied a bit, isn't even the best place for farming or looking for resources, except maybe oil. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Israel is backed up by the US and other world powers, they wouldn't be messing with the Palestinians in the first place. The killing of the residing Palestinians is simply unnecessary, and if I remember correctly, Israel bombed Egypt first last week, which was also unnecessary. Sure, they killed a man who was a leader of one of their various enemies, but the collateral damage should've been considered as well.
On the religious side of the conflict, both sides are going against what their religions teach. They are killing many people for idiotic reasons, usually justified by some half-assed "We're doing it for (place deity here)" excuse and expect to get away with it, which sadly, they do. Then again, this is referring to the extremists that do everything.

Again, I'm not sure of the full details at the moment. If someone could correct me if I said anything incorrect, it would be appreciated.

I can't say either has a rightful cause. In the end it will always be over land. If the two were to go to war Israel could easily take Palestine, but not without the possibility of the Muslim nations working together to fight Israel. Not to mention the U.S. and UK would get involved as they are major supporters of Israel since it's establishment after WWII.


Perhaps you would care if Iran were to join in the fighting. as they would also support anti-Israel/U.S. sentiments. The possibility that they could indeed hold Nuclear weapons would give anyone worry.

Well I believe to my knowledge I am the only Palestinian member of this forum. My answer should be obvious. I do NOT support the extermination of all Jews on this planet. But the fact the Jews believe that they are entitled to land that God gave them is absurd. God is not a real estate agent. The U.S. of the A is bending over and taking it up the ass by Israel.

You're also forgetting the UN and UK. I guess you could also include NATO as well. All being bosses by Israel one tiny nation.

To really understand this topic, you need to study WW1.

The fact that Israel is controlling the UN! They are the ones (and its allies such as the USA) who are denying Palestine statehood! What is wrong with that? The Jews are taking Palestinian land and building settlements. Thousands expelled from their homes all in the name of God they say!

Yugoslavia could also be an instance of Genocide intervention by NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 but action wasn't taken until 1998.


I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves, however I do not support actions of taking another countries land. Unless it is out of a counter to aggression toward Israel.

This happened in various other times of history. My knowledge on that war in Yugoslavia is very limited beyond GTA 4. Also I said WW1 because its really what started it all.

Israel picks on the smaller people. Hamas rockets are very weak. When Israel shoots from their damn high-tech fighter planes they increase civilian casualties. The number of deaths in Israel is 4 still. Palestinian injuries are much higher than Israelis injuries.
**** the IDF I don't care if they DO warn civlians to leave or not.

.....so...because one side is shooting missiles that are not super destructive, its okay and the other side cant use high tech fighter planes....


seriously, ill be all the happier when all the people in the middle east end up blowing eachother up. once one side goes too far, and a major power uses its force.....yea they are ash piles.

Yep shooting ****ty rockets VS killing over a hundred innocent people.

Well it's not like they are shooting less advanced missiles to lower the death toll... You shoot rockets at a place they are going to fight back. You attack a world power and they will drop a bunch of advanced bombs and aerial strikes on you...

Fighting is bad, no matter what the circumstances. Defending yourself to an extent is okay, I think, but you should never just continue it. You should at least try to bring peace.

In this case, I don't really understand what's going on. So, Israel and Palestine have been fighting for quite a while, over land, right? Like, since WW1? And the US are funding Israel?

I don't care unless Hamas starts causing trouble at my country's borders.

Americans are such hypocrites lol.
"OMG THEY SHOULD NOT BE TAKING OTHER PEOPLES LAND!"

Okay US History time
-Christopher Columbus "discovers" America.
-The "white man" takes land from the Natives
that in itself just makes any american who's only thought is "taking land is bad" a hypocrite if you like living here.
not to mention the going to Africa and getting slaves part of American history as well.

Later on, the Rebels fight off the Red Coats, taking land from the British in the name of America.

Fighting in my opinion is dumb. Why should people die fighting for something they will never see because they are dead? People just cant be civilized and talk it out and share like in kindergarten. I guess in their point of view however, they die for something they believe in. Would rather die for a cause than be a lost one.

Also if you are saying you don't care about this war, you are an idiot. This WILL affect you in the long run because whoever has control over that part of the world has control of most of our foreign oil. I dunno about you but I'd rather not be paying $8 a gallon. Also allies of the US could get involved which may force our hand to lend military support may it be guns or man, adding more bloodshed to our names. But yknow, we sit here in our houses and beds at night, and not give a **** about the people living off eating rodents and sleeping in the mud thinking that is something called comfortable.

All in all, I hate the American way of thinking, I hate war, and I hate being old enough to understand that these too are people, who fight for something they believe in, like George Washington or MLK fought for freedom.

I don't pick a side in this war however.

Palestine. Israel were granted a piece of land and now they want more. Seriously.
Also, Palestine are fighting with machine guns and rifles while Israel are using tanks and rockets obviously from America.
That's just my view, of course.

But Palestine shouldn't attack them with their weak rockets then get owned and complain in the first place.

Neither should've attacked in the first place, it's just a silly piece of land. People shouldn't need to die over such a stupid conflict.

Could someone answer this please? I want to make sure I actually know what's happening before I post my opinion. Also I'd use google but I think hearing it from actual people would be better.

I don't really like israel personally, it kills us Christians in my country.
It also burned up the KFC =[

The U.S. is apart of the UN and is only one of the backers of Israel. They are not alone in this situation therefore they shouldn't take all the hate. The U.S. is not backing Israel over land simply it's defense. Not sure where the idea of land and the U.S. came from. I agree my country has a bad history on land claims, and will always be hated there, but that is what man does. Since the idea that a stone could strike one down. Slaves were also in the business before America was established and after. We even fought a civil war indirectly over it and lost over 600,000 lives over this. Had we not fought a civil war our nation may still be divided over slavery. Had we not fought for independence the UK may have continued it's expansion. Had we not continued west, then another superpower would have in our place, had we not fought in WWI then more European lives would have been lost, had we not fought in WWII then Europe may have fallen to Germany. The only war I disapprove of is Vietnam and the extension of our current fighting in the Middle East. There is more history to your lesson than you think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...inian_conflict
Have fun reading

I pretty much agree with everything you said there apart from the last 2 points. Even though I'm not American I still support the Vietnam war. It was an oppurtunity to stop the spread of communism and to stop a tyrant seizing power there. Also currently the public of many large countries are saying we should help improve lives for people in the Middle East but disaprove of the wars. These wars are the only way to secure a future for those people and make sure tyrants and extremeists don't get power.

Back on the topic of Israel and Palestine, I think it's hard to say you support one side here. I personally support Israel because I believe they have a stronger argument. But thats just my opinion and I'm not an expert on this topic.

You say Israel has a stronger argument. What is Israel's argument to you?

Hahahaha!!! All you ignorant fools don't know a damn thing your saying. Such a useless 3rd person bystander discussion going on. Only person who is really being truthful to themselves is Rexx for admitting that he doesn't care because he's not a part of it.

some people in the graal community live close to where this is all happening, so to say that is stupid imo.

Better to just let past history decide who is right and who is wrong.

So, nuke the place and end it.

only if we can tie you to the nuke higbey :)

Seriously you're taking this **** as a joke and it's seriously ****ing annoying.

generalizing entire west/south asia based on semetic stereotypes itt

either way don't really care. neither is in the right and both sides are guilty of war crimes. israel was heavily supported by the US media but their "victim" card is starting to slip away, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

it doesn't affect 99.99% of us in the end, so whatever

Sick demon! Go to your room and rethink what you just said!

That they deserve that land so they will fight for it.

You sound pretty ignorant there. Everyone in the world is affected by this. If the Middle East continues to have problems then oil prices go up. This affects big Western powers. They then cut aid to third world countries who need help. They can no longer afford to produce so many goods. The world is affected by any small change or big change.

I guess you did not read the part where i said 3rd person bystander. Which is exactly what you and I are. And how your pretending to be the fool that cares. Oh wait, but i bet your next post after this will be "But I DO care!". Awesome bro, good job on jumping in with your 3rd person bystander 3rd rate comments once again!!

Lord Greg...You are so UNFATHOMABLY stupid....I'm in awe. What are you trying to do? Make me "aware" of a larger picture out there? Holy crap! Guess what?! I AM AWARE! But guess what again? I'm human enough...no perhaps more than human enough... to admit that I don't care. Maybe if you looked into the true reasoning as to WHY they are fighting, then maybe you wouldn't be spewing so much crap, and i mean...amazingly beautiful crap, that seems to be coming from your mind. :] Just being nice here.

If you really want to prove me wrong, both you and "jester", do something. DO something in the SMALLEST and SLIGHTEST way to alleviate this situation. Prove your more than just the normal typical human beings who pretend to care but are just selfish people only truly caring when their personal lives are endangered.

But of course, you wont. Instead I already know your just going to post after this and argue against me. Typical.

Why is it that he is the only one speaking with a reasonable mind?

nuke the place, break the dependency on foreign oil using renewable energy, or at least let some stable country own the oil.

Almost all the world's problems can be traced back to Europe. "Sykes treaty? WWII? Whoops, sorry Palestine. Here Zionists, sorry for whay happened back in Germany so that land we promised the Palestinians? Yeah, you keep that. We're miles away and going to make both your country's decisions for you." So much for democracy and independence nowadays...

What makes them deserve that land? One does not simply give away land which people already lived on.

You're* @ rookie

Well don't say JUST Sykes wasn't Picot involved as well? That UN bull**** they said we split OUR land! To make things worse WE got the CRAPPIEST parts. We fight for our land and lose to the Jews. Now they do to us what the Nazis did to them.

Isn't the U.S known for fighting for minorities? If so then why are they STILL supporting Israel? If they pull out funds, Israel would not be able to attack anymore. Maybe the U.S should us that money to help stop the civil war in Syria or help rebuilding the oil rigs in battle scarred areas.

^ I laughed so hard.

He is a demon, why question a minion of pure evil?
Sorry if that was offensive to you Higgs.

im not pure evil, i do have some good in me, i just reserve it for people i like.