9/11 Should Not Be On Graal
 

People may rage me for this but honestly I don't care. 9/11 is a sensitive topic to most Americans today, and it really shouldn't be considered a "holiday" on a game where the playerbase A) Doesn't even remember the event (I am older than most and barely remember it) and B) Aren't mature enough to not try and troll and to take it seriously. Seriously I saw someone running around saying all muslims are, for the sake of quoting "b**** a** sandni***** that don't deserve to live, come blow up my house bro"

My other problem with this is how it was announced.
Quote from GraalOnline Era FB Page "The holiday shop has opened up :)"
This is not a holiday. It is a sad event. The smiley face made it worse too. People died for crying out loud.

Another problem is people have already complained that we celebrate the US events but never events from other countries. I am starting to agree with this. Not once have we celebrated or had a day or remembrance for another country other than Mexico's Cinco De Mayo (which is a bigger deal in america than mexico anyways) My point being it is unfair and it really isn't just to the people who live in other places or who's heritage is elsewhere. This further leads to the insensitive comments made by the playerbase who again, aren't mature enough to just simply put other people's feelings into account.

It is a nice gesture to try and have a day of remembrance, but I think we need to remember this is a game. Political views, Religion and all that grey area crap should stay out of it.

/rant

Agreed. And it doesn't help at all that all these noobs are running around saying "this is a proud day for muslims". The kids don't know what they are talking about. I think they should be jailed for racism...

I'd give rep but the damn thing won't let me

It shouldn't. Lol Higbey gave a smart ass comment (whats new) so I felt like I needed to delete.

Kids..

higbey can try and troll me, I'll summon NYN

Even I was one, of a few staff members, who had said that there shouldn't be anything celebrated tomorrow. x.x


and also "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jester Lapse again"

I agree as well. especially in a game where people are running around killing each other.

Your correct jester. I have seen a couple of players bashing on islam just because of this.

Why are the words "Holiday" and "Celebration" being used in accordance with 9/11? It isn't a ****ing holiday! It's the day America was attacked by terrorists. How about I kill your family, then 11 years later sell goods in celebration of their death. Jesus Christ, who even thought this would be a good idea.

Okay, at least some staff feel this way as well, and it isn't just me noticing this. I think this needs to be the last year this is "celebrated" on era. It really killed my good mood for the day how rude and cruel people can be to each other.

Could not agree more. I haven't had time to get on over the last few days to throw my 2 cents out to the team. I really do not think any sort of souvenirs should be sold (especially is they're just going to be used to scam later). The most appropriate thing we could and should have done was make an announce telling players to keep those who lost their lives that day in their hearts. I also find the whole holiday shop for it ridiculous. Like you said Jester, it is not a holiday; there are no celebrations it's a day of remembering those who died.

why are you saying this when i was the one that got hate for "bitching" about stuff being sold on iera for 9/11 last year and the fact it was brought into the game? i was the one saying these specific holidays or events shouldnt be dragged into the game, much less used to sell items!

He actually did

The most appropriate thing they could of done was nothing, this is a game with a player base of mostly kids which means controversial dates/topics like 9/11 do not need to be addressed, celebrated, or remembered on Graal.

Pretty sure this happened last year, but the lack of common sense still runs rampant on the staff roster.

I agree.

Because if you are going to be a smart ass on a topic about this along with your "Support suicide, cure overpoppulation" stunt, you have lost all respect from me irregardless of what you say or do.

I do not blame staff for this. Not as a whole. As you can see 3 staff members just openly stated they agree with my view on this. I just wish that whoever thought this was a good idea would have thought it through a little more. It honestly looks like they are using this as an excuse to try to make us spend gralats.

I have fond memories of an iClassic staff member having a 9/11 holiday. I warned him, he did it anyway, **** got out of hand and I had to do major damage control.

Keep holidays to commercialised international events (i.e. celebrated by multiple countries).

• Christmas
• Easter
• Valentines Day
• New Years Eve
• Halloween

You may argue that Christmas/Easter is religious but it's commercialised to hell so it doesn't matter so much.

I am fiercely opposed to celebrating National holidays/events (4th July, Canada Day etc.) because do one, you need to celebrate every single god damn holiday ever because players will bitch.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631

lets see what everyone said last year when i talked about it and how they made money by making a shop for 9/11

also, that support suicide crap was just trying to see how far i could actually get players to agree with me, and just to show how opinions get surpressed.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/sear...earchid=416351

apparently I'm a year ahead of the general consensus. Look at what was said then. Look at what was said now. I say it and everyone disagrees, Jester says a year later, everyone agrees

Perfect example of why it shouldn't be on iEra.
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I love how they even get the turban thing confused with it

I...I don't even...*Sigh*

What sickens me the most is that they still solicit these stupid rares to kids in the "holiday shop" and that eras playerbase does not celebrate it as 9/11, instead to them its worldwide flip off a muslim day. Its insensitive and stupid. And to be honest half the kids that are even saying their parents died are merely lying for attention. Sometimes i want to just quit. But these instances are fairly rare. No matter what thread i go to if higbey comments in it imeither too lazy to read his large posts or completely agree with what he says. This thread is an example of that. Back on topic

The kids are getting on my ****ing nerves now adays. :/

All because of negative view of Muslims in the media.

Yeah but no-one gives a crap when you speak. If I see that stupid green 'demon' picture before reading the text, I instantly disregard what I am just about to read. Simply because it is you.

I dont even have to type anymore. The words are being taken from my mouth lol

Not to be rude, but this is true higbey. Want people to take you seriously? Stop pretending to be some weirdo behind a screen with a weird obsession with squids and being an ass hole on most serious topics, and start being a person that people can look as and say "gee, he gives a crap and what he says means something. Let me actually see what he has to say". Just my view.

On topic. 9/11 is not a holiday. It shouldn't be in the game period.

if your mindset disregards what i say because of my avatar or OC i roleplay as, then i honestly couldnt give a **** about what you think of me anyway.

That is why I disregard what you say

This is sensitive matter to people who actually know about the 9/11. I respect all countries and any sort of religion or culture as long as it doesn't offend any other race or culture, but because Era has a variety of players who were based on different races both young and mature. Others will find 9/11 as if it's a silly event and/or don't even know what it is. (I am not trying offend, this is a fact) They don't have anyone they know who were victims of the 9/11 event.

This is a tragedy and sad time for people who lost their loved ones. While I didn't have anyone I knew who was a victim of the 9/11, losing someone in your family or someone you know is a really tough and sad moment. My brother passed away so I know how it feels to lose a loved one.

I just feel though that people should celebrate/do their own country events outside Graal Era. Graal Era should have events/holidays where at least everyone knows about. Wouldn't you feel a little left out if you saw everyone celebrating/gathering because today is an event you don't even know about and you feel that you can't participate in the group. Yet you can't have your own holiday/event.

It shouldn't be addressed or celebrated, but it needs to be remembered. You don't just forget things like 9/11, besides, "those who fail to know history are doomed to repeat it," or whatever the saying is.

Why is it relevant in Graal?

Then we should also remember the thousands who died in the Hiroshima bombing

It isn't, I'm just saying that we shouldn't forget about it

Of course we should, we should remember all of our departed loved ones, just not in graal

Not sure if 9/11 jokes are funny
Or just "PLANE" wrong.

At least it wasn't as bad as when iClassic made the 9/11 Nexus party LOL

Which is exactly what I was referencing. I had to do so much damage control for that disaster...

Let people bring it up among themselves, Graal staff don't need to make announcements or news to remind people to "remember" 9/11.

so can we get rid of the holiday shop for now plz?

"Coming soon to holiday hat shops near you: Holocaust, Hiroshima, Armenian Genocide, Trail of Tears, Great Depression, Reign of Terror, and many more!" <-Why not do that if you're going to be insensitive about it? Most people would find it wrong and immoral to "celebrate" those events listed. So why in the Hell would someone "celebrate" 9/11 on Graal and give out hats as if it was a great thing? It's terrible they made a hat shop for it. Bad enough noobs would spam about 9/11 in Graal City regardless of a hat shop but to have one is to add fuel to the fire.

That fact how much hatred these kids are showing

That's what I mean. We shouldn't do anything, but remember it and honor the dead. Not in graal, of course. Sorry for the unclarity.

That wasn't funny at all.

I was going to rep you for this but I need to spread it around. I think you basically just summed up why Graal should not be involved in this.

I concur.

You're a horrible person and you should feel horrible. Even if you were joking, that was a terrible thing to say.

sorry, didn't see that post.

I do agree that it shouldn't be there definitley, because if my parent/parents had died in 9/11 I would be highly offended more than that.

Damn really bro? Arent you British?

There's a big, IF but I do know what it is like to lose somone

9/11 should simply never be mentioned again, and the world would be a better place.