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snk 09-08-2012 10:24 PM

pbp changes
 
hi all,

We are testing the PBP with damage as people say it's OP

If this isn't a good solution (i.e. changing the damage) we will be trying something else such as the first bullet will do 7 damage, 2nd bullet will do 3damage, 3rd bullet will do 5 damage and so on

snk 09-08-2012 10:25 PM

which would you prefer? damage reduction or the above ^^

Koolaid 09-08-2012 10:26 PM

For just PBP? I'd say damage reduction, for M3 I guess that would be good.

Motrox 09-08-2012 10:26 PM

I really like the above.

bobo 09-08-2012 10:26 PM

I would change the damage, the other thing sounds weird.

fsh 09-08-2012 10:32 PM

I say neither.

Dude1310 09-08-2012 10:40 PM

Every time you shoot, a bullet should do a random damage (4-8)

Shock 09-08-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Posted by Dude1310 (Post 195037)
Every time you shoot, a bullet should do a random damage (4-8)

Agreed. Thanks for saying it before I did.

As I said in a previous thread, you can tweak the base damage and the random damage, so damage is within a range of numbers, per bullet.

another ISH 09-08-2012 11:27 PM

So i dug 125k for a nerf? Tf.

Gamelova 09-09-2012 12:01 AM

Your going to nerf a gun I spent over 30$ on? x-x

eric 09-09-2012 12:03 AM

ITS OVERPOWERED 2 shots dead, b.a.r is 5 shots u morons!!

Richard 09-09-2012 12:05 AM

Quote:

Posted by another ISH (Post 195059)
So i dug 125k for a nerf? Tf.

And you expected anything different? I knew they were digging themselves in deep when it was released and killed people in 3 hits. Makes you wonder what they were thinking..

Billy 09-09-2012 01:06 AM

YES! GIVE THAT BITCH THE NERF IT DESERVES! And then I'll actually start using it again.

another ISH 09-09-2012 01:23 AM

Quote:

Posted by Richard (Post 195074)

And you expected anything different? I knew they were digging themselves in deep when it was released and killed people in 3 hits. Makes you wonder what they were thinking..

Well i guess. It was fun while it lasted.

XENA* 09-09-2012 01:58 AM

The above. Pbp needs to be good as it is the 2nd most expensive gun in the game... People complain that it is overpowered when they use ap7 or whatever. I agree you could nerf it a little but not to much (in my opinion).

Higbey 09-09-2012 03:29 AM

how about you refund everyone who bought it and test your weapons tons more next time? better yet get someone who knows how to balance weapons and take price out of the equation, you shouldnt get a overpowered weapon because you paid alot for it. thats not a good way to run a game

Whackanerd 09-09-2012 04:01 AM

well i think pbp should be nerfed bar costs like 80 bucks and pbp owns it like ???

DragonRider 09-09-2012 07:12 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 195162)
how about you refund everyone who bought it and test your weapons tons more next time? better yet get someone who knows how to balance weapons and take price out of the equation, you shouldnt get a overpowered weapon because you paid alot for it. thats not a good way to run a game

That's like saying something like a game, take Runescape. Let's say they have all these bugs and the developers fix it, let's say botting. Should the developers have found out this botting bug before? If you say yes, then you're completely stupid. You're asking for more than a human is capable of. They can, however, fix it.

fsh 09-09-2012 07:43 AM

I don't see why people are complaining, I do not own a pbp shotgun and I don't mind it.

snk 09-09-2012 07:44 AM

I like the idea of random damage per bullet, based between 'half of default damage' and 'full damage' (for example, if the PBP was 9 damage per bullet, the random damage would be between '4' and '9' (rounding down silly billys))

you agree?

fsh 09-09-2012 07:45 AM

If this system is added (It probably will be..) would it be for all shotguns?

Olirus 09-09-2012 08:05 AM

Damage reduction by 1 - 2dmg all 4 shots 10 dmg = 5 shot kill
Upgraded 3 dmg all 4 shots 12= 5 shot kill

Reduction of damage even just by 1 will make it underpowered

snk 09-09-2012 08:07 AM

yes

fsh 09-09-2012 08:11 AM

@olirus, spam the gun till you get a good dmg combo?

Olirus 09-09-2012 08:32 AM

I don't understand if that's a insult or are you just telling me somthing?

DragonRider 09-09-2012 09:14 AM

8 damage>7>6 and so forth. I like that, since it prevents all that spam.

Ozzy_Magus 09-09-2012 09:34 AM

Quote:

Posted by snk (Post 195244)
yes

I don't really know what's the dmg of the bullets right now,but as it costs 125k and is not that 'easy' to use,I mean you must be retarted to run into a guy with a pbp,rofl.Its not OP,I don't have it anymore so I can't really test,but what olirus said is true even -1 damage on a bullet would make it underpowered.
Either leave it how it is,or do random damage based on:random.

V. 09-09-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Posted by Dude1310 (Post 195037)
Every time you shoot, a bullet should do a random damage (4-8)


Richard 09-09-2012 10:34 AM

Snk, you do realize this is borderlined unethical?

Not sure but it probably violates Apple's in-app purchase TOC in some shape or form..

You guys should really do your research before unleashing these weapons.

DragonRider 09-09-2012 10:46 AM

OH MY GOD.
YOU PEOPLE ARE ****ING IGNORANT.
READ THE GODDAMN THREAD.
WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A PERFECT GUN RELEASE, EVERY TIME.
NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
THEY NEED TO MODIFY IT TO MAKE IT BALANCED.
SERIOUSLY.
yes, I mad

Richard 09-09-2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider (Post 195299)
OH MY GOD.
YOU PEOPLE ARE ****ING IGNORANT.
READ THE GODDAMN THREAD.
WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A PERFECT GUN RELEASE, EVERY TIME.
NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
THEY NEED TO MODIFY IT TO MAKE IT BALANCED.
SERIOUSLY.
yes, I mad

Uh, yeah it is perfectly possible. Take a look at your favorite first person shooters kiddo. Admittedly I haven't played a FPS since quake 3 but the weapons were perfectly balanced.

I chalk it up to massive disorganization, budget and lack of experience. Once you get out of middle school and past high school you start learning about these kind of things and strategies on howto prevent them. Shoot me a message when and if these ever occur!

NCJohn 09-09-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Posted by Richard (Post 195301)
Uh, yeah it is perfectly possible. Take a look at your favorite first person shooters kiddo. Admittedly I haven't played a FPS since quake 3 but the weapons were perfectly balanced.

I chalk it up to massive disorganization, budget and lack of experience. Once you get out of middle school and past high school you start learning about these kind of things and strategies on howto prevent them. Shoot me a message when and if these ever occur!

You're comparing a multi-platform FPS developed by paid professionals to a simple iPhone app ran and developed by volunteers....

Higbey 09-09-2012 04:07 PM

You don't need money to take the time to properly test everything. Simply making a rent a gun feature for new guns so players could pay for one short trial of using it, you could see if its over powered. The entire era weapon system is flawed and makes it harder to balance weapons anyway.

And dragon rider your analogies are horrible. It is humanly possible to test the weapons and figure out what's overpowered and fix it before releasing it. If you change a weapon all the buyers deserve a refund, as people bought gralat packs with real money and purchased the gun and the gun was nerfed I'd say this violates apples guidelines.

Dude1310 09-09-2012 04:11 PM

Quote:

Posted by snk (Post 195236)
I like the idea of random damage per bullet, based between 'half of default damage' and 'full damage' (for example, if the PBP was 9 damage per bullet, the random damage would be between '4' and '9' (rounding down silly billys))

you agree?

Oh yay! you like my idea, I'm a smart kiddie!

Shock 09-09-2012 06:10 PM

Snk, I'd like to front a gun testing project before you release guns. Invite random players to an off map spot and have a battle royale. I'm not saying you can't do it yourselves, but if you get a sample of the community to test the guns, who arent complete morons, then you can get an idea of strength VS price. Gun balancing won't go away if you don't test out the guns properly. I'm prepared to give feedback from the community in a low profile fashion.

ManBearPig 09-09-2012 06:49 PM

This is what happens when you dont pay much attention to gun details and focus more on candy land updates...

iEra should be more about guns,but then again who am i to tell you this.
Going a little off topic; please change the ACR gfx,use the one from pc,the current one ruined the whole ACR concept :\

iMask 09-09-2012 06:53 PM

Agreed with Shock

Dusty 09-09-2012 07:03 PM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider (Post 195299)
OH MY GOD.
YOU PEOPLE ARE ****ING IGNORANT.
READ THE GODDAMN THREAD.
WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A PERFECT GUN RELEASE, EVERY TIME.
NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
THEY NEED TO MODIFY IT TO MAKE IT BALANCED.
SERIOUSLY.
yes, I mad

The difference is that on Era you're paying money for a specific gun. It's not fair to release a gun and players pay for what it is, only to have it nerfed later. When guns stats change they should provide players with 24 hours to have a full refund.

It's comparable to buying an album and then a few weeks later they remove half of the songs you paid for with no refund.

Billy 09-09-2012 07:06 PM

That's their fault,that's what those a-holes get. No one got pbp until it was op,i used it when it was 8 damage.

BabyGhost 09-09-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Posted by Shock (Post 195415)
Snk, I'd like to front a gun testing project before you release guns. Invite random players to an off map spot and have a battle royale. I'm not saying you can't do it yourselves, but if you get a sample of the community to test the guns, who arent complete morons, then you can get an idea of strength VS price. Gun balancing won't go away if you don't test out the guns properly. I'm prepared to give feedback from the community in a low profile fashion.

Get some good sparrers to test them out as well. Good sparrers know how to use guns.

failure 09-09-2012 07:38 PM

how bout we buff the bar instead? xD

Sly 09-09-2012 07:55 PM

Hi SNK ^-^ I think that was a really good Idea changing the damage of the PBP.but the PBP is exactly like the m3 maybe make the PBP one dmg higher :)

Billy 09-09-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Posted by failure (Post 195474)
how bout we buff the bar instead? xD

BAR is already deadly against every gun besides PBP.

Ventus277 09-10-2012 12:20 AM

I like snakes original formula half each shot so it is easier to manage future shotguns, but if it is easier to add random damage to every shot gun for balancing go for it.

Shock 09-10-2012 01:11 AM

Quote:

Posted by BabyGhost (Post 195463)
Get some good sparrers to test them out as well. Good sparrers know how to use guns.

Agree. Anyway, I'm down with helping out if it'll help.

another ISH 09-10-2012 01:28 AM

Maybe you can keep the damage the same up close but the more the range, the more the damage falls.

CHRISISHII! 09-18-2012 10:49 PM

golden umbrella PLEASE

iCool 09-18-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Posted by CHRISISHII! (Post 200564)
golden umbrella PLEASE

I laughed.

eric 09-18-2012 11:26 PM

I never laughed when you attempted to be mature.

RedBoy786* 09-19-2012 06:35 AM

It was his first post as well lmao


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