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M4rkus 09-04-2012 06:07 PM

Make 1 single spar tournament on classic!
 
I have asked some people on graal and all wanna have a spar tourney!
Just make 1 single spar tourney exactly like GST! Very many graalians are waiting for this. So i would be VERY happy if i could do this :D

Thank you +_-

ZyKo 09-04-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Posted by Markus4445
I have asked some people on graal and all wanna have a spar tourney!
Just make 1 single spar tourney exactly like GST! Very many graalians are waiting for this. So i would be VERY happy if i could do this :D

Thank you +_-

So your basically saying make the GST earlier? No.

Kiwi 09-04-2012 09:24 PM

... You could always have one in your guild house.

Pazx 09-05-2012 05:15 AM

It's worth pointing out that OP would lose first round, or not even get in.

M4rkus 09-05-2012 06:55 AM

i not saying to have gst earlier :0

ZyKo 09-05-2012 08:21 AM

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Posted by Markus4445
i not saying to have gst earlier :0

Your not? "Just make 1 single spar tourney exactly like the GST!" I rest my case.

Pazx 09-05-2012 08:44 AM

Hey ZyKo, you know how there's multiple forms of sparring? Namely guild spar and regular 1v1 sparring, also known as single spar. You done goofed.

Rezon 09-06-2012 10:06 PM

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Posted by ZyKo (Post 193541)
Your not? "Just make 1 single spar tourney exactly like the GST!" I rest my case.

I'm pretty sure that hes referring to the bracket system/rewards/statues.

Johnaudi 09-07-2012 08:59 AM

Great idea, I don't really play Classic, but Era only had one GST which attracted lots of players.

M4rkus 09-07-2012 05:48 PM

hmm zyko never heard about 1vs1 spar? guild spar and 1vs1 spar is not the same
GST=GUILD SPAR TOURNAMENT

Skill 09-08-2012 07:08 AM

I would love a 1v1 spar tourney, but the amount of work it would require to manage it(someone would need to watch every spar to make sure no one hacks or intentionally lags) would be way too high.

M4rkus 09-08-2012 08:15 AM

well... i can do that xD

Pazx 09-08-2012 08:27 AM

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Posted by Markus4445 (Post 194729)
well... i can do that xD

No you can't.

M4rkus 09-08-2012 08:30 AM

ik.. it was just a joke :3
if some admins just letting ca top 64 players on leaderboards i think admins can watch all spars like they do on gst

Pazx 09-08-2012 08:36 AM

It wasn't a good joke.

On topic, I think allowing the highest 100 rated entrants would work fine.

Rezon 09-09-2012 11:59 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 194745)
It wasn't a good joke.

On topic, I think allowing the highest 32 rated entrants would work fine.

FTFY

Pazx 09-10-2012 06:05 AM

or 64 or 128

Maxy 09-10-2012 07:18 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 195747)
or 64 or 128

256

Blueh 09-10-2012 11:53 AM

Anyone who uses the word "noob" frequenty. Especially in their status and to other players.

Pazx 09-10-2012 02:16 PM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 195798)
Anyone who uses the word "noob" frequenty. Especially in their status and to other players.

Wrong thread.

LiA 09-24-2012 06:15 AM

The laggiest player would win.

Thallen 09-24-2012 10:48 AM

I support this 500% and dream of it happening.

Thallen 01-28-2013 04:12 PM

Bumping this again. Should have happened by now.
Make it a single seasonal tournament, mixed, the top 64 overall players on the leaderboards get the chance to participate. If UN did this every month for years (and yes, UN could fill a 64-slot tourney at one point) then iClassic can handle this every 3 months.

Craig 01-30-2013 05:50 PM

UN has may be 80 players online at the same time, and only if it's a good Saturday eenig/night. But iClassic had 2+++ players at the same time when the GST was being hosted, and really, everything started to lag. As Rufus said before, even the Facebook-Players couldn't log in and the Email-Server almost was at it's end.

Thallen 04-09-2013 09:27 AM

Make it happen!!!!!!!!!!

Ryan 04-09-2013 09:55 AM

won't happen.

Ph8 04-11-2013 10:31 PM

Here's how you host a massive 1v1 1024 person spar tournament on iClassic in a reasonable amount of time, using only 8 people to host.

Preliminaries:
1) Have a DB NPC and sign up 1024 players. Once the 1024 players have signed up, allow people to sign up to continue sign up to be potential replacements.

2) You have 8 QuickTourney like levels. If you've never played UN, QuickTourney is essentially a fully automated 16 person spar tourney. It looks like this. http://i49.tinypic.com/jzecmb.png
Have one staff member watching each arena.

3) The DB NPC adds 16 players into each level and starts the game. The admin watches and has some basic commands like /pause box # (disable player weapons in that box) or /restart box # to deal with any situations that come up. They also kick anyone who is too laggy, cheats, refuses to fight, etc. After the QuickTourney round is concluded and a winner has been determined, the DB NPC is notified and it adds that players to a list of winners, then clears the level of anyone except for the supervising admin and adds a new batch of players and begins another round.

The replacements are added in when a player who was supposed to be added wasn't online. As a bonus, the whole thing is seeded. Before everything starts, the system determines the top 64 registered sparrers using the high score list and only adds one of them into each batch of players.

Main Event:
4) After this concludes, you have a list of 64 players. The DB NPC sends this array directly to whatever controls the bracket system on the server and you start up a 64 person tourney. With 8 people hosting, that should go pretty quickly. Would do best 2/3 for every round until final 8. Best 3/5 for final 8.

5) Assuming this tourney was iPhone only, the next day do a mixed tourney with a cap of 512 players only for people who didn't participate in the iPhone only tourney. The 32 person tourney that you're left with should go even faster. Also since you’ve split the tourneys into two days, there should be less lag.

6) Have the winners of each tournament spar in a best out of 9 series to determine the lord of all sparring on iClassic. To make it fair, the facebook winner has to win 6 times in order to be declared the winner (so the iPhone sparrer would only need to win 4 of the nine spars to win.)

GREAT SUCCESS

Zazzi* 04-12-2013 01:45 AM

I don't think classic has the right staff to even keep an eye on the right people.

Thallen 04-12-2013 01:49 AM

Mother of GOD, please do it.

Ryan 04-12-2013 06:35 AM

Ph8 actually made this thread seem good

Pazx 04-12-2013 02:03 PM

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Posted by Ph8 (Post 329253)
To make it fair, the facebook winner has to win 6 times in order to be declared the winner (so the iPhone sparrer would only need to win 4 of the nine spars to win.)

I'm assuming that's because there was fewer people in your hypothetical mixed tourney, rather than because of some "advantage".

Ph8 04-12-2013 09:08 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 329719)
I'm assuming that's because there was fewer people in your hypothetical mixed tourney, rather than because of some "advantage".

There's the official reason, but I think it would just be more interesting this way. Whether or not there's any device advantage, I don't really think their are many (if any) idevice players that would measure up well against the truly elite been-playing-this-game-for-a-decade PC sparrers in any type of series.

Rezon 04-14-2013 07:54 PM

Before this happens, we need a MathRace tournament...

Thallen 04-15-2013 12:51 AM

This will never get enough community support though, because there aren't enough people who are confident on this game and see themselves as having a shot at winning an individual tournament. GST offers a lot more "hope."

kush420swagYOLO 04-24-2013 03:22 AM

This still hasn't happened? I wish they had attempted this before I lost interest in graal.

Thallen 03-28-2014 07:20 AM

biddump

ufoburan 03-28-2014 07:34 AM

I thought they wouldn't do something like that because there would be to many ppl entering it and it would take forever? wait nvm I'm sure there will be some idiotic format to determine the top 64 ranked sparrers so only they get to be in the tournament every single time and nobody else will get to enter and win stuff.

The current GST qualifying requirements are crap and it needs changed to allow more of an open field. There are so many different options that could be utilized to keep it from taking to long of a time to conduct the tournament that would allow for more ppl to be in it. Yet ppl don't want change they wanna watch the same teams compete every single time. I just don't get it. Why can't they just make it into a league or seasons so its more like a sport. That way ANY amount of teams can enter but only the teams with the best win-loss records for that set period can make it into the GST rather than having to have a high enough rating. Maybe it would be to much for them to hire a hand full of ppl to act as ref's to help run a league if need be.

Thallen 03-28-2014 07:52 AM

you greatly exaggerate how difficult it is to qualify for the GST
it's the top 64 teams on the leaderboard for the iDevice side and the top 32 for the Mixed side
that means that even the guild ranked 96th has a chance at entering

which means this team could would potentially be in the iDevice GST if it was tomorrow:
http://puu.sh/7MrUv.jpg

if they did end up doing a singles tournament, it should be the exact same format
the top 64 iDevices and the top 32 iDevices/PCs who opt to enter the mixed side
it makes the most sense, encourages people to spar more actively, etc.

the new singles leaderboard system adds some consistency to rankings and makes it much more difficult to manipulate and cheat your score so that qualification system compliments it pretty well

Oj Fowler 03-30-2014 09:03 PM

I like this idea, thallen hit the nail on the head though, people won't want to waste their time if they have already decided they don't have a hope in hell of winning. I especially like it because I qualify for it with 64 people.

Thallen 05-16-2014 06:19 PM

bump
can we do this yet
signups at desk, 64/32, selects the 64/32 players with the most spar points and creates brackets, etc.
it takes like 6 hours of sparring as a 1:1 player to get into the top 64, maybe 2 hours if you're actually good
seems pretty doable

Demrow 05-16-2014 07:32 PM

1v1 tournament make it happen. If GST can go smoothly, no reason this can't. The fact there hasn't been any real updates to spar games in awhile makes me think they don't really give a ****. Most fun I had on UN was spar tournaments, 2v2 spars, and big 5v5 tag team spars. Decus and Cyril offered up their time and skills to specifically work on spar/guild events on iClassic and Xors ego wouldn't give them a shot. If we want something done like this, we need to rally together and bug him until he makes it happen. You get banned, contact apple. I've talked to a few apple employees about unfair bans and other wrong doings and they have their eye on this game. Real money gets paid by us the players so we shouldn't be ignored.

Crono 05-16-2014 07:38 PM

Just do it?

GOAT 05-16-2014 10:14 PM

Not a fan of 1vs1 but 2vs2 sounds fun.

ufoburan 05-17-2014 07:32 AM

Im all for adding verity to the GST instead of the same thing every quarter. I purposed changing it myself in other threads. The bottom line is exactly what Thallen said it just wont get enough support within the community.

Crono 05-17-2014 11:35 AM

Just do it?

Fulgore 05-30-2014 01:35 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 474674)
Just do it?

I agree, Nike sponsorship would get this idea big publicity.

Anyways this is obviously another good idea, implement plox.


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