Because logs can't be faked..? You both should just drop it, especially you as the "manager" shouldn't start that drama to begin with.

Dig up logs for what, im talking about the reason i got fired and that wasnt it, you're just dropping more bombs on yourself by trying to continue a lie. But I'm gonna take PumaD's advice and just drop this cuz arguing with someone who's full of crap is like talking to a wall and isn't worth my time.

*Adds addition 2weeks due to his holiday*[making it 2months without an update of anything] Cya then.

I like the drama! Don't stop!!!

I wanna see the logs & I wanna hear what Geno says is why other staff were fired for the same reason.

Lets make izone great again
 

I honestly don't care why geno was fired. I didn't fire him. But I'm making sure he stays fired for abuse. Which is a reason. He should have avoided the logs when adding himself stuff and putting up a fake reason for it. Geno keeps attacking me and the work I and the team has been doing for Zone. The levels team is working on tasks. The graphics team too. Silver and fried are working on scripting something. The tileset is being worked on. A special thing is being worked on. And more. I have no reason to just "drop it" cause I wanna respond to every player. I don't care if it's negative or positive feedback. If he thinks I'm **** and I'm ruining the server, I can't change that. But I can at least ask him to give me reasons why he thinks this is happening.

Ooo. I think I'm starting to like Chelt. Fun watching all these drama :D

Sweet. So you feel attacked by someone so you gotta **** your own reputation and act like a 12 years old, immature child throwing a tantrum? Well, that's the Delterian manager style I guess-- Carlito should be proud!!
/sarcasmoff

I didn't tell you to drop it because it's not what everyone would do, even though your (stupid) explanation is reason-able (yet it still is stupid whatsoever), you're the "manager" (mind the "'s, it's there for a reason) of Zone iPhone and not a ****ing scrub. Well, you are a scrub but yea I hope you do get my point.

Lets make izone great again
 

A tantrum really is different :P feel free to read back and see who actually throws a tantrum ^_^

But hey. How about we get back to the actual thread and talk about things people think would "make zone great again"

@chelt I really am trying to drop it because ive clearly explained why exactly i was fired, but youre still trying to push this "abuse" bs across for whatever reason. I was fired for talking back to "da man", its as simple as that, there's literally nothing more to it and you know this because you were there when it happened, so please just cut the crap cuz im tired of arguing about this same thing, idc at this point tho because plenty of others who were also there (since it was in public staff chat) and I know how it went down, and i was done being staff after you and carlito went on a power trip prior to that and removed my Gun Admin position for absolutely no reason when I tried to help yall ungrateful selves out, being fired hasnt meant a single thing to me, its the bs lie on why i got fired thats the issue. But im not gonna discuss it anymore after this post, continue your lie and if anyone comes to me about it, ill refer them to this thread.

Wow everybody's mad at each other, hey graaklik u want some popcorn?

Aight, leggo back to the topic:

How to make Zone great? (this should be the topic name instead, "again" doesn't make sense..)

Drop Chelt.

And Weeno, I believe only 2 parties are mad rite now, or one and a half.

like GIT said in the first post, we need to find a way to get a proper management team, in this case Silver and FR, in charge and progress can easily start from there since everything pretty much has to go thru them and since they would be most qualified they have the best potential to bring good content, fixes, and updates. It all starts from there so thats priority #1

Chelt is doing fine as a manager, so theres no point having him removed and it's not up to graalians users to decide whether or not to remove him either.

He is really nice, but he won't give random people full rights just because they asked for it, they should work for their rights slowly.

silver and friedrice wouldn't likely punish abusers that give friends their items, i also believe they would easily give rights away if the new staffs beg for them.

Didn't you just start zone?

Just saying constantly debating who is the best manger isn't helping the game

FR actually removed rights from people and hardly ever gave rights to someone that they didn't need. Silver's never had the chance to give rights. But what I said is based on actual occurrences, rather than guessing from no where. Besides, Chelt isn't here to make sure staff don't get rights that they don't need. That's never been a problem for a long time. Tashkin made sure of that a while ago. ;)

Eh, but what do I know?

Also, as stated, we have more qualified people due to both of our managers being rather new, why waste time with people who don't understand the game as a whole when we could have people who have time, experience, and knowledge, this is like sending the 3rd string players in a football game out when you need to score asap and having the 1st string benched.

But this whole thread is pointless cuz Unixmad, yknow the guy who owns the game and is losing money by not being that involved in it, probably doesn't even know this site exists

Heck, we've even gotten in direct contact with him, after he asked us to, and after one of the staff members wrote a long msg explaining how things are going and offered good suggestions, didn't even get a response. So aside from poor management, theres what is basically bad business practices

So this game is going to die like player worlds

Elect me, and I shall lead Zone to victory. *Fanfare plays*

Ha ha good joke unless you can build a game ground up

I thought about it tbh, been busy with work tho

Zone has plenty of content already and plenty potential. No one has yet executed it correctly, though. The focus has always been on quantity, but by focusing on that, people have been blind to the potential content that can easily be made by improving the quality of something. *cough* missions.

I mean, I get why Geno would be mad at Chelt, but other people are saying Chelt has failed, before he even has a chance to get anything done. I'm not saying he will succeed, nor am I saying he will fail. I hope for Zone's sake that he succeeds in improving Zone. It all takes time, though. A manager needs to lead, and execute ideas & projects. Obviously it hasn't worked in the past with the staff we had, so trying something new like taking in these staff is a good idea. I don't want to go on some rant against someone else, but people keep saying Silver and FR should be managers. Silver has only had LATA position in leadership, and he did good there. That's all he's been able to prove, though. (That's not saying he shouldn't be able to prove he can lead, because I believe he should). FR, however, has had many leadership positions and has proven that he can't handle it. We need something new for management, and we currently have that. After this temporary period of management is over (and hopefully Zone has been much improved), then we still need someone new for permanent management, and Silver is the best choice for that.

Yeah, quality has been an issue, and a major reason is that tashkin and every manager after him don't really play the game as a full time player and that will cause them to lack the knowledge of the gameplay itself meaning they'll be blind to a lot of possible improvement and fixes, and to really have the knowledge you'll need at least 2 years put in since its a complex game and all components of it have to work with each other, meaning you can't possibly do the job correctly if you don't have an understanding of it. Actually thats not even with just management, any position that will have a direct influence on gameplay need to know this as well (levels for example, like having a levels member make a base yet they themselves don't base or even pk, they would be blind to some things that make a base good or bad). To make something good, you have to know what makes it good, and what makes it bad and if youre lacking the knowledge for either of those, mistakes will be made.

Lets make izone great again
 

Making something good also takes time. And I talk with the whole team about ideas and decisions. And often ask the for input on things. It's not like I'm defining zone myself. And that's why I'm also happy to hear player feedback ^_^

Awwwwww VIP tradeable again :(

Vip was made tradable? Which ones?

Oh wow i just looked, yall screwing up still, the VIP isnt supposed to be tradable, you're messing up so much by doing that, if vip is tradable hardly anyones going to buy it, the items arent gonna be special anymore, and its messing up the games income, i made them non tradable for all these reasons and more, this is exactly what im talking about not knowing what yall are doing. Absolutely ridiculous.

I am on the opposite end of this. I feel like making VIP tradable would actually be beneficial for not only the in game economy but also the income of the game.

It encourages trading amongst players, and gives players even more of a reason to buy it for its trade value. The people that buy VIP are still going to buy it, the people that won't might change their minds because it give VIP more value. Just some things to consider.

You've ruined Alex Damian's vision of a more "competitive" zone.

Wow, who went and changed up the sigil blade? There wasnt any reason for that, no reason to remove its gani and now i can't use it right off my back, why tf do i have to equip it twice to be able to swing?

Which one of you dummys raised the rof on the rippers and rail gun, and other guns for that matter? There was a specific reason i had it set the way it way

I leave this game for two days and its gone to s***

Well, all my "not make the guns op" work is gone now, welcome to the world of ultra spam guns

@shurikan, that makes no sense because it will cause less people to actually buy vip, since some people will get two items for one subscription then just sell the item to someone else, we had a good run with items this year that people were spending on because it wasnt tradable, now people dont even need gralats anymore, just zc, and we need to limit zc use as much as possible, and now theres another major usage for them, now some people wont ever buy vip because they can get it in trades now, i didnt make vip non tradable for no reason, i knew what would happen if it was. I swear every change ive ranted on in the past few posts are all changes i made, which yall idiots changed without understanding why it was done. Yeah yall need to go asap

I wanna know who's decisions these were, this is just beyond ridiculous

Do you play zone? Not trying to attack you, I'm just wondering. The economy sucks on Zone, but the main reason for that is ZC. VIP shouldn't be tradable in my opinion, though. It actually would decrease VIP purchases because people would buy VIP, realize they don't like it, and then sell it to someone else who wants it for ZC or items. Trading should be just collecting simple things. Not getting the rarest, most expensive items. VIP has already been ruined since people could trade old VIP items. Loyalty programs are often used in games, but Zone has completely abolished that. The sad part is that it can never be returned to its original state. It's entirely P2W now. You can join today, get some ZC from missions, and buy what were supposed to be exclusive items from 2012. The entire Zone gameplay focuses on trading, buying, and selling. It's sad. There needs to be a major overhaul in what items are tradable and what aren't - hats included. Sadly, to get these items (especially hats) picked out correctly, you'll have to go through each individually. It would be easy to do that for guns and melees. Items gets a little more tedious, and hats get a lot more tedious. I'm sure this is something that will never happen. Hell, I'd do it if it would actually be implemented and stay down the paths of which items are tradable and which aren't.

@pig, it was a bit too later for vip items prior to 2016 to not be tradable, which i had different plans for, but i specifically made the decision to make 2016- vip non tradable due to the reasons you and i just posted. This is what i was talking about a few posts ago regarding knowledge on what outcomes any change could make, things like this and now the guns are prime examples. And im also pissed someone went behind me and took the aura off the sigil for no reason besides a big FU to me and the other owners, things like this is why i know our staff are crap, making stupid changes that are ruining things cuz they dont know wtf they are doing and focusing on pointless things like removing auras for no reason.

Just when i thought zone's going somewhere... They just have to f*** up the guns and vip items. Quite dissapointing.

P.S would be nice if you could input some stuff the staff have been "working on". we're all getting tired of waiting for those.

Poor zone VIP isn't suppose to be tradable that just decreases its purchase, with the vip pink katana they weren't tradable at the time and they had a lot of people who bought it

The animations on sigil was actually good idk why it was removed it didn't cause lag to anyone

Lets make izone great again
 

I'm not even home. It wasn't even suppose to be released yet. Wtf. Seriously >.< was this month's vip released?

Also for anyone who cares. VIP will still stay untradeable as long as I have the power to say that. Just clarifying that

I'll look into why those things were changed. Or by whom. Don't worry about it yet. Guns are still getting a large overhaul.

^^^ Nope but the pink katanas and arzake (sorry I forgot how to spell it) are tradable now xd

None of yall know how to balance guns so trying to change all them and not knowing why or what it will affect is stupid, which based on the few changes so far is already headed for trouble. Also theres no need to do that, don't just be touching things to make it look like youre actually doing something, especially when you dont know anything about it. If anything, all yall had to do was finish what i had started and got interrupted on and things would be set. And why was the sigil blades effects and ganis turned off, there wasnt any reason for that and yall know that

What happened to those professional artists that zone employed, also, who's currently manager? The position has chopped and changed so many times that it almost feels as if it is a game of hot potato.

For the tileset? The one Tashkin had was stopped. There's supposed to be a new one now.

Chelt is the manager right now.

Yeah, with the new one, I thought that was close to being done a few months back? Is there any actual progress being made on the server right now or is everything on hold? I mean, I remember reading that there were tons of updates planned for the future a while back and since then nothing has really happened. Is it due to lack of staff or wat.

To be honest. VIPs shouldn't be traceable but since I doubt nobody will make a new planet for the VIP island only the azurake should be tradeable. Oh and maybe the arbitar since it was pretty darn expensive. Actually I would like a refund of the 20k something people bought for the arbitar. I mean there has to be some way we can filter out all of the players with arbitars and give them 20k back.

Whenever it was said that there were "lots of updates planned", the key word was planned. There has always been a lot of ideas that were approved, but nothing ever came of them. There's not a lack of staff, but there is a lack of scripters. No one on the server really has adequate knowledge to do the projects that people want done. Even with Tashkin as manager, scripting was still the biggest problem. The only project that I know of that may still be in the works is a prokect that I believe Alpho is scripting. It's apparently pretty big, but it seems to me that it still should have been finished by now. I wouldn't expect anything big to come out for a while.

Lets make izone great again
 

Alpho stopped working with GraalOnline a few months ago.

And yes like PigParty said. We have projects which only need to be scripted to be released

@Howl the server is not on hold. But we chose to prioritize things that will benefit players over a longer period of this instead of letting them throw money at us with unnecessary holidays right now. I'm pretty sure more players would be happy longer with a new game mode then with a temporary holiday shops. Holidays will still come up but in addition we decided to focus more on international holidays then just purely American ones. Like the memorial day, barely any celebrates it, and therefore it has been cancelled. We wanna bring in more international holidays. Christmas, easter, Chinese new year, and many more.

I'm guessing things like graphics updates aren't a priority right now?

The way it seems to me, is that nothing is a priority right now.

inb4 a global is made manager

An issue ive noticed is that everything has to be "filtered" thru management, which is doing far more harm than good. Like i stated before, NONE of our managers have ever been proficient as a full time player meaning they don't understand everything thats going on in the gameplay. All ideas are ultimately up to them, and if they don't fully understand whats going on, then we can't ever expect to progress because any good chances can easily be messed up by them being clueless about one or many things at a time regarding just ONE single idea. This is why we need someone who plays the game fulltime as the person who overwatches and helps implement things, this "manager" interpretation we have being "the guy who calls all the shots and says what goes and doesnt" needs to stop, its nothing but hindering and limits potential and creativity. When i used to work on zone with alex, i felt like i worked with him and not "for" him, i didnt have very many restrictions on what i could add because he trusted me in the fact that i knew what i was doing, and that allowed me to get to where i had a lot of new content and updates lined up and done and some almost done and were getting released soon but sadly that didnt get to happen because our power tripping managers. But when carlito took over, i got hindered pretty badly because he doesnt accept ideas besides his own, and even tho i was still able to get a lot prepared, there still wouldve been delays in some parts just due to that. This is why i especially don't want carlito and chelt as managers, because we cant progress with people who are new yet are making all the decisions, heck, people on here who have extensive playtime like me, pigparty, platinum and others with 1000's of hours put in would make better managers because they have the credibility and knowledge to back up what their talking about, like Pigparty trades a lot, if he had an idea to make trades better, id know where he'd be coming from with it because he's experienced it first hand for 100's of hours, or if Platinum had an idea for basing, itd be credible because i see her base, but if someone never shot a gun before and wanted to tell me ideas or rants about pking, it wouldnt be worth my time to even listen because they have little to no knowledge of it, and honestly thats one major thing i don't like about our current managers, they dont know crap about the game but come on here like theyre our lord and savior but boss others around, and ideas are added based on what they feel and that feeling comes from their shallow pool of knowledge they have of the game, its a complete waste of everyones time and actually rather insulting. Its crap like this why the whole zone forums is nothing but rants, tashkin just had bad, unplanned ideas in general, alex's term wasnt that bad (overall he just didnt have the time, some ideas were ok, some bad due to his lack of playtime), but now we're at its worse in terms of management, we need a veteran zone player to be the one leading because theyll be able to do the job far better than the previous and current ones because they know whats going on around the game as a player.

wtf

tl;dr

Stop quoting that long msg

when i was staff i asked rice or alex if they needed tileset work done, but someone else was already on it

making holiday things was not really to my liking