All religions are technically cults, just more widespread. Personally I liked the greek and roman gods and myths. Just feels kinda pointless and only causes problems now.

Uh, care to elaborate a bit more on this one? I fail to understand how all religions are technically cults, so any insight would be appreciated here.

All are a group of people believing in a set belief and following a guideline of the group, usually the basis of the beliefs are religious, although not always, basically, all religions qualify as a cult, not all cults are religious.

Ok then, you just took a very broad definition of the word cult. I guess I'll give you credit, since you are technically correct, but the word cult has a very negative connotation attached to it, so I'm assuming you called all religions cults to get some sort of response. So with your broad definition of what a cult is, it is technically safe to call atheism a cult as well.

Well technically humans are all in a cult as well as they all are humans, technically a cult is just a group of similar people, same with community, it's just the connotation of cults are negative creepy mysterious people doing rituals, wearing matching outfits, although when you think about it, eating biscuits and wine to symbolize eating your saviour's flesh and blood...
And the not eating meat from a animal without certain feet... And starving yourself, and praying in a certain direction, and covering your females complete body.... And believing a guy back in the time of the roman empire, came to north America, which wasn't discovered yet, and was inhabitated by indigenous people whose religions and limited records showed none of this....

Hindu has too many gods for me to even satire, and Buddhism.... Eh... I won't go over the lesser known or dead religions, but they have pretty silly stuff too...


At least the cult of cthulhu had more tentacle rape in their armageddon views.

I wasn't supposed to get into this but the philosophical cynical and analytical sides of me drew me in.

I still don't understand why people think this is an argument or a statement. To me, and this is coming from someone that was christian for 14 years, all I hear from this is that you choose to believe in a spiritual entity and connect it to a book because your parents told you to, and made you think that word means something morally right. All faith means to me is a cop out to not wanting to be afraid of your death or the death of others and a statement that you don't want to fully look into the other side of the argument because its far too complicated.

Real. Christianity has been the most hated and attacked religion in history. People are trying to destroy the bible. And the bible is real too. It's been written by many different authors for thousands of years, the prophecys come true everytime. Why would people need more proof than this?

Lol.

Real. You're ****ing stupid.

It's physically impossible to be that stupid, so I'll just assume you're trolling.

Teacher : Students, can you see god?
Students : No...
Teacher : Can you touch God?
Students : No...
Teacher : then god doesn't exist.
one of the students asked.
Student : Teacher, can you see your Brain?
Teacher : No...
Student : Can you touch your Brain?
Teacher : No...
Student : your brain doesn't exist.
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You don't have to see it to believe. If god doesn't exist, so doesn't your brain.

So does santa exist too then

yes, how does your presents appear under your tree heh?

The entire point of science and reason just flew out the window with this post. MRI scans, xrays, all those things are used to see inside the body. Thats how we KNOW THEY ARE THERE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY INSIDE YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. That is what science is about, learning. This post is so full of ignorance that its hard to fathom what is going on in your, well, brain. How does the fact that you cant see your brain, when we have many tools to verify its existence through technology today, translate to the idea of a god existing? That means narnia, star trek, LOTR, flying spagheti monsters, sesimi street, and elvis' seventy armed step cousin have the same probability of existing regardless of how much blind faith you put into them! Are you even thinking? The fact that we can verify things existences with tools and create theories based on real world evidence to further understand the origin of the universe is the entire point of the scientific process! Holy crap!

If you aren't trolling I'm gonna shoot someone.

Also I'm just wondering but I'm pretty sure that quote being acted out in real life is illegal.

?lolwut

Man, I'm trying to be tolerant of other peoples views, but you guys are making it really hard for me. Most hated and attacked? Are you kidding me? Have you heard of the crusades, the holocaust, and the fact that almost every single major world power in the past two millenniums has been a promoter of Christianity including Rome, East Rome (Byzantine Empire), Spain, Great Britain, and the United states? Of course the bible is real. Its tens of books spread out over thousands of years and also passed along through word of mouth for centuries hand picked together by Emperor Charlemagne of Rome. The only prophecy that has come true is only verifiable through the same books that he picked (Jesus being raised from the dead), talk about insecure evidence. Anyone could write something thats connected to something in an older book. Did you ever even realize that? Even so technically it has come true twice now with Mohammed apparently. Please, please please do research before posting.

What I said was an example, wasn't actually the point as is x.x
and no, not trolling heh.

I never force religion on anyone,atheists like to make fun of me telling me "god isn't real,and I'm ignorant." and It kinda messes me up..Thinking what's going to happen when I'm out of this world. Yes the internet is the only thing giving me doubts because of atheists always trying to start debates. Just leave it alone who cares if you don't believe or not.

When I lived in the US for a school year, the people who treated me badly were mainly Protestant Christians.
Jews were very kind to me and other Christians, too.
By the way, I made many close atheist friends there.
I don't understand why some people judge you because of your beliefs and race..

you can see your brain if you split your head open. js


As for my personal beliefs, I belive that there is a god, but I do not belive in religion. Why you may ask? Because religion's, proven throughtout history, like to twist and bend things to their benifits. Christianity preaches peace and love, yet the church sent out those whateveryoucallthem which baisically killed anyone who didn't belive in what they did. I do not think that you should have to be catagorized or that anyone in any religion is 100% that. Another reason I claim no religion is because I don't wish to be a hypocrite as most/all religious people are.

The written text in the bible has flaws so therefor I do not read it nor prase it.
1) Noah's ark. Read the passage. He took 1 of everty animal, male and female as well as his family. That means when everything died in the flood all that was left was noah and his family and the animals. So doesn't that mean that we are all imbreading? And I am sure one of the 10 commandments has something to do with infedelity.
2) In the garden of Eden, Eve said that a snake told her to eat the apple and the snake was the devil. A snake or serpant I am not sure. The problem with this passage is, if th Devil is as strong as the bible makes him out to be, how come you don't hear about animals talking telling you to sin more often? Also, how is it known for sure that that even happened? There are no "writings" from that era, maybe some caveman drawings. Also it is said the apple gave man and woman knowlege. Why the hell were cavemen so dumb then?

I do belive in God simply because of the fact that I belive there are somethings we are just not ready to understand yet. Plus it's that mystery "what's on the other side"/"life after death" talk.

Anyways, that is my view and I belive everyone is entilted to their own.

Many people exploit religion and twist it to fit their own benefits and use for their own agenda.
I interpret the bible allegorically.

Lights out pal.

Fixed for lulz

There's actually a really lulzy response to this, and your posting of it proves you have the intelligence quota of a teaspoon.

As science progresses and people learn more about the world, religion becomes more absurd and shows its bad to bet on the supernatural.

Anyone who is picking God's side is fighting a losing battle. Sorry folks.

Why did you bump this. Threads like these just become perpetually tiring after a while. There's no point, no one "wins".

Don't f***ing bump...

There is not proof. Religeon is based on ones faith. I believe in ways both science and religeon can co exist. I am a Christian and do believe amazing things can happen in our universe that will be forever unexplained by science.
The more I learn about the world and everything in it and wha makes it up the more I believe there is a God. I do not think we are the product of a Big Bang.
I also feel as if humans think they are smarter than they really are. We know what gravity is, the circumstances needed for it to occur and how it works but we still can't explain why gravity is or why objects can have a gravitational pull.
Idk.

You should provide specific examples of science disproving religion.

If anything, the extreme complexity that is being found in things such as cells and atoms makes a God even more and more likely. The only "scientific" evidence I've heard is that it all magically came together. Please provide some evidence against what I'm saying...

Why the **** would you bump this thread and how the **** did you even find this thread? I swear, its only and always the new people.

Who the **** cares?

I feel like you guys should be nicer to the guy. He's clearly interested in these forums so he's willing to dig through threads and read through topics. He provided something productive to the conversation rather than just saying "bump" or something stupid. Perhaps he isn't sure of the rules yet, but is that really his fault?

No reason to be swearing at new people who are joining the community.

Holy bump lol.
But yeah if you want to discuss you should make a new thread.

Humans were told specifically by God to multiply and disperse. For a giant part of early history, humans were allowed to have marriages and children within their families. It wasn't until God told Moses of the ten commandments that this became inappropriate and was banned. I guess by that time people had reached big enough numbers and God wanted people to be pure To answer your question, yes, we are technically imbreeding, but the ten commandments only calls for close family, not your billionth cousin or so that people are marrying today.

An interesting theory of mine is that dinosaurs were wiped out during the flood. I also think that the tectonic plates shifting very quickly may have taken place during the flood; "all the springs of the great deep burst forth" is stated by the Bible, which sounds kind of like the continents breaking lose and drifting. Of course, this isn't supported by scripture, but you know :P

The apple gave mankind the knowledge of good and evil, not knowledge of what you learn in school and such. Before that time the world was blissful and without sin, but once Eve ate the apple she became weary of the evil and was suddenly overridden with sin.

Also, my cat always tells me to sin on a daily basis.

What the effing bump?

haha laughed at that last part.

also ive had this thought many times. There are more religious people than secular in the world. Do atheists really think the majority of the world is stupid for believing in a religion? (rhetorical)("stupid" used loosely)

I wouldn't put it as crudely as that but yes most do believe religion invokes narrow minded thinking and unreason.

I think people are stupid for believing in something that will determine how to live their life, how it goes and whatnot purely on whether or not a 2000 year old book written in the time where the common belief was that the earth was flat, suspended on pillars, and that there was a god for near everything. I think it is stupid for them to settle with "God" as an answer and go no further than that, I think it is stupid that they prosecute ones for not agreeing with their beliefs. I do not think it is stupid to believe in a God, or for that matter Gods, or Godesses. Furthermore I don't care what they believe in as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others who don't share the same ideology, no matter how many do believe it is right because their God says so. Well that went astray rather fast....

My bump is justified because religion is always an interesting thing to discuss and debate about and it seems this board isn't active much anyhow, and making a new thread would be redundant. I am kind of bored so I wanted to start things up again.

I never claimed anything that science has absolutely disproven anything. But I don't get how complexity makes a God even more likely though, because the basis of religion has never been on science.

I think when you say "magically came together" you are just using your own words.

"They say the best trick the devil played on humanity, was to convince the world he didn't exist." I heard that from somewhere, I thought it was an interesting quote. Also, it turns out that religious people tend to live more happier lives than non religious people do. Not that non religious people aren't happy, but since most religions teach a value system that encourage helping one another and kindness to all, they tend to feel more accomplished and self rewarded with their deeds.

@Raven

By more likely, I think he means probability wise. Things usually just don't happen because "they happen". There's almost always a reason for it. Computers don't just fall out of the sky made out of all the iron, copper and all those ores from astroroids colliding together so many times to form a working computer. The more likely scenario would be that somebody created the computer and for some reason dropped it from the sky, rather self creation.

I think the most plausible scenario if there'd be a God is that God would've just simply set everything in motion a.k.a the big bang, but that itself is barely what makes religion influence people.

i'd sooner believe in the greek gods then the "real god"

There's no need to prove gods existence.
Religions are based on believing and it really shouldn't bother any cocky atheist like OP, if some people gain strength from believing in god.

This thread was made because a God can't be proven, in other words he is being an asshole.

I encourage you to reread what you just said.

has anyone realized how old this thread is?

Yes.

This is still amusing.